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No. Hard Pass. Jun 20, 2006 12:39 AM

Just as a further note on my last post, I'm going to toss this up. I imagine no one cares, but hey, for the sake of completion:

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Sacred and profane
Commentary
by Lucas M. McWilliams
the Carillon

The usage of “cunt”
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There are few words that garner the sort of ire that cunt does. As an insult, it is second to none. It has come to signify the basest of insults that can be hurled around a room, and is absolutely venomous when snarled properly. It is, however, just a word. And like all words, it has undergone radical changes since its initial foray into the lexicon, and will continue to shift in future. I’m not about to go into the etymology of the word, as it is both highly contested and incredibly broad. (There is, however, a wonderful history available at http://www.matthewhunt.com/cunt/etymology.html that manages to encompass the main theories while offering a historical context.)

The word was not always as profane as it is now; long before it was a taboo, it was used in medical journals and existed in the common vocabulary of English speakers. So, when did this liberal use of cunt become so maligned? Around the same time we began saying “white meat” instead of “breast meat.” This switch from the sacred to the profane came with the rise of Puritanism and has stayed strong ever since. Although words like fuck and prick have become much less grotesque over the years, cunt has managed to hold its sway over us.

It is this enduring ability to be offensive that makes the c-bomb so intriguing. With the re-appropriation of words like wog and queer we have seen how hateful words can be taken from the domain of the abusers and become empowering for the abused, and cunt is not far behind. As comedian Lenny Bruce said, “the word’s suppression gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness.” There is also a large movement that agrees with him. Within the domain of the so-called “cunt-power” movement, there have emerged many strong voices decrying the defamation of the word, such as “Cuntfest” at Penn. State and the “Cunt Club” at Wesleyan University.

Many people credit the modern student movement of Megan Goudy and Ashley Newton for the modern swing of taking cunt from the profane to the sacred, as their paper released in 2004, spoke of how the history of the word had become largely forgotten and that “by recognizing and reclaiming the etymological connotation of the word ‘cunt,’ women can take back part of the language that keeps them in their socially determined subordinate position.” Though this position is nothing new, it does bring one point to light that should definitely be stressed. Cunt is a word. It is not but letters arranged in a left-to-right fashion and nothing more. The meaning is entirely what you make of it, and by hiding it in a corner and shuddering whenever it is pulled to light you empower it.

Language is an ever-changing thing, and we all have the ability to prescribe our own meanings to it. I am not saying that you should not be offended if someone calls you a “raving cunt,” but be offended by the hate behind it, not the word itself. The word is nothing. At least Shakespeare got that right.

DarkLink2135 Jun 20, 2006 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kat
Don't fucking patronize me, especially since you're the bigot in this scenario.

Why, because I have a bunch of fucking idiots who can't realize that when I say that the current emphasis on subject A isn't called for, I don't mean that we shouldn't learn about it at all?

Because I'm realistic enough to realize that men played a larger role in history in women? That isn't being a bigot, that's admitting to the truth, and not being a bitch because I'm pissed about how little women are mentioned in a stupid textbook.

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And I'm really amazed you still remember the layout of your history book from 3 years ago that woman's suffrage was in a box off to the top right side on page 392.
Way to take what I say out of fucking context. That seems to be the rule of thumb on this forum.

if (braincellcount < 100 )
makeupbullshit(rand(5));
if (braincellcount < 200 )
putwordsinmouth(rand(5));

It isn't that difficult to remember that I learned a fair bit about women's suffrage.

DarkLink2135 Jun 20, 2006 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by a lurker
You did say it. I posted a link previously in regards to that. If that's not what you meant, perhaps you shouldn't have used car worship as an example of differences between hispanics and white folks. I mean, is it that difficult to say what you mean?

Maybe you shouldn't try to pull a bunch of bullshit out of people's posts that was never there in the first place.

Why the fuck is everything black and white with you? If one culture worships cars, the other CAN'T. Saying something shouldn't have AS MUCH importance means I'm saying that it shouldn't be taught at all.

My point was the hispanic culture in general takes much better care of their cars, and puts a lot more money into them than white people do. Notice the key word "in general" there. There's obvious exceptions to every rule.

Sarag Jun 20, 2006 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135
Why, because I have a bunch of fucking idiots who can't realize that when I say that the current emphasis on subject A isn't called for, I don't mean that we shouldn't learn about it at all?

It means you think we should learn less of it, and more (I guess) of your favourite European countries and dudes. Do you honestly think you're convincing anyone of anything other than your inability to read context? Look, that is a trait most folks have; if you don't, I guess you can't help it, but that doesn't mean you ought to be dictating curricula when you barely know the history yourself.

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I bet there's a lot of hispanics in this car.

No. Hard Pass. Jun 20, 2006 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135
Maybe you shouldn't try to pull a bunch of bullshit out of people's posts that was never there in the first place.

Why the fuck is everything black and white with you? If one culture worships cars, the other CAN'T. Saying something shouldn't have AS MUCH importance means I'm saying that it shouldn't be taught at all.

My point was the hispanic culture in general takes much better care of their cars, and puts a lot more money into them than white people do. Notice the key word "in general" there. There's obvious exceptions to every rule.

I have a Dodge Stealth and a 99 Benz that would argue with your statment. I think that mexican culture puts emphasis on a different kind of car usage. It's comparing apples and oranges and expecting to classify them as pomegranates. Blanket statements are as bad as polarizing everything into two categories.

Magi Jun 20, 2006 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135
My point was the hispanic culture in general takes much better care of their cars, and puts a lot more money into them than white people do.

How is that a cultural thing? I thought some people just take good care of thier cars. Especially when you live in the south west that you have to drive everywhere.

DarkLink2135 Jun 20, 2006 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Devo
So instead of explaining yourself better you're going to assume we're the inept ones (despite more than 3 people telling you different). Could you try trolling harder, I didn't the message.

I've explained myself as much as I would need to to anyone of normal intelligence. You are just too fucking stupid to understand what I've been saying, despite me repeating it numerous times over the past hour, very clearly. All you care about is latching on to a single sentence that I post, trying to make it look like THAT is my primary emphasis, and PMSing all over it.


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The point isn't how much one sex did more than the other. The point is realizing just how much women have been ignored within history and by the history writers.
Which I've already said and agreed to. Way to completely turn my words around in a different direction.

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When several people are on your case about your wording and attitude, you think it could possibly be something needs changing on your end?
When I realize that people aren't getting what I'm saying, I KNOW it isn't something that needs changing on my end. I'm sick and tired of you and others putting words in my mouth, bringing in random subjects, turning my words around in another direction, etc. Who knows, maybe I do need to be more clear. Reading back over it, it doesn't seem to be too hard to comprehend.

Sarag Jun 20, 2006 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135
Why the fuck is everything black and white with you? If one culture worships cars, the other CAN'T.

You used it as an example of the differences between those two races, though. One can only assume that if you feel hispanics worship cars, then whites do not, or to not nearly a severe degree; if you did not feel this way you would not have said it.

Am I explaining contextual clues to you.

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My point was the hispanic culture in general takes much better care of their cars, and puts a lot more money into them than white people do.
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Sarag Jun 20, 2006 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135
All you care about is latching on to a single sentence that I post, trying to make it look like THAT is my primary emphasis, and PMSing all over it.

If you would stop repeating the same thing over and over ("The empathesis of this minority group in history class is way over-represented, I feel that we should learn more about the whites because they had the biggest impact on America") maybe we would too. But since that's your only point, well.

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When I realize that people aren't getting what I'm saying, I KNOW it isn't something that needs changing on my end.

Are you Simply Majestic. Serious question.

DarkLink2135 Jun 20, 2006 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by a lurker
It means you think we should learn less of it, and more (I guess) of your favourite European countries and dudes. Do you honestly think you're convincing anyone of anything other than your inability to read context? Look, that is a trait most folks have; if you don't, I guess you can't help it, but that doesn't mean you ought to be dictating curricula when you barely know the history yourself.


Goddamit you are a fucking retard.

Why is so hard for you to realize that there is no point in spending an insanely large amount of time learning about the entire history of the slave trade in an AMERICAN HISTORY COURSE, which includes hundreds of other subjects.

I am NOT saying people should learn less of it, I am NOT saying people should learn more of Europeans, race has NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH THIS.

Relevance to American History is what is important. Slave trade is a big part of American History. But not such a big part that we need to start learning the entire history of West Africa instead of other, more relevant parts of American History.

Sarag Jun 20, 2006 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairyFeet
To believe the corporate entity who dealt in slaves 100 years ago is just as evil now that the slave owner's grandchildren work there would be a ridiculous assumption.

I didn't say that, I said that there are still entites around that benefited directly from slavery.

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135
Why is so hard for you to realize that there is no point in spending an insanely large amount of time learning about the entire history of the slave trade in an AMERICAN HISTORY COURSE, which includes hundreds of other subjects.

I am NOT saying people should learn less of it, I am NOT saying people should learn more of Europeans, race has NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH THIS.

So you feel the amount of time spent learning about slavery in America is unjustified (a week is unjustified? Two weeks?) but you don't think the amount of time should be lessened any.

Well then.

DarkLink2135 Jun 20, 2006 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by a lurker
If you would stop repeating the same thing over and over ("The empathesis of this minority group in history class is way over-represented, I feel that we should learn more about the whites because they had the biggest impact on America") maybe we would too. But since that's your only point, well.

How about you stop putting lies in my mouth directly contradicting that exact point, so I don't have to repeat myself to some fucking braindead prick who can't seem to grasp a very simple concept ->

"The emphasis of this minority group in history class is over-represented, I feel that we should learn more about European immigrants because they had a bigger impact on American society & politics."

Fixed.

Sarag Jun 20, 2006 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135
Relevance to American History is what is important. Slave trade is a big part of American History. But not such a big part that we need to start learning the entire history of West Africa instead of other, more relevant parts of American History.

Such as the crusades and the King James' book.

Sarag Jun 20, 2006 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135
How about you stop putting lies in my mouth directly contradicting that exact point, so I don't have to repeat myself to some fucking braindead prick who can't seem to grasp a very simple concept ->

"The emphasis of this minority group in history class is over-represented, I feel that we should learn more about European immigrants because they had a bigger impact on American society & politics."

Fixed.

Hmm.... no, that's exactly what we got from what you said. No lies there sir.

DarkLink2135 Jun 20, 2006 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by a lurker
So you feel the amount of time spent learning about slavery in America is unjustified (a week is unjustified? Two weeks?) but you don't think the amount of time should be lessened any.

Well then.

Time != Content.

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Such as the crusades and the King James' book.
There you go again. I never SAID this, nor do I think we should learn about this in AMERICAN HISTORY. No wonder you don't fucking understand a word of what I'm saying, you are to hung up on some apparant misconception of white superiority in what I've been saying.

Realizing that European immigrants played a larger role in the forming of American society isn't white superiority, its the fucking truth.

daguuy Jun 20, 2006 12:59 AM

i'm not gonna do much arguuing or flaming, but here's my scoop on racism.

since yall seem to think history has everything to do with modern racism, so here's what's up with blacks and whites in history and why whites rightly get more attention:

-whites moved from white europe to a big chunk of land known today as the U.S.

-more whites moved over here from europe and helped build the US

-white king george taxed the white colonies so they had the whites vs. whites revolutionary war.

-white thomas jefferson and his white buddies founded the US.

-later on, the white spanish brought over blacks from africa

-the blacks were enslaved and the whites from the north didn't like that so they had the whites vs. whites civil war (union vs. white confederates)

-black martian luther king did his stuff

-US got in a war with japanese and white germans and white italians

-US got in a power struggle with white russions

-all that communism stuff happened with US vs. orientals (not africans)

so you can plainly see why whites get more attention than blacks in history; they were simply more involved.

And on a more practical note, blacks have a higher crime rate than whites. that's a plain a simple fact. nobody is enslaving them or any of that BS so they have no valid excuse for their crime rate. i'm not saying all blacks are criminls (far from it), but some of them (enough to give their race a generally bad reputation) do abuse their rough history just to try to get what they want instead of actually working for it.

Sarag Jun 20, 2006 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairyFeet
So what's the point?

It's really more of a contextual thing. A Just Sayin' sort of thing. Why?

DarkLink2135 Jun 20, 2006 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by a lurker
Hmm.... no, that's exactly what we got from what you said. No lies there sir.

No, you & others have been REPEATEDLY stating my opinions as though I think we shouldn't learn jack shit about Black history.

Sarag Jun 20, 2006 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135
No, you & others have been REPEATEDLY stating my opinions as though I think we shouldn't learn jack shit about Black history.

Well, okay, I'll grant that you probably want children to learn an amount less than zero about blacks, but you want them to learn less than they're learning now and right now that's not a whole hell of a lot.

I'm saying that you base your arguments on ignorance of very simple things, and somehow feel qualified to keep going about it.

http://www.sauder.com/images/site/misc/intro_garage.gif

This man does not care about the quality of his car.


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