However he wants to define culture is fine by me. That's a non-issue. The original point still stands. There are added stressors with interracial marriages. Then on top of that you have the general public not being very accepting of interracial marriage. All I'm saying is that for people in those sorts of relationships, just realize that conflicts are going to arise as a result of those stressors.

But I don't know, maybe you live in some sort of amazing utopia where everything just works out great.

Melanesian/Caucasions are probably the most attractive people on the planet. Fuck off and die.

After the 1950s, when gay was discovered. Are you really this stupid?

You still haven't told me what cultural differences are between black and white people in your neighbourhood.

Here are some differences between black people and white people in my area:

- Black people go to church on Sundays and Wednesdays and stay there for a loooong time. White people stay at church for two hours, and that includes sunday school.

- Black people eat different types of food. They favor fattier, less healthy foods than white people. They even cook their vegetables with a lot more unhealthy stuff like bacon grease. It's tasty as hell, but this would explain the reason why there's a lot more heart disease among blacks.

- Black people place a lot of emphasis on their cars. Around my area, affluent blacks are a rarity. It's also quite rare that a black family will live outside a certain area of town (probably because of financial restrictions). Hence, in my town, there's a community called "Springfield" where most of the black folks live. You can rest assured that outside every shanty of a house there is a Mercedes or a Hummer or a huge Cadillac or a BMW. Also, they keep their cars cleaner.

- Black people (as a general rule) do not tip very well and will run your ass into the ground asking for stuff. I worked as a server for several years and I promise you that no one wanted to wait on them. Black women in particular are extremely demanding and tend to look at you as if you have shit on your face. I used to bend over backward to prove to my co-workers that this was not a cultural difference (because this was when I was younger and not so jaded and cynical about people),and that they tipped differently because they were TREATED differently, but I finally gave up trying. Even the black servers didn't want to wait on black people.

- White people are not as interested in sports as a group as black people...again, in my area. The black people here are ALL ABOUT sports of any kind.

- White people are always in a rush to get somewhere. They're always zipping around from place to place. Black people know how to chill. I drive through that Springfield area I mentioned earlier every day and I always see them sitting outside on their porches at night and walking over to their neighbors' houses. I never see white people doing that...well, except for old white people.

- Black people walk if they don't have far to go. I always see them walking down the road. White people will get in their cars and drive down to the mailbox to avoid having to walk anywhere.

There are more, but I think this is enough to illustrate my point. I already hold the title of Racist Queen around here, so I figured I might as well call it like I see it.

Thankyou AlicenWonderland. I didn't realize something like this required explaining to GRUN.

I'll add couple bits about Mexicans, at least in my area.

Mexicans are literally all about their cars. They will pimp out their ride and let their home rot into the ground. These cars aren't necessarily nice cars, they'll pimp out anything, even a Honda Civic.

Mexicans like to pack the entire family (the entire EXTENDED family) into a tiny little vehicle. The same one I mentioned above.

Mexicans in general just have waaaay more respect for their families than white people do. I mean its at a level approaching how much the Japanese respect their families.

Mexicans do NOT use checks, credit cards, or anything other than cash. I think this has something to do with a mistrust of banks, which for quite some time were very untrustworthy in Mexico. I'm not sure if its still like that or not, but I know this actually stems from an understandable source. They carry around wads of $100 bills because they cash their entire paycheck and don't deposit anything into a savings account. Then they pay you with this money @ 8:00am when the store opens for a $15 package of huggies or whatever and completely drain your change drawer :p.

Mexicans are a lot more loyal with the friends they have. White people will go and backstab their friends, then just write it off as a joke. The other person eventually just gets over it, and they are back to being friends forever. Mexicans on the other hand would rather be caught dead than saying anything bad about their friends, backstabbing, whatever. They are just a lot more respectful people in general - for friends & family. They can be pretty cruel to anyone else :).

Hi. You weren't who I was talking to.

The things you mentioned are hella stereotypical, but more importantly, are pretty superficial. Maybe you weren't paying attention to the thread before my last post. I know it's hard to read past my stunning display of wisdom, but there's a lot that you missed! Therefore, thanks for everything, but the topic isn't "black people walk this way while white people walk this way" but "black people have different culture that makes marrying them something you should be CAREFUL about". Your post boils down to foods and sports.

And, well, I didn't want to say anything but since you brought it up, you hate New Orleans and little baby inuits.

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It must be nice where you usually chat, when you can say stupid things and not expect to back them up.

Your list boils down to thick wallets. The only thing from either of the posts I see affecting a relationship is this spic loyalty you speak of. So, uh, that's one. Got anything more that would make newlyweds cautious about their cultural differences?

Also, um, you guys realize that white people are huge enormous fags about cars too, right? Or have you never heard of H2s and convertibles. Jesus christ. Although you're both right in a way - nigs and spics like cars! - there is also the fact that America is very big on cars, almost like it's part of the culture or something.

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This gets fucking funnier the more I think about it. Fucking cars. Do you forget that there's some states built up around the automotive industry? Did you guys forget that that industry basically destroyed our economy back last century? The midlife-crisis convertible? The penis-compensating trucks? Maybe you don't know - this is part of the culture around here, and I hear more white people say it than black people but that's because I have no black friends - but "if you don't buy from [whichever of the big three you work for], you deserve to be downsized" is actual rationale that people actually spout in real-world situations.

Did you forget how many white boys have their senior pictures taken with their car? The sweet sixteen birthday car rich daddies buy their little girls?

JESUS

Fucking car worship as a cultural difference you illiterate niggers.

Since when do I need a personal invitation to speak? I didn't realize this was a private conversation between the two of you. If it is, maybe you should take your conversation into AIM. You asked about cultural differences and I gave you examples.

I can think of many, many more, but I figured that was enough to get my point across. And did I ever say any of the differences were earth-shattering? They don't have to be major differences to be differences. But get enough minor conflicts in your relationship and stand back and watch in amazement at how much havoc they wreak.

My original point in this thread was to say that I don't personally think anything is wrong with interracial couples, and I stand by that. But don't pretend that there aren't cultural differences between people of different races, because that's just silly.

That's true, which is why I probably would not marry or seriously date someone from another country. I don't care what color their skin is.

Wow, you know, since google results are just the final factual basis for everything, I'm totally speechless. I'm not even sure how those could possibly even be considered relevant. You ever heard of the phrase "Correlation does not imply causation?" If you haven't, don't worry about it, because it doesn't really apply here. What applies here I think is "Dumbfuck statisitics mean shit."

In recap:
EDIT -> You have a pretty narrow view of personality if all you can see relating to that aspect of culture in what me & alice posted was Mexican loyalty. Maybe what all this just boils down to is your own bigoted racism.

And what was your point, that black people walk this way and white people walk this way? We've seen Chris Rock, we already know that. No one cares if you want to open your maw somewhere, but we're really just talking about how cultural differences between races in the same location can hinder a relationship. I don't know how c-walking will do this, but then again, I don't hate New Orleans or baby inuits.

See SCHNEE-5 and Yamamanama for further details. The differences are so minute, unless if you live in a pretty segregated community or something, which I guess you would. :(

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I'm sorry I melted your mind.

Wait, I'm lying.

fucking CAR WORSHIP as something whites don't participate in in America

I mean jesus

Bush The Untouchable's popularity ratings only started going down when gas prices started going up at the pump, must be a lot of irate blackicans out there :bobofrowny:

oh, now I get it

that's why the illegal immigrants are being rounded up now

Alice, I'm curious, how many black people have you honest to god became very close with outside of the internet as the only communication medium? Not in a sexual way either, but in a way that far exceeds casual acquaintanceship?

So many exciting things Alice has just absolutely sworn off doing. I'd take niki over, say, Minion anyday, but maybe that's just me. =p

A Luker:

From AliceNWondrland's post he stated this was in regards to his area. You're basically trying to give an argument on existence when there may not even be an individual in his area that doesn't satisfy his criteria above. I'm not saying that the chances of him being correct are 100%, but you cannot say that he is stereotyping in regards to his area if you do not live there. If his remarks were relative to the whole African American and Caucasian race, then I would certainly believe you since his criteria has been disproven many of times. To imply, however, that its a true fact for every sample of the african american and white population is something that I don't think many of people would find convincing.

As far as interracial dating goes,

If two human beings from a particular race can reproduce offspring, then nature tells us that nothing is wrong with it for anyone. However, human culture is another story and many families of many cultures are not fond of interracial dating.

I personally date women of all races. Human is human, and that is the bottomline for me.

Do you reckon the whites in his area don't fellate cars?

http://www.blackstonelimo.com/images/h2/tunnelh2.jpg

What's wrong with saying "I don't think either of you are entirely right, but neither of you are entirely wrong either"? Not intellectual enough?

also: alice is a dude

On topic, I have no problem with interracial couples. Despite from some of the difficulties that may arise culturally with the family, I think there are many positive attributes to interracial dating.

I am in an interracial relationship. I am caucasian, and my girlfriend is Korean. I love her more than I can say, but the two of us are having a hard time because her parents are not happy with the idea of her dating me. She says they like me, just not the fact that I am white and that they see problems for us down the road and would rather us end it now rather than facing problems later. (I have met them by-the-way) Unfortunately, they are very traditional and do not put much weight in her decisions, they feel that they should make the decision for her.

Because we are a great distance from each other for the summer, and the fact that it is very difficult for us to communicate, our relationship is stressed right now, especially for her. She has a difficult time because she is trapped at home with her born-in-Korea parents jamming their views down her throat.

I would say our relationship is great when we are alone, and we both love each other, but the external pressure her family puts on her really stresses our relationship when they are involved. I am trying my best to help her make it through this, because I really don't want to lose her. But despite these problems, I think interracial dating is just fine, and I have learned alot about Korean culture from her. I am learning the language as well. : )

See, this is bullshit. A lot of people seem to be comfortable saying that there will be un-named problems due to cultural/racial differences, but how many are willing to actually list these?

"There are or will be problems due to cultural differences."
"Oh, well, what are they so that we can plan for and face these issues?"
"Can't tell you. Just trust me, BIG problems."

Oh, except for the already listed desire for fried chicken and cars. I mean, who wouldn't see irreconcilable differences in how to eat chicken? :rolleyes:

That has more to do with her families country of origin than her race. Many countries frown upon dating/marriage outside of their own kind (particularly the older generations). The Finnish for example want their children (at least the families I have met) to marry another Finnish person, it is looked down upon to marry outside of their little white gene pool. The people of Iraq are another example of this, interracial marriage is almost unheard of there. If you go to any country were there are very few minorities this will more than likely be the case.

However this is America, one big melting pot. If you feel that you can't be with someone because their "culture" is different than yours I suggest that you expect to be alone for a long fucking time. There are cultural difference just between the different states, (i.e. down south, up north, east coast, west coast). If this shit bothers you then you go back to marrying your cousins.

You've never met a true Italian, have you?

This thread is extremely interesting to me because nearly every single person posting to it is one hundred percent supportive of interracial relationships, but my entire town (everyone within a five mile radius, about) is passionately opposed to it. My neighborhood is completely white. The surrounding area, however, is Queens, New York, and you don't really find more of a mixture of races and cultures anywhere else.

I am personally not opposed to interracial couples. Three years ago, when it was much less common, I might have stared for a minute, but nowadays they're so commonplace that it doesn't phase me at all. I was, however, raised in a very narrow-minded white neighborhood. in a tight-knit family with old-fashioned values - purity being a very important one. In short, if I ever fell in love with someone who wasn't white, my father and grandfather probably wouldn't show up to the wedding. Because of the repercussion I'd suffer with the family, and the value I've come to place on cultural integrity (in my case, Italian) in America, I cannot see myself, personally, in a relationship with someone from another race, but I have no problem with people who can. Kudos to them for jumping over the social barriers and finding happiness.

It's amazing how the other Italians think they are Italian, with or without your respect.

3 years? I find it pretty interesting that New York has only recently seen an increase in such relationships. It's been common as dirt in my nearest city for a very long time. Are you sure it's not just that you are seeing more of the world, or at least noticing things more for what they are rather then the stories you were fed from a racist upbringing?

Coming from a traditional southern black family, my background is very old school and this bothers me somewhat considering I'm something of the odd man out among family members. So things that were once considered taboo by them I dont really blink an eye at. A good example of this:

just the other day my mother called me a week or so ago and said on the phone something to the effect "Did you know that your cousin was pregnant by some white man that she's been dating who works in a grocery store?" the tone of voice when she asked this question was something of awkward revolt, shock, and morbid curiosity as if the girl had just had sex with a string of men all at once and suddenly became pregnant with a cluster of mixed babies.

i casually replied that it didnt shock me as both her and her sister have always had the hots for white guys since high school. So i just shrugged it off. this simply garnered a response of "oh" and the conversation ended there.

I dont really have any qualms at all about dating outside my race. Its my family's views that ultimately would turn it into a 3 ring circus though which is actually somewhat depressing. :(

The estimate of three years was inaccurate, please pardon my poor perception of time. I went to a high school of which the population was around 20% white, and I've had plenty of exposure.

There's a difference between "racist" and "not seeking an interracial relationship." If I were racist, my best friends wouldn't be Indian and Japanese. Which they are. True, I was brought up in a household/town where interracial marriage is strongly discouraged, but compared to the people I was raised around, I am pretty open-minded. When you grow up in such a strict environment, though, it takes a while for your values to change, and I've made some progress in the past few years. Five years from now I might be eating my words and dating somebody of a different race, regardless of what my family thinks. But this is where I stand right now. I currently like my family enough to stick to white guys.

As far as purity is concerned, I think I put out the wrong idea on why/how much I care about it. A) I don't have anything against people of mixed races, and B) I don't mean to say "if you're not white then you're no good." If I sounded that way, I apologize. All I was trying to say was that if your family has maintained a pure lineage since coming to America, no matter where you came from - be it Japan, India, Africa, Mexico, etc. - then go you. That's cool just because it's so rare in this country nowadays. It's not so much a value, like I misphrased it, but rather, a simple feature that would be fun to keep if you could.

Now to sum up. I am not against interracial relationships. I am not racist. I just know it would be very hard to make one work out in my personal life, because of all the problems it would cause later.

Out of curiousity, are you equating "true" Italian with being involved in the mob?

Never said you were racist. Just that you come from a racist upbringing. The views you expressed I took to be those of your neighbourhood/family.

Indeed there is. Just as there is a difference between discouraging a thing, not choosing to partake in said thing. If your neighbourhood discourages it, that is racist.

You also bring up the 'white' race issue again. I mean, Italians can be quite different than say, Germans, etc. Would your neighbourhood take issue with these relationships, or only those where it is a non-white involved? What about dark skinned Italians with light skinned Italians?

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What has she ever done to warrant such disrespect?

Ha. No.

Well, that's definitely the attitude of the neighborhood in general. They can be pretty disgusting.

They pretty much draw the line at non-white.