That's no reason to kill a man*.

*Not saying Hussein didn't deserve to die.

I dunno, it just seems to me he feels ok with dying. What harm would it be to anyone if he was just kept in a cell 24/7 for the rest of his days. I know I'd rather be dead than that.

According to Wikipedia, he actually had been executed. But that's Wikipedia. You never know.

Edit: Whoa. I didn't realize this page filled up so fast. Ignore this post.

Edit again: In fact, I think I just was stuck on page number four...

Like I said, do you think he should be un-punished for his crimes? Free? He deserves to be punished for what he has done, and I can think of no better punishment than a social exhile from everything.

That's your point of view, to think what I am saying is torture. My point is death is not the answer to anything, and it won't bring back anyone, and it won't solve anything. Do you think his death will make the insurgents go "You know what, they're right...lets bring out our white flags and surrender." No, you kill one saddam, ten more show up. It's a cycle of violence and pain, that will never end, unless someone acts big and ends it. That 'someone' being them or us [The West]. And like i've said, being exhiled from society is something that would be good for everyone. He would be punished for his actions, and basically...thinking about what he did, until he dies naturally. Kinda like permanent Time Out if you will.





Because I don't believe that death is justice, but more like a archaic form of personal vengance on a subminal level. You gain nothing by killing another life. And if you're a christian...holy shit, you commited one of the top ten sins, no matter how much your actions were sincere and 'good for the rest of the world'. I'm not as christian as I used to be, but I think some of those ten laws [the big one being 'thou shall not kill'] should be something the west should embrace.


Random question...are you a righty? *smirk*

News sorces over here have pritty much marked the time of exicution as 6am local time, wether that meens GMT or whatever Iraq uses isn't exactly clear , as is stanard for the Beep.

Or in the Mosaic Law... Which condemned people to death for things like murder, rape, etc... So that "Thou shall not kill" thing doesn't work. Whatever the case, people, don't try to pull out Bible verses out of context and expect them to fly very far.

That's that bullshit.

Whether you lock Saddam away for the rest of his life or kill him, the end result is the same. Might as well go with the speedy execution and be done with him. We're dealing with the kind of people who don't react well to 'someone acting big and ending it.' They only respect overwhelming strength.

On the contrary, death is the ultimate justice. You lose your life, which you can never regain. And "Thou Shalt Not Kill", if you look at the proper context, is actually 'Thou Shalt Not Murder." And yes, there is a difference.

I'm not going to get into a big argument about this here, but show me how Capital Punishment is not really just a long, drawn out premeditated murder done with the approval of the government? There's nothing about it that isn't murder, as it is in no way preemptive. How do you justify that? Keep in mind, unless you kill livestock everyweek to cleanse your sins, don't bother bringing up the Old Testament.

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Somewhat graphic..


I still want to see the vid though.

Yes, and that was horrible. I think both religions should be ashamed of that tragedy, but that's just me. Its sad when Religion makes exceptions to certain things, because from a religious standpoint, you can't stay on the fence.



What does that sentence mean? Who's the 'people'? The Arabs? So a speedy death is good and fast....again who are you to say what dies? No one here I think is in that position. BTW what is YOUR political standpoint, because I think political preference has something to do with this topic, especially the way it's going now.

You know exactly who the people I'm talking about are - Islamic fundamentalists.

And I'm a conservative when it comes to foreign policy if you must know.

A cell phone captured the majority of what the major news networks didn't bother showing: link

It's not terribly gruesome (you see him plummet, then nothing, then the "videographer" gets a closeup of Saddam with the noose still around his neck), but between the Islamic chanting and the sheer thought that you're about to watch someone get paralyzed, asphyxiated and just killed in one moment was chilling at least to me.

Now he's finally death, muslims (and I mean terrorist in this case) have another excuse to commit more crimes. You know, all this is totally crazy and remember me the Holy Wars on medieval age. Many times people think we, human race, develop to new goals, but I think we're almost the same on caveman age: fighting for survive and againts other tribes.

I like how Hussein was killed in what looks like a barnyard. How many people were even present?

Just a note: it's generally a bad idea to say what you just did without offending anyone.

Probably about 20.

Death is the quick way out. What he would've gone through being alive in Iraq would've been incomprehensible to his simple death. Now that he's dead, people will start forgetting just like the newer generations don't know about Milosevic. When they're dead, people don't want to know and don't want to care.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2114403.ece

Take that home and chew it.

That is just the kind of bullshit christians have made up to justify war and capital punishment. Personally, I'm not religious at all, but I'm not stupid enough to believe that your god left an asterisk at the end of that commandment. I read that book a few times over in my day. The only distinction between murder and killing is the one we've made up for them.

And I know for certain that kind man from Nazareth would disagree with you. Seeing as it's called CHRISTianity you'd think they'd actually start listening to what that guy said.

Yeah, it's like we make up definitions for words or something. It's almost as if we've filled a whole language full of words we've made up to describe things.

Are you honestly saying that killing someone in war and murdering a man in his sleep are the exact same? Killing/murdering is not defined as 'taking life', you know.

I agree with you. That's like saying that some sicko that kidnaps and murders little children while they walk home from school is equal to a soldier in war killing opposing enemies on the battlefield. There obviously is a difference.

I can't help but notice the fact that you both jumped to the example of a soldier in combat. Jingoism rears its head in the funniest places, doesn't it?

The simple difference between killing and murder is that a murder is perceived to be an unjust killing. When people talk about acts of vengeance, they always use "and then he killed him" instead of "and then he murdered him." More than likely it's because the person telling the story views the subject as a hero figure, and that his victim was deserving of the (more than likely) frontier justice doled out to him.

There's a huge difference between the two, and if it honestly said "thou shalt not kill" in Hebrew (which we know it doesn't) the Jews would have had a significant moral conflict when it came to eradicating every man, woman, and child in Canaan.

The reason Christians launched wars and killed Jews was because they knew there was a difference. From a modern perspective, we think that the pogroms and atrocities perpetrated against Jews were heinous and constitute murder, but from a contemporary Christian perspective, Jews were poisoning wells and hoarding all the money in an age of Mercantilism. It's not really a matter of evil men doing wicked deeds (though many detractors at the time certainly felt so) it's just that nowadays we know better, or are at least supposed to.

I don't see how Saddam's death would have any significant impact on terrorist groups; he wasn't calling out for jihad against the West to the masses, nor was his personality entrenched into terrorist groups. I'd say our killings of actual terrorist leaders had more influence upon terrorists.

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