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Originally Posted by sprouticus
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Okay, what I gathered is this - You said that 300 is a combination of mediums, and that it is a faithful translation of the comic, because Frank Miller said so. Here are the problems with that statement-
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Your inital response to what I said was an image of an emo kid cutting himself, is it that hard to accept that someone can actually disagree with you and give decent reasons why?
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A film is a film. The end. No matter what it is based off of, be it a comic, a novel, real events, whatever, in the end it is still just a film. You don't need to be a film major to figure that out. Of course Frank Miller is happy with it - It's a near-flawless rendition of HIS comic. This is problematic because if somebody made a near-flawless rendition of my life, I too would be happy with it. Does that make it a good film? NO.
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See I don't think you grasped the fact that if something is based off of another, then it is not just one medium. Like I said before, when it comes to something like this, the two merge. Yes, they are two different mediums, but why do you think people compair them to each other. Because they, like the film makers are trying to bring one medium to life with another. This would make it two different mediums, especially since those who made the movie, used the comic as a storyboard. As for Frank Miller saying it is good, well it boils down to this. It was his comic, and he thinks the director and producers didn't fuck it up and make it look like shit (Batman & Robin anyone) so there for, he would be the final say in weather the movie is perfect or not. Guess what, he thinks it is. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it a bad movie.
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300 is a film, and only a film. Therefore, it should follow the guidelines of what make a good film good. It shouldn't have limited itself strictly to the source material, because quite frankly, stuff that works well in other mediums may not work as well in a film. Look at The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy if you want a stunning example of how NOT to translate a book to film. What worked in the book did not work in the film at all.
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Correction 300 is a comic that was turned into a film, completely different set of guidelines. If you don't limit yourself to the source matrerial then you might throw in something that is nothing like the source in the first place. On the note of Hitchhickers Guide, they did a pretty damned good job, but you don't seem to remeber that the book has ALOT of stuff that was not put into the movie. Your nitpicking that is the same as nitpicking 300. Also, what works in a book, is imagination, which someone had to bring it to light as a movie, weather or not it was exact to the soucre.
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300 may very well be faithful to the source material, but you could write a book on a piece of dog shit and make a film that is faithful to it. You'll still be left with dog shit in the end.
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Now you are just fishing, catch me something good.
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Can we end this nonsense? Can we just both agree that I know more about how films work than you do? It may make me sound like a douche to you, but when you say you wish you could have seen more violence in Saving Private Ryan because it doesn't have slow motion like 300 makes you sound like the meathead jock that 300 was clearly aimed at.
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Well I cant agree with you on this one seeing as I was a move theater projectionist for the last two years of my life. See you read, and watched, and sat on your ass studing movies to say that you know how they work. I learned how to thread a projection head from platter to platter, change out the lens from flat to scope or back, fix a brain wrap on a film when it happens. I know how to install Xenon bulbs ( they can melt off your eyelids, but you know that dont you film major) with out them going off in my face. I can fix framing and sound problems on the spot. I also know how to build up and tare down movies when they come to the theaters and when it is time for them to leave. I know how splicing frames work, and I know how to put together a trailor pack. Sir, you think you know how movies work, I have worked with movies.
Like I said, you dont like it, stick it in your ass and make something better, till then, keep your butter knife, you might need later in life.