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Cheezeman3000 Mar 12, 2007 01:27 AM

One of the best films I've seen in a very long time.
If you're looking for emotion and drama, don't see it. The movie was cliche, but were you really going to that movie expecting to have some kind of life-changing revelation? Yes, they drew it out and made it cheesy, but come on... they're portraying comics. What do you expect?
If you want to have some fun watching a movie for once, go see it. NOW.

BlueEdge Mar 12, 2007 10:57 AM

Loved the movie. Sex scene was a little unnecessarily long, everyone was laughing in the theatre. They deviated from the original comic a little but none the less i loved the movie.

Wall Feces Mar 12, 2007 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by IdentikitOfEyes
:emo:

Okay, what I gathered is this - You said that 300 is a combination of mediums, and that it is a faithful translation of the comic, because Frank Miller said so. Here are the problems with that statement-

A film is a film. The end. No matter what it is based off of, be it a comic, a novel, real events, whatever, in the end it is still just a film. You don't need to be a film major to figure that out. Of course Frank Miller is happy with it - It's a near-flawless rendition of HIS comic. This is problematic because if somebody made a near-flawless rendition of my life, I too would be happy with it. Does that make it a good film? NO.

300 is a film, and only a film. Therefore, it should follow the guidelines of what make a good film good. It shouldn't have limited itself strictly to the source material, because quite frankly, stuff that works well in other mediums may not work as well in a film. Look at The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy if you want a stunning example of how NOT to translate a book to film. What worked in the book did not work in the film at all.

300 may very well be faithful to the source material, but you could write a book on a piece of dog shit and make a film that is faithful to it. You'll still be left with dog shit in the end.

Can we end this nonsense? Can we just both agree that I know more about how films work than you do? It may make me sound like a douche to you, but when you say you wish you could have seen more violence in Saving Private Ryan because it doesn't have slow motion like 300 makes you sound like the meathead jock that 300 was clearly aimed at.

digita-jp Mar 12, 2007 12:28 PM

I know nothing of the movie beyond from what I've seen from the trailers & from what I hoarded from /wg/ - I'm psyched to see it; a group of us made plans to see 300 at an iMax theater this week...Aye, anything smaller just wouldn't be right. Now, rarely do I visit a theater, the last time I actually went was to see what the deal was with Borat & after that, Netflix city...I'll make the exception for 300 though - visually, it looks too good to pass by.

Vestin Mar 12, 2007 12:59 PM

Haha, I like how sprouticus bases his opinion on a movie and trys to use his "knowledge of how a film works," to validate it.

Douchebags like this are what's taking the fun out of movies.

300 was a rush. It wasn't meant to be provocative, it wasn't meant to be revolutionary nor was it meant to set a precedent for future films... it was just meant to be fun. Do you know how retarded it sounds trying to compare 300 to a Steven Spielberg movie?

God, I swear some people are blind to the world outside of them.

Wall Feces Mar 12, 2007 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vestin (Post 411845)
Do you know how retarded it sounds trying to compare 300 to a Steven Spielberg movie?

No I don't, feel free to ask IdentikitofEyes though. Here, I'll even link you to his post.

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Haha, I like how sprouticus bases his opinion on a movie and trys to use his "knowledge of how a film works," to validate it.

Douchebags like this are what's taking the fun out of movies.
You people are overreacting to the fact that I don't like this movie that you all did. Grow up, people have different opinions. You think my opinion is jaded because I know more about film? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? I'm not trying to validate anything. I'm trying to make my point clear to retards like you who think my feelings towards the film are baseless, and that I'm saying all this simply to "take the fun out of films." Fuck off. If I'm truly ruining your fun, then, well, I don't think there's much hope left for you. Why can't you assholes just accept the fact that some people see things differently than you? You people are such fucking cowards when it comes to opinions that don't match yours.

I'm done with this thread. It's been de-railed enough thanks to you cunts. I don't like the movie, and you do. I'm fine with it, but for whatever reson, you aren't. End of discussion. Stuck-up twats like you remove all the fun of posting here. Remind me never to disagree with the majority again :rolleyes:

Vestin Mar 12, 2007 02:57 PM

You didn't state simply that you didn't like it. You went into a rant about how it doesn't compare to a fucking Steven Spielburg movie. Go play in traffic. Leave more air for the rest of us who aren't stuck up cunts about movies because we think we're educated. What a joke.

IdentikitOfEyes Mar 12, 2007 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sprouticus (Post 411815)
Okay, what I gathered is this - You said that 300 is a combination of mediums, and that it is a faithful translation of the comic, because Frank Miller said so. Here are the problems with that statement-

Your inital response to what I said was an image of an emo kid cutting himself, is it that hard to accept that someone can actually disagree with you and give decent reasons why?

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A film is a film. The end. No matter what it is based off of, be it a comic, a novel, real events, whatever, in the end it is still just a film. You don't need to be a film major to figure that out. Of course Frank Miller is happy with it - It's a near-flawless rendition of HIS comic. This is problematic because if somebody made a near-flawless rendition of my life, I too would be happy with it. Does that make it a good film? NO.
See I don't think you grasped the fact that if something is based off of another, then it is not just one medium. Like I said before, when it comes to something like this, the two merge. Yes, they are two different mediums, but why do you think people compair them to each other. Because they, like the film makers are trying to bring one medium to life with another. This would make it two different mediums, especially since those who made the movie, used the comic as a storyboard. As for Frank Miller saying it is good, well it boils down to this. It was his comic, and he thinks the director and producers didn't fuck it up and make it look like shit (Batman & Robin anyone) so there for, he would be the final say in weather the movie is perfect or not. Guess what, he thinks it is. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it a bad movie.


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300 is a film, and only a film. Therefore, it should follow the guidelines of what make a good film good. It shouldn't have limited itself strictly to the source material, because quite frankly, stuff that works well in other mediums may not work as well in a film. Look at The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy if you want a stunning example of how NOT to translate a book to film. What worked in the book did not work in the film at all.
Correction 300 is a comic that was turned into a film, completely different set of guidelines. If you don't limit yourself to the source matrerial then you might throw in something that is nothing like the source in the first place. On the note of Hitchhickers Guide, they did a pretty damned good job, but you don't seem to remeber that the book has ALOT of stuff that was not put into the movie. Your nitpicking that is the same as nitpicking 300. Also, what works in a book, is imagination, which someone had to bring it to light as a movie, weather or not it was exact to the soucre.

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300 may very well be faithful to the source material, but you could write a book on a piece of dog shit and make a film that is faithful to it. You'll still be left with dog shit in the end.
Now you are just fishing, catch me something good.

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Can we end this nonsense? Can we just both agree that I know more about how films work than you do? It may make me sound like a douche to you, but when you say you wish you could have seen more violence in Saving Private Ryan because it doesn't have slow motion like 300 makes you sound like the meathead jock that 300 was clearly aimed at.
Well I cant agree with you on this one seeing as I was a move theater projectionist for the last two years of my life. See you read, and watched, and sat on your ass studing movies to say that you know how they work. I learned how to thread a projection head from platter to platter, change out the lens from flat to scope or back, fix a brain wrap on a film when it happens. I know how to install Xenon bulbs ( they can melt off your eyelids, but you know that dont you film major) with out them going off in my face. I can fix framing and sound problems on the spot. I also know how to build up and tare down movies when they come to the theaters and when it is time for them to leave. I know how splicing frames work, and I know how to put together a trailor pack. Sir, you think you know how movies work, I have worked with movies.

Like I said, you dont like it, stick it in your ass and make something better, till then, keep your butter knife, you might need later in life.

Vestin Mar 12, 2007 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IdentikitOfEyes
Well I cant agree with you on this one seeing as I was a move theater projectionist for the last two years of my life.

Using your janitorial experience doesn't validate your opinion either. Stop trying to prove who's opinion is right. I thought it was a kick ass movie. I'm not saying that the movie was kick ass because I've been a mechanic for thirty-five years and I am far more cultured than the both of you. I'm just simply stating that I thought it was cool. End of discussion, thank you.

IdentikitOfEyes Mar 12, 2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vestin (Post 411944)
Using your janitorial experience doesn't validate your opinion either. Stop trying to prove who's opinion is right. I thought it was a kick ass movie. I'm not saying that the movie was kick ass because I've been a mechanic for thirty-five years and I am far more cultured than the both of you. I'm just simply stating that I thought it was cool. End of discussion, thank you.

I am not saying my opinion is right because of my experiance, in every post from sprouticus, he keeps saying that he is right because he is a film major. He even stated that he knows how movies work and that is why he "know more" All I was doing with that part was showing that I too have worked with movies in the point that I know how to actually play a movie through a projector. I was just defending myself against someone that keeps throwing their film major title around.

Jochie Mar 12, 2007 10:14 PM

I invented the motion picture by accident while travelling through time once when I was 14. Based on that, I'd say that 300 has a lot of hot dudes running around almost naked, and what sounds like a fairly sexy sex scene. That, plus slow-motion gore equals the movie equivalent of a roller coaster -- one that is being ridden by a bunch of almost naked dudes. I'll probably rent this one.

Diversion Mar 12, 2007 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by IdentikitOfEyes (Post 411917)
Well I cant agree with you on this one seeing as I was a move theater projectionist for the last two years of my life. See you read, and watched, and sat on your ass studing movies to say that you know how they work. I learned how to thread a projection head from platter to platter, change out the lens from flat to scope or back, fix a brain wrap on a film when it happens. I know how to install Xenon bulbs ( they can melt off your eyelids, but you know that dont you film major) with out them going off in my face. I can fix framing and sound problems on the spot.

Are you trying to use your ability to do a task, one that thousands of teenagers throughout the nation can also do as well, to justify any opinion on presentation on creativity? I'm not here to say your opinion is wrong, but it's an entirely foolish stance to think that using "experience" involving the avoidance of burning out your retinas will somehow make you more credible.

Chie Mar 12, 2007 11:21 PM

the movie was visually captivating and story was enough to keep you hoping that the Spartans would gain victory. Not groundbreaking though, Sin City definitely better since it gave an attachment to the characters.

IdentikitOfEyes Mar 13, 2007 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Diversion (Post 412235)
Are you trying to use your ability to do a task, one that thousands of teenagers throughout the nation can also do as well, to justify any opinion on presentation on creativity? I'm not here to say your opinion is wrong, but it's an entirely foolish stance to think that using "experience" involving the avoidance of burning out your retinas will somehow make you more credible.

No, its not like that. I was using it to justify the fact that I know how movies work just as well as sprouticus. Granted it is a task that can be learned by anyone. I was just trying to make the point that throwing around a film major title doesn't automatically make you all knowing in movies. I am a game designer and I don't act like I have played every game ever made.Thats generally what sprouticus has been doing this entire thread. " I am a film major, I know more than you." Yay, that just means you watch alot of movies and will be line to become a film critic, which not alot of people like.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 13, 2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Capo
This guy named Patrick (oh boy was he cool; me and my friends started a "We <3 Patrick" chant before the previews started =o), told us that every single showing at Loew's had been sold out this weekend. We got to the theater at 7 and were forced to buy tickets for the 8 o' clock showing, but it was worth the wait. Such a fun movie. =)

Posted in AA's journal, but it works for a post here, too.

Slash Mar 13, 2007 11:15 PM

I haven't seen the movie yet but I think its pretty funny that Iran is protesting the movie because its degrading to the Persian army by getting their asses kicked or something like that and that it is "Modern Day Propoganda" to help the war against Iran...

Matt Mar 13, 2007 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Devoxycontin (Post 412565)
If you don't read history I guess this is true.

Knowing the outcome or not, you can still be instilled with hope.
Kind of like when you watch a movie for a second time and you know what happens, but still wish that so-and-so did the OTHER thing, ya know? uh... :eagletear:

Anyway, I just got back from a late showing and was impressed. It was no Gladiator but it was definitely a good movie.
The speed variation techniques made it feel more like a video game. In my mind I kept trying to draw parallels to the movie and the games Prince of Persia and God of War.
Spoiler:
The ending soldier-charge scene was great because not only did the speed change, but so did the angle!

I was actually impressed by the speed changes, even if it was kind of gimmicky or whatever. It was the movie's "style", and I dug it. It made it feel more and more like an action-packed graphic novel: There's action on the pages, but there's so much visual detail that you have to pause and ogle it a little more in certain parts.

chibilola Mar 14, 2007 03:46 PM

best story about 300 everrr.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...pix/SPARTA.jpg


I would totally hurl a spear at some people.

kinkymagic Mar 14, 2007 03:56 PM

Based on how dissapointed I was by Sin City, I can't see myself going to see this. IMO, CGI is the scourge of modern cinema.

Matt Mar 14, 2007 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chibilola (Post 413263)
best story about 300 everrr.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...pix/SPARTA.jpg


I would totally hurl a spear at some people.

That's funny and fucked up all at the same time.

chibilola Mar 14, 2007 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kinkymagic (Post 413267)
Based on how dissapointed I was by Sin City, I can't see myself going to see this. IMO, CGI is the scourge of modern cinema.

Well it's suppose to be pretty on top of the comic but it's never meant to be accurate, I'm really dissappointed in people talking about how history that and history this. It really doesn't matter on an entertainment base. If you want history go watch a special on the history channel. I wanted to see Gerard Butler half naked (or completely naked) kick some ass, and I did.

What 300 is a whole bunch of "well built" men running around hacking legs and head off and stabbing people with spears screaming "SPARTA!" in complete CG enviroment. If you're going in there expecting anything else in there you might as well go into a family film expecting a boob-age. Other then that I really want to kick someone in the chest.

Hantei Mar 14, 2007 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 413274)
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Originally Posted by chibilola (Post 413263)
best story about 300 everrr.
[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/Keve07/300%20funny%20pix/SPARTA.jpg[img]
I would totally hurl a spear at some people.

That's funny and fucked up all at the same time.

LOL, that's hilarious, would have loved to have seen that! But man, after seeing the movie, you do kinda build up the testosterone. Haha, even my buddies said, as we exited the theatre, that they had an urge to start pushing people out of the way.

EDIT:

Oh and picked up the figures by NECA. Wish they gave Leonidas an angry roaring helmetless head instead, as it would haved looked so much better.

http://i15.tinypic.com/43hypon.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/404p0fn.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/2wdd74j.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/42ibtk2.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/2akbhjt.jpg

Paco Mar 14, 2007 06:54 PM

Man... I was expecting to see a popcorn, testosterone-fueled rage fest with VERY pretty pictures and lots of blood, kind of like the comic... My expectations were met tenfold. VERY GOOD MOVIE, if you're not there expecting an Academy Award winner. (lol)

I didn't recognize Gerard Butler though. I remember him when he was in that Tomb Raider: Cradle of Life and he just looks and acts the fucking part of Leonidas; in other words, the polar opposite of Sheridan in CoL. The man walks around the set like earth fucking BELONGS to him and yeah... he may not own the earth but he does own this film.

anoney Mar 14, 2007 08:23 PM

That story is from 4chan (or one of its heathen brethren) and is most likely "copypasta". Stories like that are very rarely real, especially when originating from sites like 4chan.

Did make me laugh though.


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