Face the reality of what? That flames on a truck doesn't jolt with your perceptions of a fictional character and that you're getting too whiny over it? Mostly Mobius One, but whatever.

The existence of differing classes of people who like Transformers is irrelevant to the discussion, since those other groups aren't sobbing incessantly over flames on a truck instead of enjoying or disliking the movie for what it is. I collect the fucking toys myself and frequent Transformers message boards. I freely admit that I haven't grown up much in relation with toys. Yet, I'm not threatening to disown the movie for not being a utterly slavish recreation of G1. When I watch the movie, it'll be good or suck on its own merits, not via comparison with a cartoon twenty years ago. If the movie truly sucks, flames on a truck will be the least of its problems.

I will agree that sometimes to go overboard with shit like this, not everything will be the same and as long as they don't make MAJOR changes it should still be good.

All there is to discuss/complain about right now is flames on a truck. So flames on a truck will be discussed and/or complained about. That's just how it works. It'll most likely be looked upon as really, really trivial the more information is released.

Congratulations on shooting yourself in the foot. I absolutely fail to see how you can bitch at this movie for putting flames on a truck (because you know, some of them have that), yet praise X-Men for going from Yellow to black leather.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

Yeah, he looks a little different, but as of now we have absolutely no indication that it is not going to be the same Optimus we loved growing up, just with a slightly different paint job. Wolverine didn't have the mask, but he was still just as cool.

Sure I want the red/blue Optimus. But I can certainly live with that change if they get the character right.


So you've read the script? You've read the top secret script that no one has read? So you then know, for a fact because you've read the script, exactly what happens in the movie and why it will suck? Like you know that the characters arn't going to act like you think they should? And that the script is not going to be G1 focused at all?

No you don't, because you haven't read shit. Forming such strong opinions about the movie based on the ramblings of a few AICN talkbackers is immature and irrational. You don't know anything about the movie besides that Optimus may have flames on him at some point and that a large yellow robot (perhaps Bumblebee) makes an appearance at the hoover dam.

"War and Peace" sucked. But ofcourse, that's just what I decided to believe, never actually having read War and Peace.

It was announced today at comic-con that the original voice of Optimus Prime will be returning for the movie

:GIDDY:

Did they always have the same voice actor for all the Transformer series?

This is really awesome news!!
Now all we need is Frank Welker as Megatron and then everyone can be completely happy!
(it would surprise me if he won't do it.....because he's still rather active in the bizz)

No. For G1, it was Cullen, then from Beast Wars on to Armada, Energon, and Cybertron it was Gary Chalk. He did a pretty damned good job in Beast Wars too (wouldn'tve have minded if he'd ended up being the voice of Prime in the movie), though his work on the other series' was a little....ehh.
Also on that note, the guy who did the voice work for Beast Wars Megatron through pretty much every incarnation of the character afterwards is David Kaye. Personally, if they can't get Welker to do the voice, I vote for this guy, even if he doesn't have a raspy, sinister voice.

How does these guys sound? "Wahwah, what if randomname doesn't voice random Transformer! It'll be shit!"
I've never watched the original, only danish dubs, so I'm pretty much in the dark about the importance of the "right" VA...

Robots in Disguise had a different guy. Neil Kaplan, I think.

For people who are fans of the original series and the movie, such as myself. If hearing another voice for Prime can be a bit jarring. This is one of the reasons that I could never get into any of the later series

I personally like the voice actor from Beast Wars (lol beasties in canada), so if that's who's doing the movie, then I'm down with it.

I nearly shat my pants after hearing that Cullen would reprise his role as Prime. I was also glad to hear that he would be a semi and not a god damn fire truck. I would've been okay with the Prime from Beast Wars too. ::goes off to find the Beast Wars dvds::

Awsome to hear Peter Cullen's coming back - but there is bigger news. Just today Paramount announced that there will be a live chat tommorow (7/18/06) witht the writers of the movie, where thay will announce all the names of the transformers who will be in the movie. I don't think I can make it, but I'll be looking for postings around the web later...

The official list as per that webcast is;

Optimus
BUmblebee
Jazz
Ratchet
Ironhide

Megatron
Starscream (FUCKING YES)
Brawl
Bonecrusher (Said to be the closest thing to a Constructicon. I'm thinking they just renamed Devastator)
Barricade
Scorpinok (Are you serious? Giant metal scorpions? awesome)
Frenzy (they said something like Soundwave, but not quite)
Blackout


Overall a decent list. Not everyone I wanted, but it's not terrible. I will say however that there is no Soundwave, and that I am pissed. Brawl? BRAWL? Over Soundwave. weak.

I was waiting for someone to post the results of that webchat.

Give me Grimlock!!!!

Webchat is still going, but now it's just fans asking questions. Anything important I'll post, but right now it's just "who would win in a fight? optimus or megatron?" and "will megatron insult Starscream atelast once?". The answer is yes.

Edit:

There is going to be a contest in a couple of weeks. "Write a line for Optimus Prime". Submit the line that Optimus has to say during the movie, and they'll pick one and get Peter Cullen to do it and stick it in the movie. While it's obvious that "Transform and Roll Out!" is going to be in the movie anyways (atleast I hope so), I'm so submitting "Light out darkest hour!"

They cut Soundwave out in this movie because of the catch-22 that no mass-shifting for this film posed (at first they had Blackout lined up to be Soundwave, but they were worried about the reaction to the new alt-mode... then it was Frenzy who was meant to be Soundwave, who was more true to G1... but let's face it, not exactly strong or menacing)

Don Murphy mentioned towards the beginning of the year at the Toronto BotCon that they were thinking of leaving Soundwave out for another movie, because, in his words, "I don't want to be the one that screws up Soundwave"

Personally, I wouldn't have minded Soundwave being the MH-53, but then again, I wouldn't mind him being introduced in a sequel either if it means he has more time dedicated to the development of his character

Anyway, I'm pretty satisfied with how this character line-up is sounding

My life has meaning again.

Thanks for posting the list acid, I didn't get to tune in.

My life has lost meaning.

I refuse to watch any hackjob adaption that seeks fit to remove the coolest Decepticon of all time.

Yeah, they said during the webcast that Frenzy's character kind of started out as Soundwave, but they changed him altogether because they felt they wouldn't really be doing him justice.

I just can't decide if a broken Soundwave is worse than no Soundwave at all.

Also These went up on the net sometime today. Don't know the legitmacy of them, but these may be first shots of some of the bots. The yellow one is obviously Bumblebee, and the truck is obviously Optimus. I've heard that the black truck may be Ironhide and the Hummer thing Ratchet. Or vice versa. The big skeleton thing was hinted at being either a frozen Megatron (When they find them in the arctic) or just an animatronic skeleton. Again, don't know if these are legit or what, but it's something.

I personally don't really care for the Bumblebee look. It's too anime-ish, not boxy enough. Still though, they could make Optimus out of toothpicks and I'd still be there in a Transformers t-shirt on opening day doing a bad Chris Latta impression.

Nachhooooossssssss!

How do you mess this up?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S8kUCxrjLGs

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XPB26zTeN7k

How much simpler could it be? It must take a truly talentless asshole to mess that up.

Does anyone REALLY care about this whole "mass-shifting" bullshit? Is everyone going to walk out of the theater in disgusted disbelief just because they have a 2 story tall robot transforming into a portable boombox?

THEY ARE ROBOTS FROM OUTER SPACE. WHO CARES ABOUT REALISM?

I can't believe he isn't in this movie. Instant fail.

Well I'd imagine the exclusion of Soundwave is the fact that he's a tape recorder. While he was one of the most awesome characters in the show putting him in the movie would probably be a lose lose situation. The fans who want it to be true to form want a tape recorder, but the average moviegoer sees cassettes as outdated technology.

Then there's the one-of-a-kind voice. If this is their thinking I can understand why they'd leave him out.

Starscream toy:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2...ca67fl9.th.jpg
Scorponok model:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/347...8c25ac5.th.jpg
Optimus Prime model:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/368...4405we0.th.jpg
Blackout toy:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3...b497hp0.th.jpg
Blackout model:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/495...39b5ls6.th.jpg

Commence whining.