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Kostaki Jun 19, 2007 03:12 AM

Nobody with any reasonable sense is buying the car bombing angle to any degree. It's the kind of shit that blurs the line between reality and the "show" itself, which does not help the business.

In other news, the only way the angle is going to pay off at ALL is if they make a returning Triple H the culprit.

"I MARRIED HIS DAUGHTER, KILLED HIM, AND TOOK OVER THE BUSINESS"

Which basically now amounts to publicizing the actual HHH/Stephanie relationship, and turning Triple H into a "Kingpin" (lol king of kings) where you find Stephanie torn between her husband, child, and her father. Shane now wants nothing more than pure revenge for it happening by claiming Smackdown and ECW as his own and pitting them against Triple H's RAW brand.

Then of course leading into Wrestlemania, Shane will finally get the best of Triple H leading to them squaring off where Shane will demand a handicap match against Triple H. Triple H will lawl and accept, and of course, the mystery partner will be none other than Vince McMahon himself. It'll be explained that the door on the OTHER SIDE was opened (as seen in the footage) and he survived the bombing, and bided his time waiting for the opportunity to get revenge. Shane and Vince will defeat Triple H with additional help from a now stable Stephanie McMahon who turns on Triple H, and Vince will make a spiel about how proud he is of Shane for standing up for what he built, and will hand the company over to Shane. Stephanie will "leave" Triple H on-air, and Vince will then permanently leave the on-air spotlight.

Passing the torch, compelling story, holy shit surprises, and a kickass ending that doesn't involve more bombs and death.

This is what is required, all else will fail.

Golfdish from Hell Jun 19, 2007 03:42 AM

The thing with Sherri was they showed a brief "In Memory" snippet for about 10 seconds, then about 3 lines from JR during the diva match and even before that match started, they went back to hyping the McMahon death angle in their sad tones. I dunno...I think that was poor taste, albeit indirectly. I mean, Sherri was fucking classic and deserved more of a mention.

I agree with Kostaki: this thing is going to come back to HHH. I thought "DX" as soon as I saw Vince go into the limo. With Michaels out, I can see this generating some cool heat (especially the way they played up Stephanie tonight). I'm all for it if it means indirectly getting the belt off Cena and onto someone I can stand to watch. Overall, I'm liking the novelty of this angle...Of course, I like the fact that the crowd and the audience is so NOT sold on it, despite all of the gimmickery. It's a different atmosphere. First great spot from Crime Tyme tonight too...

mortis Jun 19, 2007 08:54 AM

Trips would be the best to fill the role. I mean, remember the Austin thing? Same deal.

DX itself is not the best to fill this role. Yes, they did tricks and such, but something like this isn't DX's style...it's Trips.

stormshadow Jun 19, 2007 11:14 AM

Kostaki I like that story you made up. Now if only the writers would do that. As for Raw last night it was too boring. Not enough matches and too much of the federal investigator for my liking.

Winter Storm Jun 19, 2007 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Enter User Name (Post 454056)
I hate when people say that type of shit. Personally I don't even care for the Vince death gimmick, because I think it is kind of dumb. But why do feel that because someone who is no longer even affiliated with WWE, and hasn't been for many years, dies, that now they have to change a storyline that they planned BEFORE she died because it is "bad taste"? I hate this pussy's way of thinking. It's stupid. WWE does that kind of crap all the time(political correctness), which is a big reason why i lost tons of respect for WWE and barely watch anymore.

And I hate how poeple come off like the dead should be ignored. A change in the storyline isn't necessary sure, and all the people who died thus far were either retired or working behind the scenes. She was retired. So was Earthquake(who's dead too) his death was made into a huge deal. They were both good in thier careers. The point is that frankly nobody gives a damn about him. No one cares about his fucked up ass "death angle" and in light of someones REAL PASSING, ITS NOT COOL. Ok we get it that he considers his "death" more important than Sherris(who was among one of the REAL women wrestlers before becoming a manager) but come on.

Enter User Name Jun 19, 2007 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Winter Storm (Post 454797)
And I hate how poeple come off like the dead should be ignored. A change in the storyline isn't necessary sure, and all the people who died thus far were either retired or working behind the scenes. She was retired. So was Earthquake(who's dead too) his death was made into a huge deal. They were both good in thier careers. The point is that frankly nobody gives a damn about him. No one cares about his fucked up ass "death angle" and in light of someones REAL PASSING, ITS NOT COOL. Ok we get it that he considers his "death" more important than Sherris(who was among one of the REAL women wrestlers before becoming a manager) but come on.

What the hell are they supposed to do then? She hasn't even been part of the company for 15 years. She was a big time manager 15 years ago, fine, I liked her and I thought she was a great manager in the 80s and early 90s. But, so what, her dieing has absolutely nothing to do with WWE now, so why do they need to start changing things just because she dies? If her cause of death was dieing in a car bombing, that is the only scenario where I think WWE should stop the storyline. A 10 second remembrance of her is more than enough. Yes, she dead and it's sad, but dieing a fact of life. People die, and life goes on for others. She was important in WWE 15 years ago, but not anymore. So enough :tpg:, and move on.

Slash Jun 19, 2007 08:17 PM

Yeah, that would have been like TNA doing a thing for Eddie when he died. They just gave him a short "In memory" thing and that was it.

Then again I guess it is two huge different things

CapturedPenguin Jun 20, 2007 01:05 AM

Not quite sure if this is spoiler but whatever...

Spoiler:
Chris Benoit vs CM Punk at Vengeance for the ECW World Title, thats going to be a hell of a match.

Malahk Angel Jun 21, 2007 10:34 AM

Well, the reason for the Limo angle is revealed.

Apparently USA is putting pressure on the WWE to make a return to the Attitude Era, and this angle is WWE's attempt to initiate that change. Just a shame they couldn't come up with a better angle to kickstart things. I mean, look at what started the first Attitude Era, the Austin 3:16 speech was classic and to this day is still infamous. It was believable, and Stone Cold was a perfect poster boy for the era. A limo exploding and a whole crapload of illegitimate "FBI" investigations is not a good way to bring the edge back.

Also, listen to this shit:

"On June 11, 2007, the unimaginable occurred when Mr. McMahon's limo exploded as he left Raw’s McMahon Appreciation Night leaving the question: WHO DID IT? As we continue to mourn this sudden lost suspicions are arising. Everyone knows Mr. McMahon had a multitude of enemies, maybe it was YOU! Confess your hand in this heinous act by owning the I DID IT T-shirt today! Black. 100% cotton. Screen-printed in the USA. Imported."

WWE continues to show it's grace and tact in this angle. Stephanie must be losing her mind over it [/sarcasm]

Winter Storm Jun 23, 2007 07:46 PM

lol is that a sign that the WWE is dropping in ratings?

WWE: Cena will have title match against entire roster, slap all in STFU and win.
USA: Oh hell no, Cena MUST LOSE THE TITLE, make it happen or get the fuck off our channel. And fix Austins neck, and why the hell is the ROCK shooting MOVIES??
WWE: :(
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Originally Posted by Enter User Name (Post 454863)
What the hell are they supposed to do then? She hasn't even been part of the company for 15 years. She was a big time manager 15 years ago, fine, I liked her and I thought she was a great manager in the 80s and early 90s. But, so what, her dieing has absolutely nothing to do with WWE now, so why do they need to start changing things just because she dies? If her cause of death was dieing in a car bombing, that is the only scenario where I think WWE should stop the storyline. A 10 second remembrance of her is more than enough. Yes, she dead and it's sad, but dieing a fact of life. People die, and life goes on for others. She was important in WWE 15 years ago, but not anymore. So enough :tpg:, and move on.

Can't wait for you die pal so I can have me some fun.

No just kidding. I agree with the not changing anything but being asshole in light of someone deaths just because "they're dead, I'm alive so it doesn't matter" can be kept to oneself.

Golfdish from Hell Jun 23, 2007 08:09 PM

Good news...The Attitude era was the golden era of wrestling for me. The business has been downright lethargic for the past 6 years or so. The atmosphere during the whole Austin/McMahon angle was electrifyingly must-see TV and I'm all for a return to that (with new faces, of course). I mean, I wouldn't mind Cena if he would go out there and do something to make me like him, instead of being the silly "good guy" poser that he is. I mean, geez...He's the PERFECT fucking heel. Everyone already hates him! But they need guys to act like they're good and pissed off and have motivation to fight each other. And get guys like Mark Henry and Khali off the show for people with actual mic skills and that can put on a great 20 minute match. Right now, it really looks like they're working night shifts instead of having creative and compelling feuds/matches.

I really want to see Benoit/Punk and Edge/Batista. Those are going to be awesome matches and I really can't predict a winner. I only care about the other one if Cena loses. I think I said before, but I'll say again...Edge may be the best thing to happen to wrestling in years. He's just really taken off (much like the Rock did, but his growth from midcarder to main eventer was much more natural). Kennedy hopefully isn't too far behind.

Slash Jun 24, 2007 01:13 AM

I remember the crazy parts of the attitude era. Like at I think it was Survivor Series 2000 with the Austin getting hit angle. Then they sprang that it was Rikishi (to turn him into a heel...for about 2 weeks) and HHH was the ringleader.

Golfdish from Hell Jun 24, 2007 01:30 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqklcni4vPo

Nah, getting run over is old hat (see above). The highlight of Attitude era was the eight month period from when Vince (at the height of his Austin hatred and his "Corporation" stable) screwed Austin out of the title, fired him and it culminated at St. Valentine's Massacre with Austin vs McMahon in the cage. For such a gimmick match, it's up there as one of the best I can remember. Then it went right into the Austin/Rock matches and held momentum. Early on, I loved the whole Hart Foundation angle in mid-1997(since that was when Austin was really coming into his own) and the Mick Foley-getting-thrown-off-the-cage still floors me every time I've seen it.

I didn't like HHH once he started main eventing in the attitude era because of the Stephanie angle (I did like HHH vs McMahon though). HHH is like Austin...He's a lot more exciting in the title hunt than as the actual champ.

Such a Lust for Revenge! Jun 24, 2007 02:30 PM

Ha, I loved it when HHH revealed himself to Austin. IT WAS ME AUSTIN! IT WAS MEEEEEEE!

Winter: I think EUN is trying to say "the show must go on." Shame about Sherri though.

Winter Storm Jun 24, 2007 09:57 PM

Spoiler:
Apparently The Hardys even though being on seperate brands can still fuction as a tag team. However they did not win the titles back.

Benoit did not compete - Nitro took his place. CM Punk lost.

Batista lost - count out. This is after Edge disqualified himself to keep the title and screw Batista which pissed of Theodore Long that as a result restarted the match with the stipulation if Edge did it again he would lose the title.

Candice won the title, I fear however that her reign will be short.

MVP got his ass whopped by Flair but MVP won anyway.

Duece and Domino won. They went against Sgt Slaughter..well fuck it. They went against two old guys who need to know when to call it quits.(Jimmy Snuka was his partner).

Umaga was the fan favorite in the match against Satino. What I'm saying his people were booing Satino and cheering Umaga on. IMO that speaks volumes. The kid doesn't deserve the IC title. Umaga however got himself disqualified. With no manager to tell him right from wrong, he just beat the fuck out of Satino at the turnbuckle for the whole 5 count.

LOL I HOPE YOU DIDN'T THINK CENA LOST THE WWE TITLE, BECAUSE I HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE. It wasn't even a "match"... Ortan was too pre-occupied with given Foley a concussion and crap, and Lashley spent most of his time being thrown out the ring. Booker was the only one who posed a threat to Cena. He got thrown out by Orton, Orton got thrown out by Cena, and all that was left was Foley who of course gave the jobbing pin.

Keep in mind by thrown out, I don't mean elimination.

SuperSonic Jun 24, 2007 10:37 PM

Well it's gonna be a 3 hour special Monday Night Raw. Who "killed" Vince McMahon? It was WCW!! Heh, just kidding. Should be interesting to see what they come up with. Oh and concerning Vengeance...

Spoiler:
Damn it, I honestly thought there was a chance for Cena to lose the title this time. Seriously, I believed that and he still comes out on top. Screw it...I already know King Booker can't do it and neither can Bobby Lashley. Randy Orton? Pfffft, not gonna happen. I only know of five people who can do it now, and four of them are out of the wrestling business or are injured.

1. Hulk Hogan
2. Triple H
3. Shawn Michaels
4. Stone Cold Steve Austin
5. Mr. Kennedy

So once Kennedy comes back, I'm putting my faith in him to take the title because he's honestly the last hope at this point. Cena's beaten everyone else on the damn roster that's main event material.

Golfdish from Hell Jun 24, 2007 10:50 PM

It's official...I'm not only going to watch ECW for the first time since they released Sabu, I'm looking forward to it more than I am RAW.

Woo-hoo! Go Nitro! May you have a long and healthy reign and many (more) awesome matches.

On the other hand, boy I'm glad I didn't order this. Cena retains (fuck). Batista is counted out (dammit). Nothing else mattered (*sigh*).

Slash Jun 25, 2007 02:41 AM

I'd rather see Kennedy beat Cena for the WWE title (which I can see happening) than the four they had in the match

Winter Storm Jun 25, 2007 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldfishX (Post 458254)
It's official...I'm not only going to watch ECW for the first time since they released Sabu, I'm looking forward to it more than I am RAW.

Woo-hoo! Go Nitro! May you have a long and healthy reign and many (more) awesome matches.

On the other hand, boy I'm glad I didn't order this. Cena retains (fuck). Batista is counted out (dammit). Nothing else mattered (*sigh*).

Yea I can say I wasted my money lol. Nitro and CM Punk was the only match that caught my interest. I'm not going to bother with the Great American Bash though.

The funniest thing throughout the show was how no one mentioned JBL being the longest reigning champion in 10 years. Infact he had to make an announcer mention him. Michael Cole ran down a list of past champions and JBL was like "I will forgive you for not mentioning my name". XD

CapturedPenguin Jun 25, 2007 05:37 PM

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We are still awaiting further details, but PWInsider.com is extremely saddened to report that former WWE and WCW World champion Chris Benoit and his wife, former WCW and ECW personality Nancy "Woman" Benoit were both found dead today in Atlanta, Georgia. Obviously this will be a huge developing story in the days to come but at this point, we'd like to express our deepest condolences to the Benoits' family, friends, and fans at this time.

A meeting is currently ongoing at WWE TV and it is expected that tonight's three hour Raw will now be dedicated to Benoit's memory.

6:09 Update: WWE.com issued the following statement this afternoon:

"WWE is sad to report that Chris Benoit and his family have been found dead in their home. Police are currently investigating the circumstances surrounding the deaths. Tonight's Raw will be a tribute to Chris and his family."
Holy shit! This is so sad. I wonder what happened.

Golfdish from Hell Jun 25, 2007 05:52 PM

Wow, that's just...

No words. Not even a joke about him taking his life for getting drafted to ECW. RIP Chris...You were the man. You have more wrestling ability deceased than most of the current roster does alive.

Very sad.

SuperSonic Jun 25, 2007 06:06 PM

Man...I can't believe that at all. Chris Benoit. Chris freakin Benoit. :( I really what to know what the cause of death was because this just doesn't seem natural. I'll miss the Rabid Wolverine.

We'll miss you Benoit, you were one of the greatest.

Malahk Angel Jun 25, 2007 06:13 PM

Well, according to PWInsider, Benoit called WWE before Vengeance telling them he wouldn't make it back as his family was sick and coughing up blood. Perhaps he succumbed to whatever they were dealing with.

Truly sad that he's gone. I'm in shock about the whole thing honestly. Seems like the Radicalz are dropping like flies >_<.

Crash "Long-Winded Wrong Answer" Landon Jun 25, 2007 06:31 PM

I would like to think that this will put a premature and rightful kibosh on the stupid "Death of Vince McMahon" angle. Whereas Sherri Martel was long distanced from the company, Chris Benoit is not. Pursuing the angle now would be remarkably tasteless, even by WWE standards.

Benoit was a hell of an athlete. This is horrible.

Malahk Angel Jun 25, 2007 07:11 PM

Well, as one bright moment in all of this tragedy, at least it calls for the end of the ridiculous Vince angle. He kicked off Raw by stating what had happened, and he did so very gracefully. You could see him holding back the tears, it was almost touching.


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