Dev, just admit when you've been proven wrong. You don't want to ignite this guy's emotionless passion.

The idea is that those games have entertainment value that's enjoyable to anyone with any interest in anything other than looking good, or other boring snooty stereotypes. I'll draw you a picture next time so you won't have to misinterpret what I said.
And yes. Gamers can be total morons. So can non-gamers. Glad you're with us.

#3 (whoever you are, you people and your airplanes...) Hah, that was actually kind of funny. I was going to change it, but now I think I'll keep Emotionless Passion, in honor of this amusing moment.

Despite the huge variety in games nowadays, I know girls that don't like anything... not even DDR. They'll play it to humour whoever else is playing. Karaoke revolution is another, but that's only if the enjoy singing. Everyone must have at least played Tetris at some point or another, or solitaire through windows.

So yeah, if you look at that way, EVERYONE must have played some sort of "video game" at some point in their life and enjoyed it. Doesn't mean their a gamer, and definitely doesn't mean that they're interesting either. :p I don't think anyone goes around hating video games with a passion and avoiding it at all costs, but we're talking about girls and gaming. The ones that don't play, they really don't care to.

"If you don't enjoy any video games, you must be a boring ditz." What kind of snobbish elitist gamer crap is that? Enjoyment of video games and social/intellectual capacity don't even follow each other. Pure non-sequitor. I'll spin it around for you. I know plenty of people who really, really enjoy most any videogame. And they are boring, because that's all they ever do or ever talk about. EVER.

And 'Prove me wrong' is not an argument. If I claim it is a fact that intelligent life exists in the 2nd star on Orion's Belt and they send me their alien pornography over undetectable subspace communication channels, shouting "PROVE ME WRONG" doesn't make me any less full of shit.

soapy- True. But I still maintain that you'd be hard-pressed to find a girl who doesn't at least ENJOY playing some kind of game, even if they don't like it enough to request it.

And so that we stay on topic at least a little more (that being girls who play and girls who don't), it's also true that girls who refuse to play, probably never will. But those girls, as I was stating earlier, are invariably boring.

ElectricSheep- As I said, the entertainment value in some of those games is completely undeniable. My point is that those who refuse to give it a shot are, in my experience, invariably boring/snobbish/stuck-up. It's like they think video games will cause cancer. And yeah. There are some gamers who are boring cause that's all they ever do or talk about. No argument there.

And, if you recall, "prove me wrong" wasn't used as an argument. The series of questions, statements, and replies, went as follows, in case you can't reference page 4 for yourself:
RAZGRIZ-2: "Yeah you got women all figured out don't ya? bitch please"
Me: "Prove me wrong. :P"

If that's not enough for you, let me quite simply point out that saying "Prove me wrong" is a rather concise way of saying "Okay, you and I seem to have conflicting opinions. My experiences have given me my opinion - did YOU have experiences that prove your point, or are you just assuming because you are an ass? If the former, please press reply. If the latter, please hang up now, do not pass 'Go,' do not collect $200."

I love how I have to spell everything out for some of you. Reminds me why I loved GFF so much! Can't believe I ever left.

You do infact sound like an elitist snob. But on the other end of the spectrum, their are probably girls who laugh at guys like you. "Boring" is subjective here, and you have not made that clearly. You must understand that you were the person who made the comment that instigated all this commotion with your "general rule." Because you've made such a lofty claim, you should have been prepared to defend it well.

On the other hand, many GFF members thrive on aggressive debate which I do not neccessarily support, especially in the quiet place. But seriously, the general rule you set foward is waiting for trouble.

Anyone who puts rules out there suggesting that it's not even questionable or debatable is setting themselves up to be shot down :p

Like 3/4 of my friends don't play video games, are they all boring? Maybe, but it's not because they don't play games... I don't think those two really go hand in hand. I know a ton of gamers, and they aren't exactly the creme of the crop either when it comes to "fun" and "interesting."

A certain somebody was in chat the other night. He was whining about how the Wii targets girls and grandparents:) I think I made a similar retort about snobbish elitist gamer crap followed by "like it would be a travesty if more girls played games." I then sat back and waited for Dev to come in and make her usual comment, "and you guys wonder why you don't have girlfriends."




P.S. The snooty girls often grow up by the time they get to university. Also, you discover that beneath their social veneer they are people too.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2...9466531jg6.jpg

I like how Ayos only knows people who are dull.

Dude, you have had zero success with the ladies, I don't think you should let your sour grapes define other people's interactions.

I mean, seriously. How can you?

Hot gaming girls are so rare. They prefer to go out with friends spend their time at phone or simply watch TV. I also think that girls play the worst games ever made: they don't like violence nor sports. The remaining games are Sims-like or some games for babies ( the 3+ ones). So finding a hot girl who likes VG is a real chalenge, think that you're not the only man who's searching that kind of girls!!!

Well, actually those Sim Games are pretty good games. I wouldn't call it one of the 'worst games ever made'. Yeah, granted, some of them may like games like the Adventures of Sailormoon but those Simulator games (no pun intended!) are pretty intellectual games if you ask me.

when it comes to gaming, since its such a big part of my life, along with anime, manga, etc, i'll try to look for a guy into those kinds of things. sadly, a hot gamer guy is almost as rare as a hot gamer girl! you don't know my pain~!

it's always about compatibility though. i usually go for likes and dislikes that are similar to mine and THEN maybe looks. hey, i'm a teenager i'm allowed to be shallow!!

Completely agree. I can actually count my number of friends who play games on one hand. Then again though, I don't exactly play games for the same reason most people do. I play games when I have nothing else to do. Not that I dont enjoy games, just that there are many other things I enjoy more, and will do them over games any time. Games often take up time when I can't do other things, especially when I need to get my mind off these other things. So I guess, associating with people in RL who are really into games, or who spend alot of time gaming, really isn't my thing.

and yes; </3 games = boring
is a crap theory.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you... definitions!

The word "general," as defined by dictionary.com (second definition)
adjective
of, pertaining to, or true of such persons or things in the main, with possible exceptions; common to most; prevalent; usual: the general mood of the people
The word "rule," as defined by dictionary.com (third definition)
noun
the customary or normal circumstance, occurrence, manner, practice, quality, etc.: the rule rather than the exception.

Put them together. Sure, I can excuse you if you decided to take it on FIRST definition terms, since that's what I do myself at times, but honestly, it would have been a little better for the vibe in here had you been a little more willing to explore the possibility that I wasn't limiting myself to the first definition of these wonderful words.
And finally, you'll notice that I said in more recent posts that they have been, in my experience, invariably boring.
I'm fully prepared to defend every single word of what I've said, but that would be like beating a dead horse with the walking stick of the dead man who used to ride the dead horse, which stick came from a very dead tree. But I'll do it if you really want to. I do enjoy dead-horse-beatings. And semantics. Oh la how I enjoy them.

avanent- I totally agree. I know plenty of people who aren't boring who don't LOVE video games.

If that confuses any of you or makes you think I contradicted myself... I have three words for you: learn to READ.

Yep. In my expierances, I've generally found the opposite to be true. However, the fact that you said 'in your expierance' and have stated that it is 'your opinion', makes you fully able to say it. Even if I think its crap :)

Let me preface this real quick: I am NOT being a sarcstic ass here, I'm being totally serious when I say this...

I would like to meet some of these non-boring girls who have never somewhat enjoyed a video game. I met one I thought was non-boring once, but she ended up being ... well, I guess maybe not BORING, but I didn't enjoy being around her. She was too high-strung all the time. Didn't know how to relax. So honestly, if you can introduce me to one, I'd be very appreciative. Broaden my world and whatnot.

Maybe you just don't get along with people who don't have some sort of secret love for video games. That's fine. You don't like high-strung girls who don't know how to relax. Generally, girls who have a lot of energy, don't want to sit on their ass to play games. That just goes with the territory.

It's not really about the games, maybe you just don't like that type of persona.

If liking video games makes you somewhat more interested in a person, then that's fine. But that doesn't mean that a girl who doesn't like video games will be boring to everyone other person that meets them. Sometimes I like being around people who are totally energetic, positive and always willing to do something. I don't necessarily always want to be indoors and staring at a big tv screen.

Ayos, the reason you get a lot of flack here is because you word your opinions as though they were true. You don't leave the topic very open, which prompt hasty responses from everyone else.

I'd like to get back to the point wherein you define video games as an intellectual persuit. What is intellectual about DDR? What great philosophies are explored in Guilty Gear? How are your reasoning facilities taxed in NBA Jam?

Ayos, I have an intellectual game for you. Explain how one person's experiences constitute a statistically sound and unbiased piece of evidence for generalizations made on a population.

And a personal question, if I may. How do you feel about Dean Koontz novels?

Replying to inital post of this thread:

There currently is a growing amount of hot girls who are also gaming girls. Not the, "Oh this girl plays just to have fun with everyone." I mean serious gamers. "Minus 50DKP from him, he totally screwed up the run!"

I don't know what the numbers or percentages are at, but I'm pretty sure, by gut feeling alone, that they're becoming more and more of a sight to see/notice.

Just watch, as more MMORPGs develope, with prettier graphics, sexy female character designs, and boyfriends who play, there'll be more hot gamer girls to interact with.

I wish I could find the article with the picture, but there are female gamers that are hardcore FPS players.

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,1885,00.html

This one doesn't have a picture, but the other article I read, the girls were not bad looking.

Granted, these all PMS clans don't seem like the type of girls I'd want to hang out with. They probably take gaming way too seriously and want to exercise their girl power all the time. That crap bugs me. I like playing anonymously as a guy and then have people be surprised when they find out I'm a girl.

So hot female gamers do exist, but then again, are they the type of girl you'd want to be with? The ones that can beat you at every game and then laugh at you and tell all your friends? (I'm sure there are nice hot gamer girls out there that aren't full of PMS, but this is just an example.)

that's why no one likes sausagefests, Devo. Not even the dudes!

I just take exception to the idea that one hobby, among all, should be a defining characteristic to look for in a mate. Same deal with that schmuck who felt he resonated with music so strongly that he could never find anyone tolerable. I mean, among all the things you look for in a mate, why should hobbies come even close to the top? Does personality, looks or any of that mean nothing?

Well, in Ayos' case, yes. He will take any chick who so much as looks at him, and then berate her for being 'boring' when he realizes she was just asking directions. :(