Meh, pirating console games is too much trouble. I tend to only download old/obscure games not generally available in stores. Seeing those pics of the special edition though... I wonder what artists have signed up for having their music included?

:), i couldn't resist. AWESOME Game, although i won't be going online until i buy the original next week. Until then, single mode is more then enough:D

you better make your games hidden in your profile or you might get banned :(.

They don't ban people from Live based on games played, since they wouldn't punish an end user for a store or other retailer breaking street, or one of a few other legitimate reasons to have the game on the list.

They can ban for the actual piracy though, so make sure they don't catch THAT.

But didnt they do that for Halo3?

Uhhh, no.

It might appear that way if a majority of the people playing Halo early were pirates though.

Also the "hide games played" only hides from other end users, it's not like you can hide that information from the Live back end.

Whilst I can't answer that question, did you know that Rockstar don't pay for the music in GTA games? The free advertising is considered more than enough of a benefit for the artists and labels. I guess you only have to look at the success of the NWA best of and legacy albums, released in the wake of San Andreas for proof that it's worth getting on a GTA soundtrack...

hi i'm new here dont know this is the right thread but i have a simple question:does someone of you guys know if there is multiplayer offiline?split sreen or something else? thanks for your time

Regarding that skills, you Can remove your HDD, Fully format your xbox360, (be sure to transfer your GT safely to the other drive (The one that you won't probably use online) then remove HDD, Pop in GTA:4 when you finish the game and decides to go online, you can always just Format your memory card and just play from the start (With the original game)

Uhh that sounds confusing since i'm confused right now, To summarize, Remove HDD, make a new GT, play gta4, when you finish it (it gets released) Remove your memory card, format your xbox360 (i don't know how to do that) and just pop your hdd back in and grab your original copy, or start from the crap again.

For that amount of effort, couldn't you just wait five and a half days and then buy the damn thing?

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No, the multiplayer in online only. If you click on the "Quick links" button on the top bar here, you'll find the GFF Xbox 360 leaderboard option which lists out everyone here's gamertags if you need to populate your friends list with people to play with. :)

many thanks for the quick answer :).ehm i have a ps3 btw

Yeah, But then again my game will probably arrive here in 2 weeks after the release date (lol yesasia)

I don't want to risk the experience of killing tails, by running him over my lowrider.

=D

I am losing my mind.

IGN reviewed the game, here's the page if anyone is interested:

IGN: Grand Theft Auto IV Review
IGN: GTA IV Review Podcast

Looks awesome, but doesn't really concern me, since I don't own either system. Hope you guys enjoy the game!

What is it, the third 10 ever from IGN? Ocarina, Soul Calibur, and now GTA4... Crazy. Might have to reconsider waiting on getting the game now...

There's actually a bunch of handheld games that got 10s as well, but as far as console games yeah, it's only the third one.

Haven't had a chance to read the written review yet, but I did check out the video review (and I'll listen to the podcast later as well, even though they already went pretty in-depth about the game on a recent episode of their Three Red Lights podcast) and it seems like there's no reason not to buy this game. I'm definitely picking it up sometime next week.

I've never understood why these games are popular. Just utter shit.

A perfect 10? My ass.

Let me guess, repetitive game play. Lousy story. And I get to murder hookers. No, by all means, chalk that up a perfect 5 stars. For sure. I'm sure NO ONE got paid for that perfect score.

You people clearly love it, maybe someone here can explain the appeal of this. What the hell about GTA is fun? I'm honestly curious. I've never been able to tolerate more than half an hour of the previous incarnations.

Haven't we determined that review scores are already horseshit? It's not like people here really give all that much a shit. Do you remember what happened when the rational folks who posted here responded to the call to boycot shit because of Kain and Lynch? Come the fuck on, Deni. Give us a break.

But your ignorance is amusing. For a self proclaimed RPG fan, you should be well aware that repetitive tasks are not necessarily boring. Many, MANY games would be easily dismissed if this were the case. From a variety of genres. Hell, many that you LOVE can be shit on for this reason. But I like Harvest Moon and Ikaruga, what do I know about repetition, right?

Sure, the story has never been some grand epic about wizards and warriors, but they've always been extremely tounge in cheek with a fair amount of really stupid humour thrown in for good measure. Great? Probably not, but certainly not worthy of being completely shit on. I can think of hundreds of worse examples in the time it takes me to fart.

Sandboxers are usually fun (at least well made ones are) in that they give you a bunch of shit to just do as you please. That tends to be what's amusing. If one enjoys an experience that's not so rigidly structured, then they tend to be all about this genre. I can murder hookers just for the sake of enjoying the sound it makes when I apply bat to skull. Fine then. If I'm having fun, ain't that the point?

That said, multiplayer is what I'm looking forward to the most in this iteration. Helicopter chiken with my main man Tails is gonna be quite possibly the funniest shit ever. There's just something to be said about the ability to mess around with the tools given to you with no discernable goal except what you make yourself. Crackdown did this amazingly well, so I personally expect a good time out of this.

Opinion on being bored with the gameplay? Sure. Nothing wrong with that. The gamut of possible actions and gameplay that reveals itself as a result may not for everyone. Nothing appeals to everyone. Not even Earthbound or FF6. But dismissive such as you are simply because it seems popular is quite aggrivating. Dismissive because "oh, well, I didn't enjoy the others and here's why" makes a lot more sense, though.

But keep trolling it the fuck up. Awesome.

Never said they sucked because they were popular. I said I didn't understand why they were popular. My reason for hating them is because I've hated all the others. You know, if one of your crew had the sense of Tails (can't believe I had to say that and mean it) and just said "online is fucking GREAT with your buddies" I'd have gotten it. I still don't see how a 10 out of 10 happens.

A 10 out of 10 happens for the multitude of reasons we all know it happens for. Gaming journalism is a complete joke, to assume otherwise is to be wrong.

Have I misinterpretted your comment? I thought you were refering to "why are we excited?", not "why did it score so well on major sites?". The second seems like such a blatantly obvious rhetorical question that I assumed you were just asking the first.

It seems that you're locked into the mindset of not liking it due to disliking the last few, and that's totally acceptable. Not your cup of tea, but that begs the question of why you were asking in the first place? Seems like more trolling.

As someone who hasn't played the game, I think I am in the best position to say why I think it got a perfect 10:

Guns
Hookers
Curse words

Today's hardcore gamer eats this shit up to make them feel cooler.



Ok, in all honesty, based on the wonderful experiences I've had with previous GTA games, I can only guess that it expands upon their great use of open-world gameplay, which seems evident in the videos I've been watching. It's just limitless gameplay, and if it's something you enjoy (which I do), it's essentially limitless fun. Combine that with the fact that it controls well, has great visuals, great soundtrack, and from what I've heard a fantastic story, it's bound to be great. Perfect? We'll see. Aside from the obvious gaming journalism bullshit, I'm not entirely shocked it's getting the praise it's getting.

To be honest, it looks leaps and bounds better than any other GTA game I've seen. I'm not gonna turn my nose up at GTA. It's not my thing, period. But I can see the appeal, even if certain mechanics are sketchy, it has the benefit of zeitgeist and trend setting and all that shit. The same way Devil May Cry and Final Fantasy VII get their props and their jeers and what not.

What's the appeal? I guess people like running around killing shit, doing missions, collecting shit. It's open ended and taps all the right gamer OCD buttons in an environment really appealing to some people. Fact of life. I tend to despise playing through most RPGs, yet I'll, like Skills, appreciate Ikaruga and play it in an attempt at perfection for god knows what reason.

I'm sure it's not gonna be perfect, gaming journalism has zero credibility for a lot of players and I can see the reasons why quite clearly and how they hold up... but I think it looks like a decent game this time around. Over the shoulder aiming? WHAT A CONCEPT! And maybe, just maybe, it was passable in all those other installments most of us passed over.

I just read through the review, and though many are willing to dismiss reviewers for doing their job, I want to quote the very last paragraph from IGN's review, which in my opinion, helps justify such a rating (which I was extremely skeptical about at first):

I challenge you to take the 10-15 minutes to read the review. Seriously, see why they rated it that way. I'm sorry Deni, but based on what you said, it's far too transparent that you looked at the score and simply dismissed it completely. I'm not dismissing the possibility or likelihood of exaggeration, but after reading the review, I'm going to give the game its chance without thinking back on any judgments from previous titles.

If my experiences quell my prejudice towards the game, then I am more than happy to let Rockstar Games prove me wrong.