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aku Mar 27, 2006 10:51 PM
yes, that was what i was trying to infussize on my last post :p...i would recommend paying the 9.99 all 9 times, Soon to be 10(crosses fingers) and buy it, if not check it out from your awsome local librery :)

MrSatan Mar 28, 2006 01:25 AM
thanx for the info aku, today i was on a bookstore and i saw evangelion mangas, but i bought some macross 7trash, i think ill have to wait so next week.

Hipstomp Mar 28, 2006 03:25 PM
Soon to be 10? Does it imply that the Evangelion manga's aren't finished? I'm assuming the manga came before the anime - am I incorrect? Or does the manga steer the plot into a different direction than the anime?

Rei no Otaku Mar 28, 2006 03:46 PM
In Eva's case the manga did not come before the anime. They actually came out around the same time. While the anime was handled by Hideaki Anno, the manga is done by Sadamoto, the character designer. It's kind of the same plot, but it goes in completely different directions with it.

I much prefer the anime, I didn't care for the manga myself.

aku Mar 28, 2006 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rei no Otaku
In Eva's case the manga did not come before the anime. They actually came out around the same time. While the anime was handled by Hideaki Anno, the manga is done by Sadamoto, the character designer. It's kind of the same plot, but it goes in completely different directions with it.

I much prefer the anime, I didn't care for the manga myself.
Yeah, because Rei doesnt seem to play as much of a role in the manga as she does in the anime...I like them both, the manga gets more into the minds of the charaters, where as the anime kinda let you guess abit more what the charaters might be thinking at some points

Rei no Otaku Mar 28, 2006 03:55 PM
You're right. The manga is far too Shinji-centric.

Yuna Apr 8, 2006 09:01 AM
I am a fan of the Evangelion anime but I have to say, I hated the manga.
When Evamgelion manga was licensed in my country I was all happy but after reading it ... it was such a let down.
I'm not trying to start a fight between what's better, manga or anime. But I didn't have the feeling the manga was lacking something there is in the anime.
To be honest, most of the time, I find animes to be better than their manga counterparts, with a few exceptions. So maybe, as I am more inclined to like animes, I didn't like this manga.

aku Apr 10, 2006 08:29 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...cam/evaV10.jpg
Volume 10 is out in Japan! that means that its only a matter of time before its here!

tidus1222 Apr 15, 2006 12:12 AM
Evangelion is beautifull until you watch the two last episodes without seeing the movies.

Arkhangelsk Apr 15, 2006 12:37 AM
See, I much prefer the manga. The storyline is more streamlined and (hopefully) won't go all apeshit at the end like it did in the anime. Not to mention certain people die when they seem to. Much more dramatic, that way. I thought the story had more push to it in the manga than the anime as well. That and I adore Sadamoto's artwork. Since I'm not a Rei fanatic, I don't care that her role is rather downplayed.

Not to mention I'm looking forward to the Shinji/Kaoru slashy stuff in Volume 10 ;).

reborn2142 Apr 15, 2006 06:08 AM
basically everything up to ep. 14 was good. after that everthing just seemed messed up. the whole christianity thing, plot that seemed to go nowhere and characters you liked or thought was cool suddenly seemed stupid

Chris Dark Apr 20, 2006 07:03 AM
... How can we be to page 5 and have not mentioned Ideon yet?

Hell, give Shinji an afro and orange hair and we're all set.

By the way, before I forget, I got to page 3 before wanting to beat aku. I think that's an accomplishment.

aku Apr 20, 2006 08:33 AM
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... How can we be to page 5 and have not mentioned Ideon yet?

Hell, give Shinji an afro and orange hair and we're all set.

By the way, before I forget, I got to page 3 before wanting to beat aku. I think that's an accomplishment.
Really? it took you that long? it takes most people 5 seconds. I just have seen the show, afew too many times, and have had too many arguements with people that have done the same :p

Misogynyst Gynecologist Apr 20, 2006 08:40 AM
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Evangelion is beautifull until you watch the two last episodes without seeing the movies.
Yeah, because I hate things that make me think.

I don't understand people's distaste towards the final episodes. It's not an esoteric thing - it's just a matter of paying attention to it. Too many people want to be catered to and have shit spelled out for them and laid at their feet. Why is it so hard to leave the story with a self-interpreting ending? Thats much more satisfactory than being utterly literal after having throw-away pesudo-christian symbolism and dramatic machina events that are there for nothing more than directorial shock value.

It's not like Eva took a major chance in being a little more obtuse than most stories - for every dumbass who hates the end, theres two dumbasses who say "No one understands the series like I do".

aku Apr 20, 2006 09:05 AM
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Yeah, because I hate things that make me think.

I don't understand people's distaste towards the final episodes. It's not an esoteric thing - it's just a matter of paying attention to it. Too many people want to be catered to and have shit spelled out for them and laid at their feet. Why is it so hard to leave the story with a self-interpreting ending? Thats much more satisfactory than being utterly literal after having throw-away pesudo-christian symbolism and dramatic machina events that are there for nothing more than directorial shock value.

It's not like Eva took a major chance in being a little more obtuse than most stories - for every dumbass who hates the end, theres two dumbasses who say "No one understands the series like I do".
Agreed, that last 2 episodes are what make Evangelion Evangelion. i mean honestly, the way it ended was what made me love it inthe first place(and watch it 5 times through the week i got the box set). There is no real way to say you understand what its saying, because its a draw your own concultion on exactly what its saying. At the end, it says in the show it self, that the problem with the truth is that a truth for one person doesnt have to be a truth for another, meaning, 2 people looking at the same thing can see 2 different things, it is called perspective. There is no one answer to the end, it is a door to open up your mind to a new way of thinking. This is what they go on about for like 10 mins in the final episode.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Apr 20, 2006 09:58 AM
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There is no one answer to the end, it is a door to open up your mind to a new way of thinking. This is what they go on about for like 10 mins in the final episode.
I think the thing thats so great about the last two episodes is that they take the characters out of context of the series and place them in a "fourth wall stage" enviroment. It's the fact that the characters become self-aware that they're actors and thusly are more than the plot that makes it so gratifying.

Spatula Apr 20, 2006 10:28 AM
This was quite some time ago, a few years back where my friend has described to me the last two episodes and how he was severley disappointed with how it concluded. This was even before I ever heard of the NGE series. So when I watched the series, I sort of knew what to expect at the end. When I watched it, I wasn't so much "disappointed", rather, I was bored. I'll have to rewatch the series at least once more to pick up on the parts I missed or overlooked, as well as have a look at EOE again. I still don't quite have a full understanding of the "background" actors and characters such as SEELE, and Gendo's ultimate agenda.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Apr 20, 2006 10:50 AM
While I like the majority of EOE, it's silly that people seem to like that more because it has more slambang action at the start and an even more obtuse ending.

Spatula Apr 20, 2006 11:06 AM
I personally find the ending of the TV series more "mentally digestible" than EOE. I don't think I can look at Rei wth adorning eyes quite the same way after seeing her "new doo".

SouthJag Apr 20, 2006 11:24 AM
The series could have well had two different endings.

As far I'm concerned, the series' ending was allright, if not entirely appropriate. I know that Shinji was the lead character in the series, but I felt the ending focused too much on him and not enough on Nerv and the Angels. It was still a decent ending, but it only gave me closure for one character, disregarding Misato, Asuka, Rei, Gendo, Fuyutski, and the rest of the Nerv personnel.

End of Evangelion's ending was....severely stranger, but combined with Rebirth, that ending felt a little more appropriate. It closed the chapter for Asuka, essentially, and Misato. Rei...well yeah, that was a little odd. But the climactic finish felt a little more deserving than Shinji's psychological breakdown and build-up.

aku Apr 20, 2006 11:48 AM
for the last time, they have the same endings, the tv and movies that is, if you watch and listen very closely you will figure it out...just read some of my earlyer posts...they explain it better...and the fact that Anno himself said they where the same, kinda makes my point valid

Spatula Apr 20, 2006 11:57 AM
Yes Aku, I hear you, and I do share the same "interpretation" (or in some people's minds as the difinitive ending) that the TV series being what's going on inside Shinji's head, and EOE showing what's going on in the real world. Although, it looks like this time the mind seems a bit more happy than the real world.

SouthJag Apr 20, 2006 12:04 PM
I never got that impression at all.

Spoiler:
In the series, it ended with Shinji finally accepting himself for who he is, correct? And everyone congratulated him on "finding himself." In EoE though, I thought that became a god of sorts and was able to reshape the world the way he wanted it.


Of course, it's been a looong time since I've seen the movies. You know, RahXephon does a much better job of telling this kind of tale.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Apr 20, 2006 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by aku
and the fact that Anno himself said they where the same, kinda makes my point valid
Work on your spelling.

And "similar" does not mean "same".

Rei no Otaku Apr 20, 2006 01:17 PM
Didn't I already go over this earlier?
ending:
The TV ending, and EoE are the same up to a certain point. In the TV ending Shinji accepts contemplation, and he rejects it in EoE. I think it's pretty obvious. Everyone congratulating him at the end of the series, is basically him reaching that perfect world. That's why it's an almost disturbingly happy ending. In EoE Shinji rejects that fake world in favor of the real world. A world where he'll feel pain once again.

So yes, up until the choice they are the same. Misato gets shot in both, Ritsuko dies in the pool of LCL, Asuka fights the MP Evas etc. But Shinji either chooses differently or he's never given the choice in the first place. To me it seems like Rei never rebelled against Gendo in the TV ending. She accepted her fate, thus denying Shinji the chance to choose differently.


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