Oh now come on. It's a cool (stupid?) touch to just one of the songs :p.

EDIT: Now see here, you just got done talking about Nightwish's new album, you don't get to say anything about ANY band being undeniably gay :p.

IM IN LOVE WITH MY LUST
BURNING ANGEL WINGS TO DUST
I WISH I HAD AN ANGEL TONIGHT

Yeah, let's disregard the huge influence of Christian "classical" music on ... what really ? ... all modern music ?

And Christian music came from something else itself, which came from something else ... etc ...

But you can choose to see the world as a bunch of small isolated tiny boxes if you wish ~

You forgot "technically competent but flat, dull, emotionless and without any personality whatsoever" somewhere in that sentence.

??? Did you per chance forgot to read the "those" word from my post, which clearly showed I was specifically indicating the christians who tried to make "black" metal? Because otherwise, that's one hell of a strawman you got there.

I don't know much about her (and don't care enough) to comment on her personality. The rest is obviously a matter of opinion. Actually I don't even know how you'd define "flat, dull, emotionless" in regard to a singer who's technically competent :confused: Just say you hate her guts and be done with it *g*

Zorro

The point is, she's no different from any other standard pop singer.

Jesus, that's harsh *g* Whether you like her voice or not, whether you like her music or not, but you cannot possibly even remotely consider comparing her to the homo sapiens parodies that clog the charts.

Zorro

I don't see what's exactly wrong with the Dark Passion Play album; I find it to be a pretty decent one, just like Once. It's pretty simple, if you liked Once, you will like this. While I have to agree that DPP doesn't really bring anything new to their library, aside a new singer, it's still the same formula that was used for their previous album. Personally, I like such formula, but wouldn't mind a heavier touch to it. Just don't think Anette is another "pop" singer, or a piece of shit like it has been told before.

On a sidenote, just got into Arch enemy, and it's pretty damn good. Still amazed how Angela Gossow can pull such vocals... Was actually surprised that the vocalist is a female after listening to a few tracks of the Rise Of The Tyrant album. Any opinions or fans of this band?

I'm mostly indifferent to her voice, but you have to admit it's pretty standard. I'm referring to the Evanescence chick btw.. I haven't heard the new Nightwish vocalist and I don't really feel the need to.

Well, if Amy Lee's voice is standard, I sure wanna live in your world ;)

Zorro

P.S.: The new Nightwish singer's voice is... hm... well, it works, but nothing special. She can sing, and she doesn't torture me with opera howling like her predecessor.

As far as I can tell, Nightwish=Lacuna Coil=Evanescence

It's all the same shit: slightly altered but still pretty boring nu-metal that sells because there are a lot of sad, sad metal fans who think listening to a band fronted by a pretty girl will somehow get them laid.

Don't get pissy at me about feminism or anything either, I like a lot of female artists in a lot of genres, but this get-a-goth-girl-in-a-corset nonsense is fucking played out.

Yeah, what I was saying is basically that I don't believe in lyrical themes defining music. Oh well we're just running in circles now. =j

Yup, just like Celtic Frost = Six Feet Under = Bolt Thrower. It's roughly the same genre, for christ's sake. Within it, Nightwish do the theatrical shtick, Evanescence are nu-metallic pop, and Lacuna Coil, well, if they got rid of this Andrea monkey who can neither sing nor shout if his life depended on it and looks like he's just escaped from an animal testing center, they could be much better. But all in all they're all shit because they're fronted by a female singer and they're popular, and whoever listens to their music of course doesn't do so because of the actual music, no, no :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, Nightwish gives me the runs - although I have yet to check out the new album -, I can listen to Evanescence without throwing up - I think some of their songs are actually pretty good -, and I have some Lacuna Coil songs which I really like, although most of their stuff doesn't do much for me. Then there's the ladies: Tarja looks just plain ugly to me (her successor doesn't look much better), Amy Lee is rather plain, neither ugly nor pretty, and Cristina Scabbia looks pretty hot in make-up and pretty not without it. So I don't see the "ooohhh, boobies!" reaction they're supposed to trigger in sad metal fans.

"I don't like it" doesn't equal "bad". For instance, I can't stand listening to Black Metal for more than half a minute without feeling the urge to drive a screwdriver into my ears. So I know shit about BM, and just because I don't like it I'm in no position to say, "It's just excruciating noise, performed by grunting losers in ridiculous make-up."

Zorro

I don't think the music is awful, I think the music is positively mediocre at every level. The fact is, if these bands had male lead singers, or maybe even if they didn't shove their lead singer in a corset and white makeup at every single photoshoot, they wouldn't sell a single record.

Your Celtic Frost analogy doesn't make an ounce of sense.

Ditto on that.

I like Nightwish in the same way I like other mediocre music. There's nothing that stands out about it or makes me want to run out and tell other people about them. I listen to it, but that's about it.

Well, except maybe "I Wish I Had An Angel." That song, and especially the music video, is just so hilarious I can't help but want to share it with others.

That's not a fact, but to some extent I agree. But Tarja's opera dress was part of the concept, I don't have the slightest idea how Amy Lee's outfits look, and frankly, I may have seen Cristina Scabbia in a corset once. Mostly it's male boots, dark pants with or without snap hooks, and her favorite clothes for her upper body seem to be an untucked white shirt with a tie or this black and red rag. You say corset, the first band I have to think of is Within Temptation, not the bands above.

As for photo shoots - oh God, she dresses nicely, how could she? Seriously, it's to be expected. Why wouldn't she?

Then again, there are so many bands with male leads that should be forgotten - yet they're successful enough. So we don't know how successful anyone would be with a singer of the opposite gender. By the way, I consider Evanescence and Lacuna Coil to be above average from a musical standpoint, even though I don't love much of what they do. Looking at Amy Lee doesn't do anything for me, although Scabbia looks hot sometimes - as long as you can deliberately forget how she looks in private.

I'd be much more inclined to agree here. I wouldn't use the term "mediocre" - because I don't listen to music I consider mediocre (according to my taste, that is) -, but yes, none of the above are so special that they make me want to spread the word.

Zorro

I don't think how Amy Lee dresses is relevant to the music to be honest. I also don't think she's ever worn white make up, she's just naturally pale =D.

Most of my favourite bands are female fronted, so naturally i'm going to disagree with a lot of what's being said about them not being able to sing and the music itself being mediocre. However, I know that Evanescence's 'Fallen' had the same damn guitar riff for almost every song, and if Amy Lee's vocals aren't your cup of tea then you're not going to like Evanescence much. 'The Open Door' is a wonderful album in terms of music, the guitars are a lot more intricate. But alas, if you don't like Amy Lee's voice then you're not going to like it! It's the same with any band, for me anyway, if the vocals are shit then the music has got to be something else for me to like them - and even grow to like the vocals.

Nightwish, Tarja was always going to be a hit and miss with her vocals. Even for me when I first heard their music, her vocals didn't quite sink in with me. But I heard something in the music that caught my attention, which is why I grew to like Tarja's voice. The music itself can be considered over the top and sometimes cheesy, but Wish I Had An Angel is a great song if you can get over the initial "What the fuck?" stage. It's definitely a grower. Nightwish's music is fantastic, but then again i've always loved the concept of rock/metal with orchestration. Anette is a great singer, sure she doesn't have a mind blowingly amazing voice but she does the job and she does it well.

Cristina Scabbia has a great voice, I think it fits perfectly with the music.

As for looks, Tarja had a strange kind of beauty, Anette is more cute than anything, Cristina is hot and Amy Lee is beautiful.

I keep hearing the "pop" singer tag being thrown around, and quite frankly it's bullshit. What defines a pop singer? There's a range of voices that appear in popular charted music, there isn't a fixed meaning to the word "pop". All vocalists have their own style, such as all the females in metal have their own style.

The pop singer tag is thrown around because these bands have taken a genre that exists really solely to be confrontational and have kind of bastardized it into radio friendly jingles. It's pop music dressed up for halloween. If that's your thing, I'm fine with that. Just don't pretend it's something it isn't.

A genre that exists solely to be confrontational? You're kidding, right? By the definiton you just made up here nothing is Metal that isn't unsuccessful, underground, political or just confrontational for confrontation's sake, I take it?

Zorro who didn't know Motörhead was a pop band

That's not what I said at all. "Confrontational" does not mean any of the things you listed.

I like a lot of pop music. I'm not shitting on pop music. Just call things for what they are. I'm not going to argue this anymore.

Well, but I still have no idea what Metal is supposed to be, according to you.

Zorro

I think it's great when rock and metal get some airplay on the radio. The more people aware of this amazing genre of music, the better.

Excellently put. Regardless, I don't think anyone here is using pop as a dirty word. I'm sure we all enjoy a fair amount of pop music, but I don't really think metal works in the form of radio friendly jingles... Like knkwzrd said, it's cool if you're into that, but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

New Arkona was released today and it freakin rocks. Second listen so far, will update that. =)

* After a couple listens, I can tell it's not as good as their latest. Still pretty awesome though.

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Unfortunately 99% of people will be all like 'fuck this noise' and pop in a Britanna Aguilopez CD.

And people wonder why metalheads are perceived as closed-minded.

True, but there's a very small percentage who do like it!