Haha wow. I didn't know about the One-hit KO Clause or the Species Clause. Though I don't think that's anything to sweat over. The Evasion Clause doesn't seem necessary in my opinion. Crash just said it for me, if you make a sweeper team it'll be your own fault for not preparing to fight a DT staller. You have Defog, Aerial Ace, Swift, Lock On, Foresight~ and they're all at your disposal.

Besides, this is more like a practice tournament. I'd like to see how our matches fold out. At least this way I will know what to improve on next time. IF this becomes a regular thing.

Nope!
You don't need to tell me or anyone what items you're using. Though after reading about this Enigma berry, it's pretty damn potent. So, I'd like it if that item would not be used in this tournament. I'll just edit that into the rules.

edit:

Okay, these are some rules that I read and have played by

This would be a very cheap thing to do which is why Double Team is pretty much banned

Ninjask
Substitue
Double Team
Baton Pass
Swords Dance

Now you could technically use mean look (not sure how it affects substitue, if you have it prepared but if you have someone use substitue for a long time, ninjasks speed will go through the roof, using double team and swords dance, then use Baton pass to pull in Gyrados and have him Use Hyperbeam or something. Thats why 2X team is banned.

The OHKO rule is kind of one of those things that if you hit someone with Gillotene or something, it kinda takes any strategy out of the game. pop in 6 pinsirs all with G-tine and have em use it every time, its bound to hit.

And the other rule I've played with is a no Legendary rule (this also includes Zapdos, Articuno, Moltres and Mew2) And no Uber Pokemon rule.

I don't exactly understand why wobba wobba got banned..sure his hp is through the roof but so is Happiny and Snorlax

And EV's are affected with the lev 100 push...either that or Tyrannitar is naturally faster than a raichu

And with items, usually there is a rule where you can only have ONE item, no duplicates and then also a no more than 2 baton pass rule as well as a no more than 2 pokemon may be asleep rule

Anyways, there is my view point

I'd abide to the only one item rule, but then it would mean deciding on keeping the Expert Belt of either Alakazam or Lucario...

Yeah, the whole purpose of it though is like 6 Leftovers or 6 shell bells..or in your case 999 LawL

By one item you don't mean just one item on ONE pokemon the whole time and no items on the other 5?

But yeah, I would like to enter the tournament. I'm trying to round up more gffer's that play to see if they're interested or not.

I do have one question, however.
What if you put your own to sleep?

True. :)

But I'm not that cheap when it comes to attaching items. They usually vary from Pokemon to Pokemon in my game. There's just certain ones I'd slap on to others multiple times, which in my case, is the Expert Belt, but that's only with two Pokemon.

As for the one item rule, it's you can only have ONE of a certain item in your team. All six Pokemon can hold items, but all six must be different from each other.

Like I thought.


It's Unown time.

So there's absolutely no counter to this strategy? I thought there are a few moves in the game that can go through substitute. But if there really is no way to break this combo aside from Choice Specs + Ice Shard or a Trick Room Team then maybe I should ban the use of evasion techniques.

Anyone agree or disagree?

Well the odds are extremely stacked against a team of all OHKO'ers if you think about it. So many things could stop them. Protect, abilities that cancel out OHKO moves, and probably Focus Sash to name a few. I don't see how it's a real problem unless everyone decides to use the move with all their pokemon.

Bleh I'll add them to the listing, the birds that is. Thanks for catching that.

I believe it has more to do with its no escape ability that's coupled with its move set. Wobbuffets seems to only have one purpose and that purpose is to just sit there and absorb/reflect hits.

Maybe the Tyannitar had a Choice Scarf?

Even with a negative speed nature Raichu it's still faster than a Tyrannitar with a positive speed nature (if EVs aren't considered.)
Buuut it is possible if the Tyrannitar was trained with 252 speed EVs and the Raichu had no EV training in that stat. Of course this can only happen if Raichu had no positive speed nature while Tyrannitar did.

Well I'm not going to restrict everyone from using what they want. Use six leftovers if you want, though I can't say that's the best setup for hold items.
I'm sure most of us will stick with a different item on each of their pokemon. I know I will.

You can put your whole team to sleep if you want. The clause is in effect when you make a pokemon on the opposing side sleep.



Anyway, once the rules are ironed out I think I'll close sign ups and begin this tournament by Friday, July 27th.

- Psych Up
- Aerial Ace
- Aura Sphere
- Magical Leaf
- Swift

Any attacks that don't miss and you can even out the miss odds with Psych Up, since it just copies what you opponent has set up. I used that against a friend on a marching band trip we were on, I didn't expect him to use Psych Up, and he ended up destroying my Ninjask that had set up the move. From that point on, I had problems dealing with the Medicham he has sent out to match Ninjask's stats.

There are ways to counter it, but people want to be in and out with battles, they don't wanna take the time to break through the defenses and sit through a long battle.

With my team, I could beat down someone who uses Double Team with no problem at all. Well... Some considering type matchings, but I have a way to counter it if it happens to me.

I dunno about the rest of you though.

True, I just thought a way to destroy a 2x team is to just disable 2xTeam

back to driving in CA

If the legendary birds are going to be banned, shouldn't the other legendaries be banned too? I don't know if that was an oversight or not, but I figure I should point that out before somebody brings a team of Regis through a technicality.

Anyway, I do have some counters to Double Teaming, but those plans take forever to execute. I'm not going to spoil anything by saying how they work though. Anybody whose played me before should know what I'm talking about. :p

Well, Usually the legendary rule follows any Legendary pokemon. Basically, if you aren't sure its a legendary, you're best not to use it.

Because there would be a huge list

since you have the Regis, the Fairys and all kinds of stuff to place into that

Yeah, I wasn't exactly sure if Kairyu neglected to place the rest of the legendaries on this tournament's banned list intentionally. I didn't see them, so I figure I'd ask.

Yes it was an oversight. I'm out to lunch so I'm bound to make errors =p.
I'll try to correct that list again when I have time. But for now no legendaries means no legendaries!

wait-

Usually doubleteam is the only evasive move banned (as far as I've seen >_>.)

If you're too impatient to win.... was it really worth it?

To me, that's just means you're unprepared for the battle. A good trainer would be ready for anything.

The antidote is very simple.

Protect.
Then while Gyarados is recovering, Haze.

Back on even ground.

And there's plenty of Hazers out there, all of which can learn Protect.

A well-timed Sucker Punch could also do the trick.


Also, define "Legendary". Personally, I don't have a huge problem with the birds or dogs. I still think Skarmory is a bigger threat than Moltres or Suicune. And I've never had an issue with Jiraichi.

What about stuff like Cresselia, Heatran or Rotom? Are they legendary too now?

I'm just wondering if Phione falls into that category also...

No. Cresslia is an event, and Rotom/Heatran aren't legendary. Neither is Phione.

Really, you should use the list for the old legendaries, then say "Pokemon past #XXX, including X, X, and X, are banned."

Ah. I may have killed myself here.
I ran into a list online, and this tends to be a consensus..

this list seems to be what everybody follows, be it legit, fair play, or anything else.

The 2006 Pokemon Challenge came up with some interesting ways to get to this. (an Adobe acrobat reader-link, so make sure you can view it)

and of course, everybody who went to the gamestop tournament recognizes

Alright I'm back, to answer Crash's question about Legendary Pokemon. It usually means the follow things:
- They are one of a kind
- Cannot be bred
- Have very high base stats (usually 580 and up)

Now I don't know if Phione or Rotom can be considered "Legendary" Pokemon. For all I know, they could be pre-evolution forms of a Pokemon in a future game. But their base stats kinda say otherwise.

So I've come up with a new listing of Pokemon we shouldn't use. Rather than saying "No Legendary Pokemon Allowed." Because even that is starting to confuse me with all its exceptions.
How about we not allow any Pokemon with a base stat of 600 and up? That would be:

Arceus
Mewtwo
Lugia
Ho-oh
Rayquaza
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Slaking
Kyogre
Groudon
Regigigas
Dragonite
Mew
Tyranitar
Celebi
Salamence
Metagross
Latias
Latios
Jirachi
Deoxys (all forms)
Garchomp
Heatran
Cresselia
Manaphy
Darkrai
Shaymin

Along with the few ubers like:
Wobbuffet
Wynaut

That seems to cover everything plus some of the overused pokemon like Tyrannitar and Salamence.
Eh, I'm still fairly shaky on what to allow and not allow since you can literally make a "cheap" combo out of any bracket. It's hard to find a good middle ground :gonk:.

How the fuck did Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Dragonite get into there? Thats b/s since they aren't legendary

I'm not so down with the 600 Base idea. I have a Dragonite on my team, and me not being able to use it destroys half my strategy for this tournament.

Slash, their base stats are over/at 600.

Slaking - 670 (Just weighed down by a horrendous ability)
Dragonite, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp - 600

:|

I already knew thats why but like I said...thats b/s.

Haha, I thought not.
I have a Dragonite too and as my only OU pokemon in the team I'll be severely weakened as well. If you want to start counting points.
So, maybe we should simply stick with the "standard" ban list everybody else seems to use?

Yes that means you can use your Birds, Regis, Manaphy and even Rotom.
I need ideas people :(.

I'd say ban the Birds, Regis, the Dogs, and Manaphy.

Rotom, I'd say is alright. I see that thing wedged into normal teams in PBR anyway.