*inhalessharply* I get that feeling, too ;)

Zorro

Turisas - Rasputin (Boney M cover) xD

Uh, you realize that's a Wasp album, right?

7. No Prayer for the Dying

Crap, you knew which one I meant. I looked for "Dying" in iTunes and that must've been on top.

Turisas vid is lol with pimp-man and club whores.

I actually loathe the pimp and whores parts. Guess it's that necessary nowadays. Fucking hip hop culture. ~_~

I was linking it for the music, really. =p

The non-Dickinson era is great? Classics such as Purgatory or Phantom of the Opera are their best songs ever and... oh wait, you mean that era. Blech. :P

Who the wha??
Edit: Did you mean "No Prayer for the Dying"?

AMOLAD over Somewhere in Time... Hmm.

http://www.gardenofeden.net/lil/failboat.jpg

Do it. It has some of their finest songwriting, and his voice is rougher and gruffier than Bruce, but it fits their early style perfectly well.

Turbo over Defenders? I'd repost the pic above but it'd be redundant. :P Seriously, WTF.

DO GET their seventies albums, though, they are their very best (other than maybe Painkiller for which I have soft spot for). Stained Class, Sad Wings and Sin After Sin are among the finest heavy metal albums of all time.

They're a hit & miss band for me. Most of the songs I like are from the early 80s, except Lochness from their latest album, which is probably my favorite Judas Priest song, ever.

But when I like their songs, I REALLY like them.

Small mix-up in iTunes...I knew it had "Dying" in the name, but I pulled the name of a W.A.S.P. album instead. See above.


Outside of "Deja Vu", Somewhere in Time just didn't click with me oddly enough (considering it's between PS and Seventh Son). Too much of it just felt like they were trying to tell stories at the expense of the actual songs and they did it much better on Seventh Son. AMOLAD is a love-hate album, but "These Colors Don't Run" ended up being one of my favorite Maiden songs and "Different World" (a pretty straight-forward rocker, but a good one) was stronger than anything I heard from SWIT.

Let's just say it's nice hearing carefree glam metal with Downing/Tipton at the helm (though it sounded weird for Halford's vocals...Kind of like how "Living After Midnight" sounds out of place). "Locked In" has a killer solo in it and it's probably my favorite Priest song after "Electric Eye". Without that one...Yeah, I'd have to put Defenders second.

So fucking agreed. Sad Wings of Destiny is 100% awesomeness. Though yeah, Painkiller rawks.

Get some Black Sabbath while you're at it. =p

Oh, and Turisas and Finntroll are in Paris soon !!! \m/

Man, every time I turn around there's some wicked show you're about to see. Fuck Paris. >=(

heh, and we get like 5% of what Germany gets. ;_;

So after Arvinger, I've been listening to some more "Christian Black Metal". Yeah, I was surprised to discover an entire scene hidden there, and it's full of good shit too. Bands like Antestor, Horde, Slechtvalk, Vaakevandring or Crimson Moonlight definitely have something special going on. I'd be curious to hear more opinions.

You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Horde? Bahahahahahahhaha.

Btw, there is no such thing as "christian black metal".

Aw. I wasn't expecting *you* to fall in that kind of cliches. =p

BTW, your database says otherwise.

I'm seeing Moonsorrow in March. :D They're supporting this band you might have heard of. Children of something-or-another, I dunno; they're kind of lame.

Moonsorrow live ! I'll eventually have to travel to see them one of these days, as it doesnt seem they'll ever be playing in France.

Still contemplating going to that Ragnarok festival in Germany this year ...

Fuck you guys and your live metal shows... all we get here are MTV pop groups, boybands, and emogay rockstars. :( We have local metal bands though, but they only play boring generic death metal songs.

Cliché? Black metal is not compatible with christianity, period. It's simply ridiculous, it's like having satanic gospel or death metal about love and puppies.
My database lists Horde as "black" metal: note the quotes. Horde uses bm aesthetics, but has none of the meaning. It's a complete joke, and they also happen to suck despite the christianity anyway.

Ah-ha, a band that I saw twice that you didn't. :P

I could use my msn messenger and recommend a French concert to Sorvali. |D But I think he's too busy playing WoW, as is the rest of the band.

Krelian, you're actually going to a... Children of something-or-another concert? ._.

I really don't think the lyrical content is that important as long as the music is good. Of course the lyrics are going to influence the general atmosphere, and "Black" / Unblack / White (lol) metal does sound different, but I happen to like it.

Seriously, I realize Horde is purely satirical, but did you honestly gave stuff like Arvinger or Antestor a chance ?

And bleh, how are Moonsorrow live btw ? I really can't imagine.

Sorvali, Kishin ?

I don't limit my black metal choices just based on lyrical content. Having an entire genre of music being limited upon the lyrical content is just silly anyway. Music is defined by the sound, and when I can barely make out what the hell they are saying anyway, it makes little difference to me whether they are praising Satan or God.

A friend of mine in Canada said that they played the longer of the two songs from their newest album when they did a show there, and it was infuckingcredible.

I am eager.

No, and I never will. Call me narrow-minded if you want, but I'm not going to waste time on worthless contradictory garbage when there is so much other good music out there to seek.

They are amazing, though I would have preferred if they hadn't played that long song (I think most of it is filler). The rest was awesome though.

Oh boy... Where to begin.
Music isn't just a bunch of sound waves. Music is an art form, and as such, an expression of human ideas. A song can have an atmosphere, moods, feelings, and thoughts, and this can happen *gasp* even without lyrics! Similar-styled songs by similar-styled bands form a genre. One of those genre, black metal, is represented by its raw, primitive, hateful, gritty, christian-hating feel. Therefore, it makes absolutely no sense to have black metal singing about Jesus and christianity (or Judaism for that matter, I should have said "Abraham-religion-hating feel" but it sounded more awkward :P). If you don't care about the meaning behind the music and just like to hear pleasant sound waves, fine, go ahead, but don't start saying it's silly that a genre is "silly that a genre is limited upon the lyrical content", because that's misleading and inaccurate, not to mention false. Black metal isn't limited to anti-christianity: it can be about satanism and anti-christianity, yes, but also about rebellion, individuality and rejection of modern PCness, war, violence, paganism, mythology, history, nihilism, and even more unpleasant subjects like racism and national socialism. Those things are not incompatible per se. But preaching of christianity is simply not compatible, and neither is singing about love or flowers (doesn't a "black metal love song" strike you as genuinely ridiculous? well, it should, and the same :rolleyes: should occur if you encounter "christian 'black' metal"). I would say the same thing about death metal: a death metal love song is just as stupid as "christian death metal". Note that I'm not talking about having elements from christian mythology (e.g. Dante's Inferno by Iced Earth isn't "christian metal"), but specifically about pro-christian themes and worse, preaching.
Music isn't created in a void. Those thoughts that drive an artist to create his work are what fuels him and his creation, whether there are lyrics or not. You can't just separate the two because they are intrisically linked. Most genres of music don't have specific thematics (or if you prefer, "restrictions", though I find this needlessly pejorative and misleading), but some do, with varying ranges: gospel music, black metal, straight edge punk, folk music (to a certain extent, in some subgenres at least), to name a few.

Never thought I'd have to write so much about a genre I don't really care that much for (I only like a handful of black metal bands)... but I see the "it's just sound!" argument so much it's starting to itch. ;)

So anyways, I just discovered Svartsot.

**Hidden Content**

Danish people make crazy music.

I get what you say, Morrigan, but then the question of why these people choose to do what they do must be asked. Of course, I guess it could be said that it's just a reactionary preachy thing but meh ... Antestor exists since 1991, and listening to their albums, there's no doubt they put a lot of themselves into their music. To me, they actually find their way of expression in "black metal", and it's not just evangelism and provocation.

And when you think of it, maybe Unblack Metal should actually be a genre, if lyrical content is so defining of what Black Metal is.

Anyway, it's cool that EM still lists them.

Hey thanks Vemp. Good stuff !