It depends though because it's a good cliffhanger in the sense that everyone will be wondering what direction the shows going in now: If we knew what Naomi's bunch wanted than there probably would be less guessing and less theories until the season 4. A bit like the cliffhanger to the first series, when they discover the hatch: the only thing we knew about it was that it was pretty deep.

Anyway, after seeing the episode I have been thinking about the whole alternative reality thing: it defnately interests me. Jacks life before the plane crash was pretty awful, as we already know, however, there must be something seriously wrong with everything now, especially for him to see the island as an alternative.
In terms of the whole, his dad still being alive thing: I see the possibility that from all the drinking etc, he could be speaking gibberish. For example, when he says to the doctor "Go and get my father from upstairs, if he is more drunk than me...."...this could be a rash outburst of bitterness but I'm really not sure.

And what about the fact that we saw Jack's Dad on the Island in Season 1 as well as the coffin being empty?

lol - I might just re-watch both episodes to see if I can pick anything else up: there is quite a bit to think about anyway.

Isn't it obvious that Charlie closed door because Desmond would have drowned as well. Anyways, yeah, my mistake. I'm sure Christian is dead now. When Jack says "Go and get my father from upstairs, if he is more drunk than me...." I think he's referring to heaven.

Now as well as flashbacks, they're having flashforwards? As if the plot wasn't confusing enough... :p

No, because he could have closed the door from the... outside. And a facility of that size wouldn't be filled with water very fast in the first place, and Mikhail's thought process of taking a grenade and swimming outside to blow himself up was just ???, so that scene was kinda wacko.

The rest of the episode made up.

Guy was just hopped up on goofballs, is all.

I really have to agree to a certain extent. This is LOST and crazier things have happened, but Jack is out of his mind when he gets back to the real world. He was a leader on the island, he helped people and eventually I guess he got them rescued. Here's my input on his dad. On the island, he saw his father walking around and everything, found his coffin, and it was empty (Unless I'm wrong...it's been awhile since I've watched season 1). Once he gets back to the real world, he realizes his father is really dead. In a sense, he becomes his father, maybe as a way of trying to prove he's not dead. I dunno, just my theory.

I'm thinking the funeral he goes to is Locke's actually. Locke is becoming a bit of a villain in the series...he will probably end up doing some very bad things in these last few seasons so all the characters end up hating him. Ben is a good guess, but I would think Jack would just end up leaving Ben, even though the ultimate revenge against Ben would be to take him off the island.

Did anyone notice when Kate and Jack were talking in the flashforward that Kate said something like, "Jack, I have to go or he'll know we met." Since Jack is all crazy, maybe all the survivors who get rescued end up keeping away from him and Kate ends up with Sawyer, so Sawyer knows Kate will be drawn to Jack, but doesn't want her to see him. Crazy idea, but eh.

Hopefully they add Alex and Carl as regulars next season. I really like those two for some reason. We all know they aren't going to get rescued right now since the phone called Naomi's boat which is probably filled with a bunch of evil people.

Btw, my friend and I thought it was funny at the point in the finale when Jack ordered Ben to be tied up and we both thought.

Danielle: "Daughter who has just found out that I'm your mother, will you help me tie up your fake father?" *Kodak Moment Music*

I don't see why everyone assumes Jack's father is still alive. Well, aside from the fact that Jack kept seeing him on the island, and found his casket, empty.

When Jack tries to get the prescription, I just simply assumed that he forged the signature, knowing he couldn't write it for himself. And...
QFT.

They may be referring to the time Jack told that guy to talk to his dad and see if he was drunker... but who knows, maybe by "upstairs" he meant heaven. :P

Guys, Christian is dead. Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse confirmed this in a podcast last April. Jack's statement is odd, but I think we can chalk it up to the writers trying to throw us off on the flashforward.

Ok, i initially said that jack said ''upstairs'', this was my mistake: i have just rewatched it and he actually just says ''get my father down here'' which is a bit different obviously.

I started to get this feeling that they were flashforwards when we see this drastic decline in Jack's condition compared to other episodes. After a while i started to wonder if it was jack/is this in the future etc...

I'm pissed off at charlie's death. Can a grenade explode underwater? A huge building like that would take a solid hour at least to fill up. Plenty of time for both of them to escape. That's the only point that i'm actually pissed off at. There's no way they can redeem that scene for me.

And they'd better have a pretty damn good explanation for Locke's recovery like that. I know they probably won't have one, but it's open ended enough for there to "be" one, so i'm not as pissed off.

I'm also kinda miffed that they killed Tom. Man, he was cool, probably my favourite Other. I would've liked to see him as a regular character.

Otherwise a pretty good episode. I felt like the Flashbacks were getting a little old. I wonder if flashforwards will become a regular thing.

About charlie's demise, just think like this, he could never imagined the grenade would simple break the glass, he was not a military expert, in his mind, the blast could have destroyed the wall and then he and desmond would die.

Anyway, it's the ye olde hollywoodian way of a hero sacrificing himself for "the greater good" even if in real life no one would do that.

About the future flashs, to be fair I'm thinking more on the line of paralel universe, this IS lost afterall. (That and there are still 3 more seasons to fill ^^)

I was especially annoyed with Tom being killed as well although with this being Lost, he might not definately be dead. H eprobably will be though as Sawyer shot him in the chest. Anyway, if he is dead, I think it is a real missed oppurtunity for that character to be developed.

I have a question regarding the first part of the finale: what was jack reading about in the newspaper on the plane and later in the car on the bridge?

News about discontinuation of Crystal Pepsi (an obituary of Crystal Pepsi, if you will).

haha. The thing is, I doubt that news would even be printed if Lost is considered up to date and modern (wasn't crystal Pepsi a 90s thing), also I don't think it would upset jack so much.

Didn't tested it, but it sounds truthful

Thanks for the info Yamigarasu, can you give the link for this blog?

http://lostseason3.blogspot.com/

Most of the info there is a lot of expeculation based on bits and pieces about "to be released" episodes, but it is still a nice place to discuss and theorize it. ^___^

Unless Sawyer changed his surname to end with -antham and caught a mean case of fast-progressing dwarfism (or maybe lost his legs), that's probably not him in the coffin.

This episode was a fuck in the ass. Seriously, what were they thinking, those faggots. How psychologically useful to show that they got rescued. Now they have a lot of material for at least four more seasons. Jesus Christ. This finale sucked from the beginning to the end. How the fuck is harpooned V.I.P. special guest Mikhael getting outside the facility to THROW A FUCKING GRENADE AT THE WINDOW... Brilliant how Charlie is NEITHER closing the door from the outside NOR is he swimming out through the window. This episode must have been directed by Michael Bay, I swear. Also, blatant surreptitious advertising for Motorola cellphones, how disgusting.

I still contest that when an explosion is imminent and a friend is running towards it for a reason that he's going to allow nothing to get in his way, Charlie's actions made sense. No idea why he didn't try to swim out the port window though, that's the part that gets me. He Didn't even need to surface, he could of just swam around back under the way they came in.

Eye patch dude's reasoning, I must admit, was a little more of a stretch, but weren't the both of them armed after they subdued the three others down there? If it's his job to ensure to radio signal stays jammed, assuming he's some sort of immortal or he's just super resilient and after surviving all that shit he knows a grenade will kill him but he's willing to kamikaze. To sneak out of view and attempt to flood them both isn't the most headscratching thing on earth. A lot to swallow, though.

You don't know if anyone but Jack and Kate got off the island. Maybe they were all killed, and that's why Jack is now a psycho drug addict. And who cares anyway. Did watching Fight Club or Memento give you a psychological trauma too?

No, I didn't mean it that way. I was just thinking that now we know that at least two of them apparently got off the island, a lot of the http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsys.../emot-iiam.gif is gone (=> http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsys...ns/emot-ms.gif). It's not giving me a psychological trauma :)

Then again, why would Jack want to crash again if everyone else but him and Kate got killed?

According to another forum, here's what the newspaper clip said:

John Latham, eh? Any clue as to who that could be? Jaime Ortiz might be related to our dead friend Ana-Lucia though...