It is impossible to do on sight. You actually have to take a risk, and converse with her.

It's not rape when a girl lets down a guy simply because he's attracted to her, and she's definitely dressed to impress (out of the ordinary) ... The question is, who is she trying to impress?

Perhaps whatever guy who might, in the off chance, come by, sweep her off her feet, and fulfill her every imagined fantasy(realistic or not). You gotta be prepared, cuz you never know.

^ But wouldn't it be creepy to have some guy sweep a stranger off her feet?

I was going to make that very same point, but opted out of it.

It is impossible to do on sight, but since this entire thread is based on visual observations leading to concrete assumptions about a woman's character, I figured I wouldn't get into it.

Regardless, I agree, you'll never know how shallow a girl is until you've witnessed it first hand. Looks are not proper grounds to judge a person, but it's faaar too easy to jump to conclusions simply from someone's appearance.

Personally, I'm more interested about WHY women will look at you negatively if you do display some courage and approach them. Why is it that the woman who wear makeup for attention are too proud to accept this attention in good graces?

Because you're automatically a Ted Bundy character and really, really creepy?

There are some girl out there who take that chance and stomp on that guy's ego. There are some girls who politely decline. But when a man is pushy and insistent, is that deserved because of how she's dressed? "Well look at what you're wearing, you obviously want this attention." Also there are plenty of women out there who are drop dead gorgeous but have no self confidence. Why are there such high rates of eating disorders out there, a lot of women who are fine by themselves and really quite beautiful but don't think so themselves. I hate to sound trite but confidence is a state of mind, not a physical being. Because you can look like some Brazillian model yet still think you're fat and ugly.

I won't argue that there are women like that out there and I agree they are fucking cunts but how do you distinguish between them and everyone else. Because you are inevitably grouping everyone else with them simply on how a girl is dressing.

Good god Devo, not everything revolves around men for christ's sake. I'll use myself for an example then. I LIKE dressing up in skirts and dresses, I LIKE wearing nice makeup and having good hair. Does that mean I want men yelling at me when I walk down to street? No I don't, it makes me feel self conscious and makes me wish I wore jeans that day so I didn't attract attention. It is a fucking form of self-love. Because I can tell myself that I look pretty and yes, that is empowering.

And don't say I'm suppose to feel good when an asshole leans out of a car and whistles at me. Because I can damn well sure say I don't.

But he is her dream guy. She will know INSTANTLY that he is the right one, and he her, and thus the whole creepiness factor is eliminated. She will feel as if she knew him all her life.
And they will ride off into the sunset, in his BMW Z8, happily ever after.

Hahahah! So true.

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I do.

Yeah. I find it rather humorous how no one is really disagreeing with me.

This is so ridiculously outlandish, but I don't think any honest woman would deny these things.
(either that, or it is so outlandishly wrong as to not be worth their time)

perhaps I should drop my engineering major, and go for psychology

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Unfortunately, this is not really the case. More often than not, it is women who set the common beauty standards. They are more often affected by what other women think about them than what men think about them.

I like this post. This whole thread is how guys judge solely on how a girl looks and perhaps vice versa. But the thing is, a lot of good looking girls out there who get hit on the most are the shallowest of the bunch, but men wouldn't know that because they're too damn busy asking for her phone number first and getting to know her second.

Take home message boys, try to get to know her first before asking for the phone number. Because you may realize, she's not worth your time. The proper way to pick up a girl is to get into a friendly conversation in a bookstore aisle of similiar interest, rather than stopping someone on the street and the first things out of your mouth are (???) ???-????.

And they look at you negatively because the decent girls are offended that you only want to get to know her because of how she looks, not the otherway around.

No offense, but you're a dumb cunt.
How can I get to know you without talking to you?

You're the reason women get raped.

Hey assholes exist, we can agree on that point. Do I let it bother me? Sometimes yes, sometimes no but it is a fact of life that they are out in the general population and fucking it up for everyone else. I deal with them, but I don't enjoy being told that I asked for it. Also I never said I flipped a guy the bird. Those attention whores and holi-than-thou girls may do but I do not get off by any means at stomping on a guy's ego because that is cruel and heartless and I am neither. The only issue I had with what you were championing throughout the thread was that if girls dresses a certain way, they received certain reactions and they should just suck it up and quit complaining because they asked for it. I really feel it's the man's problem, not the woman's and society has this thing where they love pinning it on the woman.

As for the last point, I think there are different standards of beauty. You have women lathed in the pages of Playboy who are, yes, very beautiful but you have someone like Rachael McAdams, who is this decent, wholesome pretty. Everyone has a type (some have fat fetishes and the like) so girls should just be themselves and hopefully, a man can appreciate that. But no one can deny that society deamns you to be a size 2 to be every remotely desirable.

When I wrote the first post, I didn't mean the first things out of a guy's mouth - "what's your phone number?" I'm mainly just asking what girls do when a guy out of nowhere asks for a date, or asks to get to know the girl better.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, initiate some sort of conversation and if she peaks your interest, then ask for the number.

That's uncalled for.

Are you fat or ugly? It has to be one or the other if you rip on porn.

Newsflash, guys don't look at porn to find wives, they look at porn to get off. Most of those girls are ugly or airbrushed to look beautiful.

Society does not deam you to be a size 2, but you deam yourself to be a fat, ugly self-concious cunt.
When did society, and yes, I mean society, ever SAY to you, "You must be a size 2?". Don't even tell me to look at books or magazines, because that's a copout. It never SAID you had to look like that, you simply assumed it. On that same note, I can say guys are supposed to either look like pretty boys or a giant piece of muscles, which by the way, is not true.
Why? Because:
1) I don't read between imaginary lines.
2) I'm not ugly or fat (unlike yourself)
3) I'm not a dumb fucking cunt.

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Thanks for adding to the conversation. Your post was uncalled for.
Get back on topic or GTFO.

I'd have to disagree. I'd say women get raped because there are sick pigs out there willing to rape, or willing to justify rape as a means to an answer.

Pride and Prejudice: Charles Bingley asking Jane Bennet for a dance purely on the basis that he thinks she's beautiful, and how she knows next to nothing about him, except that he's rich.

The olden day version of the so called 'creep' and 'shallow girl' in our clubs?

I would agree that women are most likely to criticize another female's appearance but 90% of the time, they internalize it more than men. They share it with themselves, their friends, their family but rarely, if ever do they share it with you, especially if you're a stranger. That's the nature of the beast, women are sneakier so their influences doesn't run as deep with other women. Because I don't know you're talking about my huge cankles since you never tell me.

I'm not denying there are men out there that are less than gentlemen, but why should the solution to the issue be just stop dressing the way you're dressing or stop looking the way you look. Is it simply acceptable for men to act like that and women to take it? That's what I'm asking because the answer to the problems shouldn't be, stop just stop dressing a certain way and putz around town in sweats and a hoodie because that's just the way things are so deal with it. I'm not trying to play martyr because I don't get nearly enough grief as a chick who has naturally huge breasts and can't avoid the unwanted attention or the pretty girl who can't shake off the creeps.

The world will never be rid of assholes but blame should be more evenly distributed rather than just shoved all into one corner. And I'd hate to demean men in such a way that they're sexual urges are so uncontrollable that as soon as they spot some cleavage, they go wild with desire and can't help themselves.

Most males that have ended up asking my number were already familiar to me since we had spent time out of class. To answer the initial question, I wouldn't simply give a guy my number if I didn't know him, regardless of any physical attraction. I knew girls who didn't care who they gave their number to. But from my experience, those girls were desperate for male companionship anyway.

I object, your honour. On the grounds that this man is a massive vagina.