My 360 is just a week old and I haven't had problems after the update. So I guess it's the first batch that's affected.

That's what I was implying.

Mine is 1st gen. but the only problem I've had is when I wouldn't play anything on my Live! account for like a month (when I was away at school or something) and when I tried to logon it would freeze. But that problem went away after the first update...and no problems after that.

We're talking about generations in terms of manufacturing cycles, not 360s with new features or anything. Microsoft has no reason to announce the former.

Well, my Ghost Recon is now unplayable thanks to that Live Update.

Not only is it impossible to finish mission 9, but it freezes when I go to multiplayer.

And this is my second copy of the game.

Nice job Microsoft. You now have the record of the most horrible console launch ever.

And by launch I mean first 5 months.

AND AS I TYPE THIS MY BROTHER JUST GOT STUCK ON A WALL IN GHOST RECON AND CAN'T GET OFF IT.

Holy shit.

How may we be able to assist you.

Well, you could make Microsoft NOT be capable of now being lazy and handle their hardware badly.

But probably not.

This may sound Newbish but my friend wants me to help him purchase an Xbox 360 and we know what the Core Pack comes with but we were looking at online retailers and we couldn't find exactly what the Premium Package came with... Does it come with Two Controllers? And does it have a hook up in the back so you can play Online (Ethernet Port) or do you need WiFi?

I didn't wanna make a new Thread seeing as theres one right here and there seems to be discussion of the system here so yeah...

Only one wireless, both have a port, but maybe the premium only has the cable included- not sure on that. The wifi, as an extra, just plugs into a usb port.

Well, I played PGR3 for the first time today. It should have been called PGR 1.5.

Everything just looks dumbed down in comparison to PGR2. I mean, look at the menus. What the hell even happened.

I also noticed that the graphics were terrible, other than the gimmicky blur effect, which made walking around the garbage kind of cool for about 2 seconds.

The controls seem to be a bit better, but that's about it.

A remote, a wireless controller, some AV cable of some sort, an HDD and I believe a ethernet cable. Not sure about that...

You shouldn't get people's hopes up like that- the free mini remote was a limited time only. :D

Gotta feel bad for those who did preorder and didn't get it- I walk into CCity and I see that green sticker on the box- wow.

Toslink to Toslink Optical Cable Extender
http://www.ruby-electronics.com/stor...Cable_Extender
"...If your digital optical cable is not long enough for your need, you can either purchase a new longer cable, or you can use this extender to add another shorter cable to your original cable to extend its reach."

http://ruby-electronics.com/ftproot/pro_gold_ext-a.jpg

I guess you would need something like that to extend the optical cable.

Hmmm your not talking about the red/white (you say reach, so...)cables are you?- cause those won't give you the 5.1. But these are cheap enough:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search
The one I got at the store had two so all you would are two extra composite cables.

You might be able to move your 360 closer to your DVD player.

But that may require effort.

Saw this car game on a 360 stand the other day. Don't know what title it was... But as a 3d entusiast my eyes honestly hurt at the overfogged(yeah I just made up a word to describe the horrid way it was blurred by intent it seems even!) graphics I'd probably get a headache playing it.

Has anyone heard more about the new update and it's ability to turn the Xbox into a very expensive brick? (Yes, we've all heard about Xbrick, Megalith, you can stop now sweety)
I'm goin to buy Oblivion today, but it really would be great if me turning on the console renders it useless...

Even if it does go kaput, look at this way, under warranty you can just get yourself a brand new shiny one without dents in it unlike your old 360 which you kicked and punched because it stopped working ;)

Was it that project Gotham racing game? Or Burnout Revenge?

Burnout Revenge I think. Not sure though just saw the racing not the title.