This is like telling me that telling me Intelligent Design has nothing to do with God.

But thats the point - Trek is *not* smart. Trek is enjoyable - but I don't think a show that deals with kids being put on trial for killing flowers, people that have their heritage in spiders or wishy-washy morality between episodes can be intelligent.

See - Trek is entertaining, yes. But it can't be smart. You want it to be smart, so you are seen as smart. You are neither. A sign of intelligence is the ability to argue one's points with conviction and evidence - you do neither as you argue like a child kicking and screaming in a toy store.

No it's not. And you've still have yet to prove that beyond a doubt.

You've not quantified that either.

If you're going to use the word, demographic - you need to back it up with a list or a poll or something. Don't just assume you're right - because I assume you suck dick on the weekends. Doesn't make me right, but it sure as shit seems a more likely candidate than anything you've said so far.

If you're reading Star Trek novels or Star Wars hardbound for it's "intellectual" reasons, you're going to end up one big dumbass.

As opposed to reading a book on art history or the ideas of Plato? Get the fuck out. Not even Borg1982 is trying to sell me that shit.

And because... who gives a shit?

I like Star Wars because it has lightsabers that WOOOM WOOOM.

I never really liked Babylon 5. To me, it was too much like Star Trek: Deep Space Nine... only more boring and with less impressive costumes/makeup/special effects.

Anyway, I like both Star Trek and Star Wars... Star Wars for its flair and Star Trek for being so utterly cerebral.

If Star Trek were cerebral - there would be nearly no one watching it

After seeing this conversation, I agree with LeHah. It was the foolish man who built his house upon sand. The fact of the matter is that both shows make up shit we've never heard of, so that whole smart idea goes out the window. I mean, who here knows about measuring a parsec on a kessel run or how warp coils are built on starships? Just enjoy the shows is the point of why their made in the first place.

If that's the case then I suppose Star Trek's been cerebral for many years now.

Making snide remarks towards a better statement just shows you have nothing to say.

Shut up and get the fuck out.

Thought I have not been posting here recently I have been watching it closely and this argument is more on LeHah’s side then anyone else’s. However Borg1982 what your saying is that a classroom which consists of what? Only 20 to 30 kids and your willing to say that they represent what every other kid on the world is thinking in that age group? I have watched star trek since I can remember and apparently before I can remember, I still watch it and have seen every episode to date and all of them are reruns but I still watch them all the same because I like them. I understand almost everything they say too when the go on techno babbling. It is hard for some to understand yes but that doesn’t take away from the rest dose it? And when they do give some crazy explanation on how to fix a problem they give examples that we would understand. My views on star wars is a little one sided, I’m not big on star wars I like the action in it, but I prefer star trek because they deal with situations that one might face daily not once in a hundred years kinda thing. And when I was five years old I loved star trek because it was fun and exciting, I didn’t understand a word they said back then but still enjoyed it all the same, So what? And Shonos is right the technology the had on OST was for the most part only Ideas and now most of it reality, though we don’t have transporters or holodecks we are still trying to develop them. One thing I have noticed in this entire conversation is that Kids are ones we are discussing liking one over the other. What about the teens and adults in the world? You’ll find that a lot of them will give very good answers as to why they like one over the other and not give an answer with just fun and excitement.
And Borg1982 when you said “I’m done fueling your mass immaturity maybe you should look at your own post and see who’s being more immature .

So you don’t like it because you cant comprehend it?

And I hope I never get on your bad side Lehah

Now that youre here Garret, I believe it would be a good time to close this thread and be done with the topic. Borg is unable to do anything except repeat banalities and we're almost completely off topic anyway

Agreed