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Kairyu Oct 23, 2007 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMan (Post 520197)
A ninja with monk 'barehand' technique is arguably better because of his better speed rating. At a certain point, he who strikes first, strikes last!

What about an entire team of Quickened induced Calculators? True, they're not fast but my god. If you can take out the opposing team without barely moving or letting the bad guys land a hit on you~ then I call that broken.
Well if that doesn't suit you a Bare-handed-teleporting-blade grasping-Ninja is fine too :gonk:.

Final Fantasy Tactics is full of abusive combo'ing!

Kagosin Oct 23, 2007 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMan (Post 520197)
Yea, but these guy's breaks the game's balancing! I only need 1 ninja to pwn, really. He has a powersleeve, bracer, twist headband and does 999 damage per hit. :) I really don't think the game would be very fun with 5 of these.

A ninja with monk 'barehand' technique is arguably better because of his better speed rating. At a certain point, he who strikes first, strikes last!

I kinda agree with you on the shift in balance in the game. When I got them both in Tactics, and Tactics advance, the shift in balance for the game came over into my favor. Duel wielding against an enemy usually wrecks them (with a few exceptions).

FeMan Oct 23, 2007 01:01 AM

I love and hate this game at the same time. I hate missing anything in a game, I had to check every single enemy before I killed them to make sure I stole all of their special items.

Then you have to fight every single random battle you come across, which become extremely long winded and monotonous after a while.

I don't think I'll ever finish a strategy RPG. Story was good though. I just gave up and read the script online as well as saw the ending on youtube.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Oct 23, 2007 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Elixir (Post 520116)
It's available here.

Nope, ain't in stock. Dunno if it was when you linked it, but it's OOS on here as of this writing, EB's website, amazon, and the works. Everywhere cept Bradygames.com...which of course doesn't ship outside of the 48 continental states.

I'm still looking, hopefully I can get a hold of it soon. I'm told by someone who has it that there's some advanced stuff in there, like the level-up/down trick, which is surprising. I didn't think it would have that sort of thing.

Elixir Oct 23, 2007 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Colonel Skills (Post 520236)
Nope, ain't in stock. Dunno if it was when you linked it, but it's OOS on here as of this writing, EB's website, amazon, and the works. Everywhere cept Bradygames.com...which of course doesn't ship outside of the 48 continental states.

I'm still looking, hopefully I can get a hold of it soon. I'm told by someone who has it that there's some advanced stuff in there, like the level-up/down trick, which is surprising. I didn't think it would have that sort of thing.

It now says "Usually ships within 5-15 days", so if you really want it, buy it from there. But if you're not going to bother with it aside from collection value, I wouldn't worry about what additional material it comes with.

Kagosin Oct 23, 2007 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Colonel Skills (Post 520236)
Nope, ain't in stock. Dunno if it was when you linked it, but it's OOS on here as of this writing, EB's website, amazon, and the works. Everywhere cept Bradygames.com...which of course doesn't ship outside of the 48 continental states.

I'm still looking, hopefully I can get a hold of it soon. I'm told by someone who has it that there's some advanced stuff in there, like the level-up/down trick, which is surprising. I didn't think it would have that sort of thing.

There's 2 copies of the Bradygames guide sitting at the store I work at for like $16.99. I skimmed through it, and it seems like a pretty nice guide, various artwork, stage tips, etc.

RainMan Oct 23, 2007 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kairyu (Post 520202)
What about an entire team of Quickened induced Calculators? True, they're not fast but my god. If you can take out the opposing team without barely moving or letting the bad guys land a hit on you~ then I call that broken.
Well if that doesn't suit you a Bare-handed-teleporting-blade grasping-Ninja is fine too :gonk:.

Final Fantasy Tactics is full of abusive combo'ing!

Yeh, calculators are unstoppable. Well, 'math skill' is unstoppable anyways. Normally one calculator in one turn can turn the entire tide of battle in your favor (via Holy, death, etc), often ending it instantly, killing every opposing enemy before they have a chance to move. Just imagine 5 of these guys. I mean if the computer had about 100 guys, it would STILL be tipped largely in the favor of the calculators. You are absolutely right about how broken the game becomes at ths point.

Oh, and I only wish Olan would've stuck with Ramzes party. 'Galaxy Stop' would be SOO much fun to abuse. :3:


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Originally Posted by FeMan (Post 520219)
Then you have to fight every single random battle you come across, which become extremely long winded and monotonous after a while.

Most of my battles are over in 5 to 10 minutes. What are you generally doing during a particular battle? What's your strategy?

SuperDK Oct 23, 2007 03:38 AM

For some strange reason, I remember the PS1 version being a lot harder (at least in the early levels). I guess I just got used to the game.

Also, love how there is now a maximum of 24 units instead of a measly 16. At last, I can have all of the special characters without having to boot anyone from the group (except for the chocobos).

Manny Biggz Oct 23, 2007 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMan (Post 520197)
Yea, but these guy's breaks the game's balancing! I only need 1 ninja to pwn, really. He has a powersleeve, bracer, twist headband and does 999 damage per hit. :) I really don't think the game would be very fun with 5 of these.



A ninja with monk 'barehand' technique is arguably better because of his better speed rating. At a certain point, he who strikes first, strikes last!

Well for Ramza, Monk with 2 hand + mettle as his secondary is WAY too good! Scream (don't know if they changed the name yet) is arguably the best skill in the game.

FeMan Oct 23, 2007 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMan (Post 520255)
Most of my battles are over in 5 to 10 minutes. What are you generally doing during a particular battle? What's your strategy?

I would usually gang up on a single enemy at a time and then I would use status effects on the other enemies. I used Mustadio a lot.

I suppose one problem with the way I played was that I tried to master every class. Damn gold stars. And damn the mysterious way stats are gained. I heard that leveling up while being a ninja was the best if you wanted a physically strong and fast character, but if you did that then you wouldn't be able to master all of the classes.

Anyone like fan fiction?
Spoiler:
I never read fan fiction aside from FFT fan fiction. At first I didn't really like how Delita's side of the story was mostly left untold and I really didn't like the way the story ended at first. I guess it wasn't that bad, it certainly stands out as one of the most memorable endings of any game that I've played and its pretty interesting to read what people have written on the anti-hero. Here's one I read earlier today.

Manny Biggz Oct 23, 2007 08:00 AM

I just read on the added characters, and Luso seems great too. He's just like Ramza, and he has Scream (which is now known as Shout apparantly). Can't wait to get Beowulf and Orlandu in on this. Team broken ++!

Kagosin Oct 23, 2007 08:03 AM

Isn't Balthier suppose to be strong as well?

Manny Biggz Oct 23, 2007 08:36 AM

I think he's a combination of Mustadio's class and Thief. I never really made much use of Engineer, but I know it can be quite deadly when used correctly. Right now my battles are as brain dead as it gets. Kill Wiegraf? Ramza goes first turn, walks up to him and kills him one hit. :D

Kagosin Oct 23, 2007 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Manny Biggz (Post 520354)
Right now my battles are as brain dead as it gets. Kill Wiegraf? Ramza goes first turn, walks up to him and kills him one hit. :D

:gonk:

And Wiegraf is suppose to be a pain in the ass. XD

Tir Oct 23, 2007 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kagosin (Post 520358)
:gonk:

And Wiegraf is suppose to be a pain in the ass. XD

He's easy, I had Ramza as a ninja. Walked upon him, two hits with ninja swords, and he was dead. Now Elmdor, now he's a bitch. Tried the same thing with him, but no, he had a First Strike. :mad: Killed my Ramza instantly, then he killed Rafa. Great.

Kagosin Oct 23, 2007 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tir (Post 520380)
He's easy, I had Ramza as a ninja. Walked upon him, two hits with ninja swords, and he was dead. Now Elmdor, now he's a bitch. Tried the same thing with him, but no, he had a First Strike. :mad: Killed my Ramza instantly, then he killed Rafa. Great.

I just hear people having more of a problem with Wiegraf for some reason.

Tir Oct 23, 2007 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kagosin (Post 520383)
I just hear people having more of a problem with Wiegraf for some reason.

Funny, now that I think of that, I remember having a hell of a time with Wiegraf in the PSX version. And on the other hand, Elmdor was really easy.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Oct 23, 2007 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Elixir (Post 520240)
It now says "Usually ships within 5-15 days", so if you really want it, buy it from there. But if you're not going to bother with it aside from collection value, I wouldn't worry about what additional material it comes with.

Yeah, that's the generic "out of stock and we should have it before too long" response. Amazon's is similarly vague on a when it should-be-back-in front. They never outright say out of stock in situations such as these. Very aggrivating. Especially when you order and two days later it goes to "3 to 6 weeks". Hence the desire to order only if it's in stock.

I couldn't care less about the supplemental material, really. I'd give it a flip through to see how good or bad it was, but that's really about it. The best part is probably the nice cover art anywho.

Manny Biggz Oct 23, 2007 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kagosin (Post 520383)
I just hear people having more of a problem with Wiegraf for some reason.

The first battle can be a bit tough against him if you're not prepared.

Spoiler:
Wiegraf/Vellius on the other hand... well... Let's just hope you have Ramza equipped with Mettle secondary. :)

Tir Oct 23, 2007 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Colonel Skills (Post 520454)
Yeah, that's the generic "out of stock and we should have it before too long" response. Amazon's is similarly vague on a when it should-be-back-in front. They never outright say out of stock in situations such as these. Very aggrivating. Especially when you order and two days later it goes to "3 to 6 weeks". Hence the desire to order only if it's in stock.

I couldn't care less about the supplemental material, really. I'd give it a flip through to see how good or bad it was, but that's really about it. The best part is probably the nice cover art anywho.

My copy of the guide has been shipped yesterday, according to the mail that I got from Play-Asia. I didn't think that they could ship it so fast, because I have seen few times that Play-Asia's "In Stock" is in fact not in stock. But I ordered it in last month, just to make sure that I would got it.

Inhert Oct 23, 2007 04:27 PM

weigraff easy? T-T my Ramxa is a monk and Weigraff is always playing first and doing me 140dmg which is more than half my HP, and every time I try to hit him, he block my attack. So I literally can't win the fight, because I can't one shot him and he always play first, so if by chance I manage to it him on my first turn he always kill me next move and if I try to heal me with chackra, i'm just using all my move to heal and never attacking him...

and you know what? I save just before the fight, so I can't win and can't do anything >.> god I hope I don't have to start over... the game. It's the first time I block on a fight and i's just totally unfair...

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>.> well I just beat him, in one turn and just by luck. He it me for 140 first, which reduce me to 85hp, so one more attack and I'm dead. I walk in front of him and attack. and lucky me i did a critical hit that one shotted him XD I think I would have never beat him without that luck...

Manny Biggz Oct 23, 2007 05:12 PM

Well I said Monk with dual wield. Also, is this the first time you fight him or the second?

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Oct 23, 2007 05:13 PM

No one resorts to the running away and speed boosting thing if they're underleveled anymore?

Manny Biggz Oct 23, 2007 05:19 PM

^^ That's exactly what I was talking about earlier. xD

For comparison purposes, I have Ramza as a Monk with dual wield, and a separate Generic Ninja with bare handed. So far Ramza deals out an average of 120 per hit. The Ninja deals out about 60 per hit. They only have a 4 level difference also. I'll keep going with this to see how things turn out.

Inhert Oct 23, 2007 05:39 PM

my Ramza only has monk and squire mastered and didn't do any other class yet >.< I think I'll train just to get duel wield, it seem very good. My Ramza is doing about 200dmg for 1 hit now, so it wasn't enough to kill Weigraf in one shot, but lucky me I did a critical for 484 dmg XD

I just hate to lv archer and thief to get ninja >.<


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