You've quite firmly established that you think that every 13 year old is a drooling retard in nappies, you can only beat it to death so much. You make an automatic leap from being too young to understand the consequences to walking away from it with PTSD and lifelong regret without explaining. For instance, quite a few 13 year olds do work in the US, some for fun, some to escape a bad home, some as a family obligation, some because they have no money and no choice. Certainly nowhere near the majority. Some kids that young drive too, usually off public roads - where it's legal. (Some study or another found that older teens who started driving young make the safest teen drivers, on average, though it didn't recommend lowering the legal limit. Kids are, after all, short, overconfident, and prone to panic.)

This is much more like smoking, something kids want to do (or get cajoled into), aren't really prepared for, don't want to know the long-term consequences of, get it offered by someone older who definitely does know, and of course it's illegal. Neither is healthy long-term. The chance that it's going to screw up someone's life is still just that, a chance. (Pedophilia and smoking clearly have quite different effects though.) Do you also think offering a kid some cigarettes while stressing before a final exam is as loathsome and predatory? Would you agree that anyone who did should be locked up and have their name put in a public registry?

And if the situation is reversed? It's possible, still, but since girls are taught from day one to never give it up, they generally place far less emphasis on sex until later in life, as well as the physical pain and internal violation, it's much more common that they have to coerced into sex, and more likely that they'll be unable to cope. That's one real reason adult female pedophiles with pubescent boys are rarely heard of - a boy's reaction with a woman doesn't often rise much above the level of embarrassment, because it's seen as just a game. (Until the woman goes mental, or gets pregnant.)

When it's teachers, coaches, or other authority figures, it wildly distorts the balance of power and may tremendously affect the ability to learn in school, as well as keeping total coercive power over a student. It's not something I'd ever condone.

I don't know if you're just baiting or if you really think the guy is going to need years of therapy to get over the anguish of having sex (or switch from a gaming nerd to a macho wifebeater over it, as brady implies). I do know the woman is probably going to get the counseling she needs in prison. I don't even know why I care so much about it, but the thread did convince me to go hunting for research, since I didn't know enough. It just bothers the hell out of me that you immediately demonize anyone involved in a combination of ages & sexes that has a lower chance of mind-fucking someone, in a situation where the boy invited her into his home, because it doesn't fit into your (and my) general revulsion of pedophiles.

I don't recall a heapin' hunka hurtin' for Virginia Slims when I was 15. Though, yeah, I think that somebody who pushes cigs on kids because it will calm them down is predatory, and should at least be locked up for selling cigarettes to kids.

All I said was that he'd turn out to be an asshole, I didn't say he'd hit women.

Asshole.

Even without being an Authority Figure, the sheer difference in age gives her significant power over the kid.

I can't believe you actually need someone to say that it is highly unlikely that this boy has or will suffer as much as someone who was violently raped. Christ.

All anyone's saying is that suggesting the boy wasn't manipulated, and that statutory rape isn't really rape, is ridiculous and worthy of scorn and suggestive of a fetish for incestuous, pedophiliac roleplay.
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And yes, if a 22 year old offered a 13 year old cigarettes touting them as a relaxant, that would be predatory.

And I'm saying I hung around a few guys in junior and high school who dressed fashionably, fancied themselves lady's men, and hit on women young and old when they could. The big difference being that women found it charming but otherwise unmoved. (One did claim he'd tapped that, at 15, but it turned out to be a chubby white trash mom, and he stopped bragging when someone passed a photo around. He got more nerdy over the years, but last I heard he was doing great in a finance major. And on the flip side, one of my teachers was teasing/harassing the kids in crude ways he thought was funny, until he was suspended after making one cry.)

I can't believe you guys actually think it's impossible for a young teen to be horny and manipulative liars, is all. They were both manipulating each other, consciously or unconsciously, as people do. The entire crux of the predation argument centers on how much she wanted the result from the beginning versus how much was a pathetic e-crush that got carried away. There are psychological states that are even easier to manipulate than childhood immaturity - she could easily be a predator who stalks kids on games, or opportunistically pursued once they bonded, and chances are good it's or the other, or a weepy post-divorce vagina with an LJ, a welfare check, and too much free time spent gaming all day.

I guess you just have to forgive me for thinking that a broken weepy vagina isn't as bad as someone who looks for children to 'love'.

are you seriously

seriously

telling me a 13 year old can and did manipulate an adult into having sex

also you seem to think we are saying that all predators are equally dangerous, please stop that

I don't think it's impossible, the adult would have to be quite gullible though.

No, she just would have had to have been legally retarded.

Yes I know at least one personally. You know they're out there, they're usually the ones who grow up to be predators and/or sociopaths.

Well anyway I realized shortly after posting that I was projecting some of my own online mistakes of 4-5 years ago onto the situation. Mistakes like quiet fox, tifa, typhin, and belgara all seemed like great ideas when I was as mentally screwed up as they were.

With that resolved, fuck off and die, you geriatric infant-loving bitchniggercunts.

I think we're forgetting who is saying that a thirteen year old boy can seduce a grown woman. (it's you)

grown physically != grown mentally

So you've never know college-age men and women who act for all the world like large children? Lucky, I guess.

Guys look we need to keep foxy discussing psychology as long as we possibly can

The potential lulz are indescribable

Can do.

Nigga, I've worked with 42 year old men who act like large children. Despite that, having in many ways not "grown up" and out of childish tendencies, their faculties for reasoning and the sheer benefit of experience far outweighed my own, just as my own faculties and experiences, being 22, far outweigh a 13 year old's.

I've also known college-age men and women who date high schoolers, and they skeev me the fuck out. Even then we're talking about 16-18 year olds, and in this case the kid is 13 goddamn years old.

When female teachers become attracted to their students, many times it's because they are the Alpha Male types, and their attention sexually and perhaps emotionally would fill some kind of personal void.

This kid is 13 years old. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. His testicles have barely dropped, and you're trying to get us to believe that he's got the skills for the ills. He sure as Hell isn't going to be some kind of Alpha Male.

I needn't remind you of the fact that this is SO BESIDE THE POINT that you shouldn't even be mentioning it.

Because there might be a few legally retarded twenty-two year olds doesn't mean that, on the whole, thirteen year olds can seduce twenty-two year olds.

Well, I suppose that THAT is possible, but the twenty-two year old is almost always responsible enough to hold off from pursuing it. In fact, even if said twenty-two year old is acting like a twelve year old, they are old enough to recognize, at least on its most basic level, that sleeping with a thirteen year old is illegal, if they are somehow unable to discern that it is wrong.

This is what I don't get. If you made the case about a seventeen year old, I would understand, and explain that the law HAS to be objectively cut off for all parties involved. A rape case involving a seventeen year old and a nineteen year old is indeed much harder to condemn (morally). But we're talking about a kid who is THIRTEEN. Chances are that he still has a child's voice. He certainly isn't finished growing. Whether or not this kid is a MALE is beside the fact entirely.

I mean, what? Why are you even trying?

I believe that you know a 13 year old who put the moves successfully on an adult. I also believe that particular adult was horribly broken, mentally retarded and/or punch drunk. That hardly counts, because those kinds of people are just waiting for someone to say go.

You know, between the "raping 13 year olds isn't so bad" and the Rozen Maiden av/sig:

HILARIOUS

I want to know where you guys think I said this was a healthy or perfectly normal thing. Okay, in the beginning I should have been clearer, since it obviously is a problem no matter what the circumstances, conflating "won't traumatize" with "no problem" is dumb. I support a prison term and long-term counseling. I usually give people way too much benefit of the doubt, and it does make me a bad judge of character, and I guess you can tell old memories are coloring my emotions. (On the other hand, my last post was pure stupid trolling before sleep and hey, it got replies.) I do feel pretty dumb overall now, looking back.

You aren't the first to say that, brady, but the fact that rozen has no sexual appeal whatsoever is why I enjoyed it. *shrug*

Rozen Maiden is the ultimate wet dream of the creepiest Real Doll fetishists.

And that was before the incest.

Making av/sigs around the theme of little girls in elaborate costume is generally poor policy as well, I think.

You deny that Glam Rock was the greatest musical movement of the 20th century? I grew up on a diet of glam and day-glo wristbands.

I'm not going to apologize for liking the show, particularly since it's still the music I'm more obsessed with than the rest, but I find nothing sexual about it and cringe when I see people who do. Same with Real Dolls. Unfortunately, there are creepy antisocial people who happen to like most of the enjoyable things in life, but that doesn't make me (or Styphon) one of them.

But if the sig gives you guys the willies, I'll change it.

It's a joke, see. On its own it would just be like any other animespot av/sig but now that you're arguing statutory it heightens hilarity.

I'm not telling you to take down your Bananarama posters, yo.

I get that, see, but why be the butt of the joke more than the hole I already dug for myself.

Oh well, too late, I found a pic I liked and found another to go with it.