The Wii is crap and I am sick of hearing about how well it is selling. It's a Gamecube with a couple of additional gags, and the system's game library can't compete with anything outside of a cell phone. The real problem I have with the "console" is that it is regarded as a kiddy, overly-simplified and braindead system, and there no intention by Nintendo nor any developers to change that.

If y'all don't agree, just look at what Capcom has done with Resident Evil. It was originally supposed to play like RE4, aka one of the best games of all time, but they felt compelled to dumb it down for Wii fans, because the developers were confident that the userbase was either universally dumb as a rock, or just old and shouldn't be operating any electronic equipment in the first place.

I will simply pity the game industry if Wii becomes some kind of leader or influential force. You're just going to get heaps and heaps of simple, Tiger handheld-level crap games, and everybody is going to be overjoyed except for the people who really matter in the industry: GAMERS.

Oh wait. Nintendo is releasing Mario 2 on VC next week. Everything is fine now.

The Wii's "library" isn't even a year old.

Yeah but really. How many games are there announced for the Wii that are looking to be deep and memorable games. 4 that's how many. SSBB, Metroid 3, Mario Galaxy, and Zelda. Now what does Nintendo have scheduled for '08 that match these titles? Oops... we forgot about after '07. Same can be said for the 360 so don't think I'm just bashing the Wii.

Only system that I see right now who has ANY future looking plans is Sony with MGS4, two Final Fantasy games and KillZone 2. Sure the PS3 may not have many titles now (which YES, is a problem for what? Three more months?). But their library is looking a lot brighter further down the tunnel then the other two after '07.

Btw, as you know the PS3 has been out as long as the Wii so Nintendo has no excuse to not have plans reaching outside of '07, sorry.

The only reason Sony has these so called plans for after 2007 is because the release dates on their big named titles got pushed from 2007 to 2008.

Yeah, because KillZone 2 and FinalFantasy VS XIII, and the 2 team ICO projects were originally slated for '07 ya know.

Continuing to get further away from topic, here's some food for thought.

Recalling the Gamecube's library, do you think it's such a good idea that Nintendo's bringing out 3 of their big 4 titles all within a nearly 3-month period of each other? By releasing Smash Bros. Brawl, Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 so close together, do you think Nintendo's effectively reduced their own consoles for the next 2 to 3 years, barring any major third-party exclusive releases?

When you really sit down and think about it, a good part of what can make a system successful are the quality and quantity of first-party titles -- releasing a fair amount of pretty close to triple-AAA quality titles during a system's lifespan is the logical key to success. During the GameCube's years, Nintendo kinda...failed to do that. Super Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Zelda: Wind Waker and Smash Bros. Melee were released pretty close together if memory serves, and it was a good year and half/two years before Metroid Prime 2 was released, and then Twilight Princess was moved to the Wii first, in favor of strengthening new console sales at the cost of the GameCube.

My question again is: is it wise for Nintendo to release their console-selling first-party titles so close together instead of spreading them out over a 6-month or year-long window?

In the West? Maybe not. In Japan, though, I don't think they care. They're biggest sellers are Mario, Pokemon, and their increasing line of brain training games .

Also, I've always believed a big reason for even making first-party titles is to advertise to third-party developers. Now that every major Japanese (and Western) developer has signed up to make games on the Wii, they no longer need to try so hard. It's okay if Nintendo doesn't release another Zelda/Metroid/Whatever for a year or two, because Square-Enix, Sega, Bandai, etc. will be releasing plenty of games during that time.

Anyway, back to the 360. Assuming they're was a price drop, is it possible that MS would scale back the premium SKU? Lower hard drive size, or just producing a much smaller batch of units overall? Could it be like the Wii situation is now? Or would they pull a Sony, and use the price drop to phase in the Elite as their primary model?

So far that's the strategy I thought they were already using: phase out one to introduce the other.

How many quality first party games did they even make for the SNES other than one Zelda, one Metroid, and two Marios?

Don't forget F-zero and Mario Kart.

So of all these, the only one which wasn't released early on in the console's life was Yoshi's Island.

(Unless you want to count Earthbound which I don't think is fair since they didn't bill it as an AAA++++ title, it just turned out to be a really sweet game.)

Wasn't Street Fighter II one of the games that was released within a year of the SNES' launch? I know that it was one of the reasons we got one in the first place.

Controlling the Diskarmor in Rygar for Wii with the Wii-mote will make us forget all other consoles. It will even make the WoW kiddies stop playing WoW and eat something so they can build up the strength to wield the Wii-mote through ancient Greece motif levels. Seriously if the Diskarmor responds naturally to the Wii-mote instead of just having a "standard" attack no matter how you move the Wii controller we will only remember what has come before that point in gaming in order to more fully appreciate hot Diskarmor-swinging action. The end.

Seriously though, if I could get a reliable Xbox 360 Premium for $300 I would be able to skip getting a $300 videocard with my next PC upgrade and at this point I would be fine with this route. I would rather buy a $200-$300 console every three years than spend $1500 to upgrade my PC every three years.

What is Rygar?

Unless I'm mistaken, an attempt to revive a really really old game. The original was on the NES if I'm right.

Rygar was awesome. Rygar's revival on PS2 was even more awesome. It was the PS2's God of War two years before God of War became the PS2's God of War (??)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...6/Rygarbox.jpg

Hopefully the Wii version won't be crap, but Tecmo's been pretty hopeless at everything lately. Coming soon, a 360 port of the PS3's Ninja Gaiden Xbox port.

The 360 is ironically in the lead in console sales at the moment, with 10.8mil. However the Wii is closing in with I think...8mil sold. PS3 is no where around 5 mil.

2more days is when "the" rumor said that the annoncement of this so called price cut? If not, I guess its fake.

Hasn't it already been confirmed that it's just going to be a $50 price cut?

According to that scanned flier that's been around, yeah. No official word on that yet, though, to my knowledge. http://colonelskills.belkanairforce....ages/ace/1.gif

I think Zeal said it was confirmed. Why do we care when we have the system already though.

uhhh.. not everyone has it.

im one of them

Nor do I. I'd like to see if the mass-porting of what were once PS3 exclusives is just a temporary thing.

Holy shit, relevant discussion lol

Don't worry, Microsoft is willing to spend enough money and the Sony officials are currently fucking up everything they can.

Bahahahaha. WHAT.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...01/ccproof.jpg

Ok, someone change the title to "Xbox 360 $100 TOTAL price cut in August."

Core is now down 20 bucks, the Elite is down 30 bucks, and the Premium is down 50 bucks.

Whoopdeefuckingdo. Core is now an even BIGGER ripoff. (Core + memory card = 20 bucks less than a premium), and the difference in price between a Premium and an Elite is larger.

Phase out the Core you fucking morons, damn.