The worst thing there are the fries, though. You cut the fries and you cut most of the unhealthy stuff. Fries are not physically addictive. If people are so concerned about health, they should stop eating the junk food like that. Oh, and you do realize that fries cooked at home in a Fry Daddy (gotta compare similar methods of preparation after all) are almost as unhealthy, right?

Basically, no one is forcing you to stuff your face with tons of fries. Eat a double cheeseburger. Get a filet-o-fish. Maybe try the chicken sandwich. Stay away from the junk food, and it's much better for you then.

Hmmm. So let me get this straight. You think fast food companies are responsible for all this because people don't know how to stop "ordering fries with that" and can't manage your time properly to make their own food? If you're running out of time and don't like it, make time. If you don't overflow your schedule, you won't have these problems.

You asked if this was the moral high road for fast food to offer this. I do believe there is absolutely nothing immoral about it. Let me pose this question to you, since you have so little time that you're "forced" to eat fast food. Actually, let me pose you two questions. These questions aren't actually directed at you specifically, but apply to everyone who is supposedly "forced" to eat fast food:

1. Why do you order junk sides? Why not just stick to healthier menu items? If you like fries, then it's your choice, and it's not their fault.

2. What would you do if every fast food company disappeared tomorrow? Would you starve? If not, then if you want to avoid fast food, just pretend that their restaurants don't exist, and do whatever you would be forced to do in such a situation.

Oh, this is rich. A woman who proclaims herself healthy because that's how she has to be, to be on the top of the game, is telling you to stay away from the junk food at McDonalds.

Women didn't routinely slaughter the day's roast in 1954, RR. That was the man's job

It's another false dilemma. The poor don't survive on fast food alone, but they eat it way more than normal people should*. What would people do if all the fast food places disappeared? They'd do what they do on their non-fast food days, and their kids would scream a lot more because everyone knows that to poor kids, screaming is their only passtime.

* No Patty, twice a week is not normal.

I gave you the nutritional facts for a reason. You should actually take a look at them before you start spouting off inaccurate words. You keep saying that the fries are the most unhealthy part of the meal and that is untrue. A double cheeseburger at McDonalds has more calorie and fat content than the medium fries that come with the meal. And the Filet-O-Fish and the McChicken sandwich are nearly the same as the french fries.

This is the problem with your arguments. All of your statements are pure opinionated bullshit and every one is calling you on it. If your going to make claims here, back it up or else you will get called on for it.

So are you that people who have to work full time, go to school, take care of the kids and take care of their house should just give up their lives in order to be able to cook their families meals? What do you think that they should just give up in order to cook? Maybe the shouldn't do their laundry? Maybe they should switch to part time work? I know i'm being dramatic, but I give back what I get. I suppose they might have time to heat up some sphagettios.(i.e. home cooking.)

Please stop quoting forced. I don't rememer ever once saying that these companies were forcing anyone to eat fast food.

1. People will order value meals because they are cheaper and more cost efficent for the amount of food than buying items seperatlely. And like I pointed out above, fries are hardly the most unhealthy part of the meal.

2. Like I have been saying the entire time, it is about conveniece. It would be much more inconvenient to do any of these other options. People who are rushed for time and money will always choose the option that is easiest and most convenient for themselves. Fast food companies know this well and market towards these types of people who would be very inconvenienced by having to go to the store and make their own meals. Again, what should these people cut out of their lives? Sleep? Showering? They are taking advantage of their customers by knowingly serving products of subpar quality and unhealthy nutrition in such a way that many of their cusotmers see no other way than eat there.

Maybe not something that they should be legally held responsible for, but ehtical and moral? I think not.

I have backed it up. It's not my fault you haven't read the very nutritional chart you linked to. Sure, those products have more calories, but they also have more nutrition. The only thing besides calories that fries have is Vitamin C, and very little of that compared to the number of calories; the meats, on the other hand, have several things going for them that fries do not, especially protein and calcium. So either read the information in that link before claiming that I don't, or if you already do, please check out more than just the calories and fat columns.

Given that fast food also takes time, how about taking some of that time, and cutting a bit of extracurricular activities or leisure time?

How is it at all unethical or immoral? Food is something people need to survive, and if there is a demand for a faster method of obtaining it (even if it's not truly faster), then there is nothing wrong with supplying it. It should be assumed that if short cuts are taken to make food, it won't be quite as healthy as normal food. Still, the unhealthiness, as I already said, is exaggerated, and your own link proves me right.

Jesus. Political Palace type posting in the food forums! :o

My personal opinion is, fast food companies like McDonald's provide a quicker and more convenient alternative to home cooking. However, I don't think they intentionally select ingredients which are more fattening. After all, you'd want to keep your customers alive for a longer time, no? :D

Thus, it is my opinion that any attempt at litigation is ill-advised. No one's forcing you to eat at fast food places. If the lawyers win, and the fast food places have to provide only healthy food, betcha the prices will shoot right up. Not a good thing for the majority of its customers, in a fiscal sense.

When will these Americans stop suing people willy-nilly, and start taking responsibility for themselves?

I.... jesus. Do you think I'm the only one who noticed that, not only is a woman who fancies herself at the top of her game giving out advice on what's more nutritional at McDonalds, but that the word 'salad' never passes through her lips? Not to mention she's comparing apples and oranges, if she even knows what those are. The fillet o' fish (a healthier alternative!) is comparable to a double cheeseburger. Big shock there.

Like fucking calcium and protien is hard to come by in an American diet, christ almighty. Actually, I don't know. Maybe it's hard to get your daily alotment of calcium from a Healthy Choice sweet and sour chicken dinner.

When the rapture comes. It's my opinion that its human nature to deny responisbility if its convienient. Just look at the US government.


Really all this thread boils down to is PattyNBK is in denial that fast food is VERY unhealthy (even a McSalad is unhealthy by some standards when you add that chicken that's been cooking on the same grill as a burger patty (I dont care if they scrap the grease off, its still there) or put cripsy deep-fried chicken and/or bacon bits on it. Even the dressings are unhealthy. Eating once and a while, fine. Eating it once a week or more, not good (esspecially if you do not take time on the side to be active or work out).

I won't argue against the fact her original statement declared it's stupid people are suing fast food "because they MADE them get fat" (although I admit that during the time I worked at McDonalds, they pressured the employees to ask if people wanted to "large-size" their orders (we don't have "super size") or even just add an order of fries, cookies, pies or a soda.

I don't like salads very much. What can I say about them? I don't eat like a freaking rabbit. I'm a carnivore, I like meat, it tastes good and is good for you. Salads may be great for really overweight people who are trying to lose a lot, but for someone who's athletic and works out a lot, salads are really . . . well . . . unfulfilling. Maybe you need to eat salads, but I don't.

The point was that there is nutrition in that food. The point is that it's not as unhealthy as portrayed around here. You see, all the news you get about fast food being fattening is usually considering the average meal bought at these places. Yeah, if you get a number whatever with a regular soda and fries, that's gonna be really unhealthy and fattening. I don't order that crap, I only order the sandwiches. Big difference there.

Good grief were you born this stupid?

That is the big thing right there. Right there, "if you do not take time on the side to be active or work out". That is the problem with most Americans: they're lazy! Always making excuses and blaming other people for their own problems that they've brought upon themselves.

I can eat fast food once or twice a week because I work out extensively. Maybe I'm just weird, but my well-being is the top priority for me. If I wanna indulge myself food-wise with something a little less healthy, I make up for it later by working it off. If I can do it, while working full time, why can't other people? Lazy lazy lazy!

Americans always wanna play the blame game and I'm sick of it! People need to starting taking responsibility! I don't feel at all sorry for anyone who eats himself or herself fat; as it goes, "you reap what you sow". If people want a change, that starts from within, not by suing McDonald's!

So you're saying that you don't need to eat vegetables at all because you're "athletic". What planet do you live on? Everyone needs vegetables in his/her life to be healthy.

You really are dumb.

Like people have already said before me, these foods are in no way healthy. You can find nutritional value in anything if you look hard enough.

You can't be seriously telling me that the little bit of protein that is provided from a double cheeseburger makes it healthy?

1140 grams of sodium? 55% of the daily allowance for saturated fats? That's like saying we should all order milkshakes instead because they provide us with a moderate amount of calcium. There is no way that any intelligent person could ever argue that McDonalds foods are in anyway healthy for you.

BAD QUALITIES>good qualities

One litte thing does not redeem it's obvious nutritional faults.

Closed for becoming a train wreck because of Patty's not being able to admit defeat and just walk away.