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Vivace119 Mar 23, 2007 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Musharraf (Post 417270)
This episode was okay, but I kind of don't understand the hype about it. There have been better episodes. Sure, the flashback was kinda good and there were some more or less exciting moments, but overall, I noticed Jack is becoming an even bigger asshole than he's already been, that Danielle still hasn't seen a fucking haircutter and Sayid still hasn't laughed for four fucking episodes. New episode, old stuff.

Yeah, these are very similar to my thoughts as well.

I don't really understand why everyone is praising this episode so much. It wasn't anything absolutely ground-breaking. Also, the issue with Jack joining the others wasn't touched upon enough - that conversation that he had with kate in the games room was irritating.
We already knew that Jack had made a deal with the Ben to let him go home. What I wanted to know was why he was acting so friendly (aka playing football) with the very people who have just held him prisoner for so many days.

Also, I am certainly not going to get excited about this episode when one of the new things mentioned is a 'Magic Box in the Jungle'!

I poked it and it made a sad sound Mar 28, 2007 10:03 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but I really can't get myself to give a shit that Paolo and Nikki were buried alive. Yea, that sucks for them, but seriously. Those two needed to go as characters.

Not to mention they both just WASTED an entire episode of backstory. They contributed absolutely NOTHING to the show. Wasted my time, if you ask me.

I like how the producers (or whomever) tried to write them into the backstory though. Here are Nikki and Paolo at the plane crash! Here they are throughout the story, interlaced a little bit! WITH ANOTHER DEAD CAST MEMBER! O hey, how about that?

I'm feeling REALLY burned about this episode.

And I have a feeling next week, I will be burned as well. Looks like a Jack/Kate thing going on, fuelled by Juliette judging from the preview. I want more plot movement. Desperately.

Midna Mar 28, 2007 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 419863)
II'm feeling REALLY burned about this episode.

And I have a feeling next week, I will be burned as well. Looks like a Jack/Kate thing going on, fuelled by Juliette judging from the preview. I want more plot movement. Desperately.


Sass, I want so badly to like this show again. Truth be told I didn't watch last week's episode, and am not sure about watching tonight. ;_;

I can't take watching and hoping through the whole episode that something of significance will happen. It makes me so sad to see LOST in this condition.

Diversion Mar 28, 2007 10:15 PM

The catfight just isn't going to do it for me. I thought today's episode was clever, but it feels like I've read or seen the concept done already (R&J). I have to agree with Sass: good backstory is wasted. I thoroughly enjoyed Locke's last week (and, consequently, discovering more of his motives), but we need some motion.

The Plane Is A Tiger Mar 28, 2007 10:17 PM

I actually didn't mind this episode. It wasn't great, but it was amusing to see the writers kill off the two people they tried and failed to incorporate into the show as regular characters this season.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Mar 28, 2007 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Midna (Post 419870)
Sass, I want so badly to like this show again. Truth be told I didn't watch last week's episode, and am not sure about watching tonight. ;_;

I'm sorry I said anything in this case. ;_;

It seems like filler to me when theres so much they could actually be doing with the audience. They're going to lose us all at this rate. I hear ratings are dropping lower and lower. LeHah was right, LeHah was right. It's going to hell.

Though after last week's episode, I have hope. Locke's episode was fan-fucking-tastic, and I found myself LOVING the same old Lost I am used to. And the Juliette flashbacks are ALSO great. Intense, twisting, et cetera.

But the same old "oooo, look. A connection" isn't cutting it for me anymore. Hell, I wasn't even surprised when Jack's father was Claire's father. Hows THAT for depressing.

I was amused to see Paolo and Nikki go too - believe me, I wanted them gone. BIG mistake introducing them. Way to lose some of MY respect guys. *SIGH*

Hantei Mar 28, 2007 11:17 PM

Haha, Sawyer said it all for me "Who the hell is Nikki?"

What a bummer tonight, I was hoping they'd continue the Locke story from last week. Just another filler. Haha, really sucks to be them, buried alive an' all.

Arthur Dent Mar 28, 2007 11:38 PM

I thought this latest episode was right thrilling; I really did (and not merely because I lead a rather banal existence).

The ol' plot switcheroo--having the end of a story at the beginning with Nikki running (seemingly) inexplicably out of the jungle at the beginning of the 'sode--worked very effectively. The withholding and slow unveiling of information created suspense really well; and *somehow* made me care about the fate of these practically unknown characters. At the culmination of the story, my friends and I were literally shouting, "No, no, NO! STOP! Don't bury them! Gaaaah!" which is exactly what the writers wanted, of course. :p

I think folk are too critical of LOST--a television show--and have way, WAY too high of expectations for how incessantly brilliant and compelling the show should be when, in comparison to much of the swill that assails the T.V.-viewing public, LOST shines.

BlueMikey Mar 29, 2007 12:08 AM

I really like these episodes, they give a lot of balance to the show. Last season all they did was pile secret upon secret on us but the story never advanced.

This year they reveal something, give us a taste of something more, then give us a bit of a break. But the breaks are extremely entertaining. I mean, the episode with the car is one of my very favorite episodes.

Season 1 of Lost was really, really fantastic. Season 2 of Lost was really, really terrible. Season 3 is entertaining...it doesn't have the planning that always goes into a Season 1 (see: Veronica Mars), but I'm entertained every single week. I feel the writers have an idea where the story will end up now (which is why they can spend a week on an episode like this) and I'm happy to be along for the ride.

I don't need the ULTIMATE thrill ride satisfaction every week. That would just get boring.

Rockgamer Mar 29, 2007 12:23 AM

I actually thought this episode was pretty good as well. The flashback stuff was stupid (it does make me wonder how they actually got Nikki and Paolo in some of those scenes, especially with the plane crash, as I doubt they actually re-filmed them), but all the current stuff that happened wasn't that bad. And it ended with the death of some the most useless characters in TV history, so it definitely wasn't all that bad. Plus, Sawyer for the win (since every line out of his mouth was freaking hilarious).

But overall, I'm still not really satisfied with this season. Just as the addition of Nikki and Paulo proved, the writers and producers just keep adding more and more new elements, which bogs the show down since they never address them again afterwards. There's still plenty of questions from Season 1 that probably haven't been answered, yet they still keep adding more things. But this season has been the worst of all in this aspect.

BlueMikey Mar 29, 2007 01:37 AM

Tonight wasn't an add-on, though. I mean, consider watching a show like House. Every episode has several new characters, but they don't return. It's not like Nikki and Paulo will be back next week.

The tendency in S2 would have been to stretch out their storyline over a couple weeks and maybe even never resolve it. Tonight's episode was completely non-serialized, that's great!

Consider it this way, they have been on the island less than 3 months. If you focused only on the main story and the few main characters, the show would become boring and the activities that the characters would be doing would be absurd (relative to the Lost universe, anyway). Last year, you kind of forgot that there were 30 or 40 people in the plane crash, it almost only seemed like 5 or 6.

As much as I love 24, it is absolutely ridiculous the amount they get done in one day. I think if people were stuck on an island, you'd see more activities like tonight's murder mystery and the car episodes: the Hurley-centric universe. You can't focus on the Jack/Kate/Locke-centric universe forever without it completely running out of steam. You ever notice how those characters never ratchet down?

Soldier Apr 11, 2007 10:02 PM

Season 1:

Spoiler:
"I can't have my baby here!"


I love it when things come full circle. This was the best episode of the season, bar none. And the upcoming episodes look very promising.

rockthepartay Apr 11, 2007 10:11 PM

Didn't Danielle Rousseau deliver Alex on the island?

Sepharite Apr 11, 2007 10:13 PM

Wasn't Ben apparently born on the island too?

I poked it and it made a sad sound Apr 11, 2007 10:15 PM

Tonight's episode was alright. I like how we got some answers, but nothing overall that spectacular. I think the majority of Lost fans knew what was coming with Juliet (being a mole). The question is: will she follow Ben's orders?

And yea, I think Rousseau gave birth to Alex on the island.

Ben has been on the island "all his life," so that's kind of ambiguous.

Sousuke Apr 11, 2007 10:17 PM

I vaguely recall Ben saying that he was born on the island. I think it was in conversation with either Jack or Locke, but I'm not sure.

Matt Apr 11, 2007 11:00 PM

Another thing to note:
When Hurley was talking to Juliet and told her that "the last one of you people to come here ended up dead" he must have totally forgotten about Ben's little visit and the magical weather balloon hunt that ensued.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Apr 11, 2007 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sousuke (Post 421732)
I vaguely recall Ben saying that he was born on the island. I think it was in conversation with either Jack or Locke, but I'm not sure.

I could be wrong. Sadly, I have no talent in memorizing dialogue after seeing it once. I am not saying that sarcastically, as I know people who memorize this shit, first time.

I just wonder how Alex...oooo....maybe THATS why they took Alex? From Danielle, I mean. Alex was born on the island and didn't die~

Also, maybe thats why they initially took Jack, Kate and Sawyer? They knew that there was some baby-making potential there? Jack is an added bonus to save Ben.

What if Kate is knocked up. O BOY.

rockthepartay Apr 11, 2007 11:57 PM

They will probably not go down that road considering that Sun is already pregnant.

The Plane Is A Tiger Apr 12, 2007 12:15 AM

Juliet may not know that Alex isn't Ben's real daughter since she was taken long before Juliet came to the island. If you looked at the walls of Ben's house in the flashbacks there were several photos of her. It was only about 3 years prior, and Alex was taken as a baby.

Matt Apr 12, 2007 10:26 AM

While the whole pregnancy thing is interesting, I'm more curious about the cancer-curing powers of Ben's associate. Is he like Michael Clark Duncan from The Green Mile?

More precisely, I'm wondering why Ben's tumor could not be cured. Unlike what Juliet said, "not cancer, a tumor," I thought tumors were cancerous growths. Could the fact that it was a tumor and not something like, say, lung cancer have any kind of effect?

Majin yami Apr 12, 2007 10:50 AM

Yeah, really good episode. I used to like Juliette, thought she was misunderstood, now I just hate her. What's gonna happen in a week and why was she given a gas mask? Are the Others gonna gas the beach or something?

Next weeks looks good as well. From the way Jin was pointing, it looked like there is something coming in from the horizon. Another plane perhaps?

I reckon that when the thing with Juliette happens and makes Jack look like a muppet, he'll be seen as disgraced and Sayid and Sawyer'll take over the leadership role. I've been saying since Season One that those two'd end up as, maybe not mates, but perhaps allies, despite their obvious dislike of each other.

Musharraf Apr 12, 2007 11:16 AM

This weeks episode was okay, nothing special. The end is interesting, I don't know whether she's up to bad stuff after all, I mean, she could also have played with Ben's mind, but I guess Ben offered her to go home (but how??). Oh well, we'll see...

Trigunnerz Apr 13, 2007 11:28 AM

Is it me or does Ben look like Egon Schiele?

http://lostcrazy.net/wp-content/uplo...el-emerson.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...to_schiele.gif



Anyways, I really enjoyed this episode. I figured Juliet had a purpose for being left behind. I wonder how everything will have a logical explanation. Slowly unraveling!

The Furious One Apr 13, 2007 04:44 PM

one word sums up this episode 'Bitch!'

I'd got worried after seeing last weeks episode, Kate is so boring, I really don't care. So I take it the actress and her diamond stealing boyfriend wont be coming back.


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