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Dr. Uzuki Feb 9, 2007 07:18 AM

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Did anyone pick up on the ultrasound scans, she said it looked like a woman in her 70's, then the guy turned round and said that she is 26. Does anyone of the island match this description?
Most likely it was nothing, just an example given to the viewer to help understand what she specializes in and why they want her.

But if they were talking about anyone specifically, they were talking about Sun.

The Furious One Feb 9, 2007 12:31 PM

Ah yeh sun! If only charlie had not been the one that kidnapped her, that would of been an awesome find Dr. Uzuki!

Midna Feb 9, 2007 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki (Post 385733)
Most likely it was nothing, just an example given to the viewer to help understand what she specializes in and why they want her.

But if they were talking about anyone specifically, they were talking about Sun.

How could they have been talking about Claire or Sun when this was a good three years prior to either of them being on the island?

Soldier Feb 9, 2007 01:06 PM

I always thought they were talking about Juliet's sister. They could've gotten a sample from her without her knowing. But it more likely belongs to someone else.

The Furious One Feb 9, 2007 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Midna (Post 385957)
How could they have been talking about Claire or Sun when this was a good three years prior to either of them being on the island?

I wouldnt put it past the LOST script writers to implement time travel :tpg:

Midna Feb 9, 2007 02:03 PM

I thought about that right after I posted. But, seriously, they've already stretched trying to connect everyone as much as I can take. There's a point where it's like "Holy crap, give me a break".

Helloween Feb 9, 2007 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki (Post 385733)
But if they were talking about anyone specifically, they were talking about Sun.

Um, unless i missed something, i'm fairly certain that it was established that Sun has always been able to have children, it was Jin who was the problem. The docter just said it was Sun so that Jin wouldn't get pissed off, and tell Sun's father, only to have Sun's dad give the doctor the what for.

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Originally Posted by Vivace119
''God loves you as he loves Jacob''

This one got me thinking. I'm not the greatest on my old testament specifics, so this could be a bible verse, i'm not sure. If it isn't however this could be big.

This could imply that the Others are religious, possibly to the level of cult. They're brainwashing a defector, with a part of the process referencing a prominent bible character, or one of their leaders. I hope at least some of you remember Ms. Klugh's line "He wasn't even on Jacob's list." This Jacob character has only been mentioned once (that i can remember), and that is during Ms. Klugh's line. This could be the second time we're hearing about this guy.

Then again, it could just be mindless rabble used in the process of breaking the mind in order to reshape it. I don't think that the apperance of Jacob's name is coincidence though.

As for this last episode over all, i thought it was good. It was interesting to see the character contrast between Juliet now, and Juliet then. I also think that Ben is hoping to replace Juliet as the Others' doctor with Jack. Thanks to Jack's kidney sack stunt, there's no way Ben's gonna live up to his end of the deal.

Dr. Uzuki Feb 9, 2007 05:03 PM

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How could they have been talking about Claire or Sun when this was a good three years prior to either of them being on the island?
This is Lost, I fail to see your point. Libby gave Desmond the boat to get there. Castaways are caught passing through the flashbacks of others every other episode. You ask a how question and decide for it to be over that. How the hell does a guy win the lottery with a string of numbers used as a code to punch into a computer to dissipate a electromagnetic charge on a remote island where scientific experiments on humans take place, people see the dead, there's a cognitive wisp of black smoke running around killing people, a island that our mental patient multi millionaire himself will end up crash landing on? That might be a better inquiry than how could the character on the island who was infertile before she got there could possibly ever have the pictures of a shriveled up womb in another character's flashback. Shit, that's just going too far!

Like I said, I don't think it was supposed to be a clue or sign to anyone. But if you want to throw theories around, I don't know how old Sun's character is, but 29 to 30 or older doesn't seem out of the question. There's never a time frame for flashbacks, unless they're events leading directly up to the plane taking off in Australia, so, yeah, you have a lot of wiggle room to think of which events could of taken place near each other. If it was her, that would show evidence of the castaways being cased before they stepped foot on the plane.

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Um, unless i missed something, i'm fairly certain that it was established that Sun has always been able to have children, it was Jin who was the problem. The docter just said it was Sun so that Jin wouldn't get pissed off, and tell Sun's father, only to have Sun's dad give the doctor the what for.
Ah, I see. I missed that episode last season, so I had just assumed from what had been inferred.

Helloween Feb 9, 2007 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki (Post 386187)
Castaways are caught passing through the flashbacks of others every other episode.

I don't have any recollection of this ever happening. Can you give me an example?

EDIT: sorry, i thought you meant that The Others appear in castaways' flashbacks, and vice versa. My bad.

Dr. Uzuki Feb 9, 2007 05:17 PM

Really? Well, there's Libby being in the same mental institute as Hurly, Jack's dad drinking with Sawyer and being on a mission with Ana Lucia, the already mentioned Lizzy/Desmond connection. Sayid and the American commander who ended up as the original man in the hatch before Desmond arrived. I'm sure more as well.

Helloween Feb 9, 2007 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Me (Post 386193)
I don't have any recollection of this ever happening. Can you give me an example?

EDIT: sorry, i thought you meant that The Others appear in castaways' flashbacks, and vice versa. My bad.

Don't worry, i caught on a few seconds after i made that post.

Also, did anybody watch the Lost Suvivor's Guide? Did anyone see any mention of Ana Lucia, Libby, or Bernard? They mentioned Mr. Eko once. Something tells me they regret introducing the tail section characters.

Midna Feb 9, 2007 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki (Post 386187)
This is Lost, I fail to see your point. Libby gave Desmond the boat to get there. Castaways are caught passing through the flashbacks of others every other episode. You ask a how question and decide for it to be over that. How the hell does a guy win the lottery with a string of numbers used as a code to punch into a computer to dissipate a electromagnetic charge on a remote island where scientific experiments on humans take place, people see the dead, there's a cognitive wisp of black smoke running around killing people, a island that our mental patient multi millionaire himself will end up crash landing on? That might be a better inquiry than how could the character on the island who was infertile before she got there could possibly ever have the pictures of a shriveled up womb in another character's flashback. Shit, that's just going too far!

Like I said, I don't think it was supposed to be a clue or sign to anyone. But if you want to throw theories around, I don't know how old Sun's character is, but 29 to 30 or older doesn't seem out of the question. There's never a time frame for flashbacks, unless they're events leading directly up to the plane taking off in Australia, so, yeah, you have a lot of wiggle room to think of which events could of taken place near each other. If it was her, that would show evidence of the castaways being cased before they stepped foot on the plane.


Jesus. Could you please take this more seriously?

I guess I'm getting tired of the show spending all this time connecting the castaways, and nothing getting resolved. At first, I was good with the flashbacks, etc., but there is a point where they need to move the hell on with the STORY and cut the crap with background.

It's frustration talking more than deciding to question that one thing out of all that has been presented.

Dr. Uzuki Feb 9, 2007 05:43 PM

Ah, okay. Yeah, to my knowledge, this was the first full blown others flashback episode. I've really been waiting for them to get to the back story of some of them, hopefully one for Ben isn't too far off.

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Alex is Danielle's daughter....and Ben's? Is Ben Danielle's husband? The one who "caught the virus" and died? Interesting. I dunno if it's a lie or not.

I was just thinking about this when I remembered that Danielle's net trap was what caught Ben in the first place and that she lead Jack, Locke and co. to him where she proceeded to shoot him with a bow and arrow when he tried to run. They had a discussion about whether or not he was an Other. So, if Ben was Alex's biological father, she would of recognized him. He must be the adoptive father after they kidnapped her from Danielle. The question is whether or not Alex knows that.

Minda: Okay, I didn't mean to come off like an asshole, I apologize.

The Furious One Feb 9, 2007 06:28 PM

someone mentioned they got rid of the idea, that everyone was actually dead.
Ages someone also said it was all happening inside Hugo's head lol (BTW they never explained what was the deal with his girlfriend being in the psyche ward aswell!!)
I wonder know if the writers will turn round say Darma organisation managed to reach God, and the devil, to explain all this chaos, and links between characters.

Sinister Feb 9, 2007 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Furious One (Post 386268)
someone mentioned they got rid of the idea, that everyone was actually dead.
Ages someone also said it was all happening inside Hugo's head lol (BTW they never explained what was the deal with his girlfriend being in the psyche ward aswell!!)
I wonder know if the writers will turn round say Darma organisation managed to reach God, and the devil, to explain all this chaos, and links between characters.

I'm guessing they'll flesh out Libby's backstory a bit more in one of Desmond's flashbacks.

ArchesFan Feb 9, 2007 08:03 PM

I'm through thinking about this episode and all the stuff that might happen. I'm just going to impatiently wait until the next episode. Does anyone think they should have added Karl and Alex as new characters rather than Paulo and Coleen and whoever the heck else they randomly created.

soulsteelgray Feb 9, 2007 11:53 PM

Those who are complaining about LOST (just like me) might want to take a look at EW's cover story on LOST season 3. It addresses where season 3 is going to go (which, of course, means slight spoilers for those who don't want to know what might happen when).

There's also a Q&A with Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse which offers a glimpse into season 4 (read: WA-A-A-A-A-LT).

ArchesFan Feb 10, 2007 01:03 AM

Well those were fairly interesting. I could really care less if Michael and Walt come back...I'd prefer the boat mysteriously exploded in the middle of the ocean. But like the general consensus is right now, whatever the "purple sound explosion's" ramifications on navigation or what the heck ever it messed up, he probably hasn't gotten very far. The question is though, if people think that the hatch exploding screwed up something and now nobody can leave the islands...how is it Kate is back at the survivor's camp saying, "We have to go back for Jack!" in the preview?

Mithrandir Feb 10, 2007 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivace119 (Post 385068)
I downloaded the episode to watch so I have just re-watched that scene and here are the messages in order of appearance:-


''Plant a good seed and you will joyfully gather fruit''

''Everything Changes''

''We are the causes of our own suffering''

''God loves you as he loves Jacob''

''Think about your life''

Someone had enought time to actually listen to the mesage backwards:

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2...-time-and.html

It says: "Only fools are enslaved by time and space"

Helloween Feb 10, 2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir (Post 386862)
It says: "Only fools are enslaved by time and space"

Sounds sort of like Ms. Klugh's voice doesn't it?

rockthepartay Feb 11, 2007 11:17 PM

It does. And it really is a great hidden clue.

ArchesFan Feb 14, 2007 11:00 PM

New episode, mainly flashbacks, but I thought it was okay. The ending was kind of a lame twist though, this whole Charlie now avoiding death thing is way to Final Destination for me. Anyway, it's was fairly boring, but it wasn't terrible. I'm more interested to see next weeks episode so we can find out what has happened to the kids.

The Plane Is A Tiger Feb 15, 2007 02:14 AM

Yeah, I thought the same thing about Charlie's twist. That could partially be because I ended up sitting through Final Destination 3 last week (I don't know why), but the part that bothered me was how Desmond phrased it. Is he having visions or are we supposed to believe that he's travelling back in time several times a day? Most importantly, why did the hatch's implosion take his clothes?

This week's episode was okay, but I just didn't like how it was entirely Desmond's flashback rather than cutting between flashback scenes and activity on the island. That balance kept things interesting.

Wall Feces Feb 15, 2007 08:54 AM

It was a complete cop-out to the question "what happened to Desmond when the hatch blew on up?" I think more people are wondering how did the hatch become a crater and not kill any of the people inside of it?

The whole time-travel theory is one that I really hope they avoid, because for a show like this that has no answers to its questions, the last thing we need a question that literally can't be answered in regards to how he can physically move through time and space like that.

I dunno, I thought it was a good episode but I'm afraid they keep biting off more than they can chew, and time travel is something that even dedicated time travel movies have trouble explaining.

I also really hope that "what are Jack's tattoos" isn't one of the THREE BIGGEST MYSTERIES, because that's not a fucking mystery, nobody cares except for Jack fangirls (whom all flock to Sawyer anyway). I am interested to see what happened to the kids, but I'm sure all it will do is answer it with another question.

*sigh* oh Lost, where did you go wrong...

Put Balls Feb 15, 2007 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sprouticus (Post 390837)
in regards to how he can physically move through time and space like that.

"Only fools are enslaved by time and space."

Desmond is no fool. □

An excellent episode, from my point of view. I'm more interested in character development than a weak plot anyway. They'll drag the story forward at some point when they feel like it (just like they've done for two whole seasons already, if someone hasn't been watching the show). In the mean time, I'll most probably be very content with what I'm seeing right now.


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