A.) "Christianity" means evangelism to you? Wow. That's kind of fucked up. You'd think it would mean something more like "moral code," "personal guidance," or "a way of life."

Instead, you think it's about recruiting people to join your "club."

B.) Do you really think anyone in society doesn't know who Jesus was or what he taught. (I am, of course, excluding those folks who live primitively in the Amazon and shit like that. I hope you never get your dirty little hands on them)

This thread is worth keeping open just for gems like this. Haha.

Missionaries still swarm the globe in an effort to do what I have done and do alot of good in their efforts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Auca

Despite the current view of the Christian faith we continue because of reactions like yours. Its not a club its a way of life that has changed the world for the better.

Research the origins of the most prestigious educational institutions in the U.S. & the older charitable institutions as well. You will find the Bible has alot to do with their founding.

What have you done except annoy people and give Christianity a bad name?

I would imply something about "Armageddon," but I think it would go over your head.

They swarm the globe and annoy the shit out of everyone who has an established faith.

That's DEFINITELY arguable. "For the better" is what you say. "For the worse" is what I say.

Wars are fought over bullshit like this. People DIE over such trivial crap.

I hope you start critically thinking soon.

I was under the impression, by the way, that pride is a sin. You may want to consider that when preaching your tripe.

If I were starving and uneducated, and someone brought me food and said "this is a gift from the great leader Bozo the Clown", I would probably start wearing big red floppy shoes in his honor too. While the people may be grateful for your interventions, I have a hard time believing that the sole purpose of their new found faith is enlightenment, I would say it's more survival. The people helped in these tribal cultures are more than likely listening to you because you bring them aid that anyone could give them. You just got there first.

So exactly what age were you brainwashed again?


Because The Crusades were definitely for the better. Nothing like millions of deaths that make you wanna give yourself a pat on the back!

Yeah, the Jesuits. And we all know that people that go to "Jesuit" universities today are preaching the word of the Lord. They wake up on their Sunday mornings while hungover after a night of heavy drinking and sleeping around. Let's face it, even institutions that were built on the basis of any kind of religion in this country is lost on those who currently run them.

Since you are not a Christian you are in no position to judge my statements.
The option of the experiment I told you about is still open.

As I stated before I will accept biblical correction & retract my statements if I am in error.

As a practice of a biblical command to believers.
You ask me to abandon a practice of my faith to make you comfortable.
Acts 5:29-Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!

No. People die because they react in judgment of others without knowlege and mercy.
Show me a biblical verse to sustain your opinion.


This is how you think.

I would be rich if I got a nickle every time I heard this one.

The crusades are NOT sustained by anything in the bible. The "christians" involved in that struggle broke every rule in Gods word. Blame the self justified leaders and the ignorance of their followers not the bible.

This is a grim truth that I will admit. Over the years my people got lax and just handed it all over. They got tired and weaker in faith with every new generation. At one time folks like me were not seen as an oddity but our true adversary has been hard at work.

Thus far, you have only brought irritation, frustration, and contempt down upon yourself and Christianity by your peers. These are certainly not the good fruits Jesus speaks of.

Your ridiculous assertion that, since he is not a Christian, he is in no position to judge the opinion of those external to Christianity is utterly without merit. If it is your duty to be an evangelist, and be a good ambassador to the non-Christian masses, you are doing a piss-poor job of it.

And don't go whining about good intentions either. Good intentions are irrelevant if the acts it inspires are not performed properly/effectively.

ABANDON YOUR FAITH?

Jesus fucking CHRIST, man. What did they brainwash you with?

You don't even KNOW WHAT KNOWLEDGE IS. You intentionally remain ignorant!
Show me evidence that God exists and then we can talk.

LordSword, I don't know what your major mental malfunction is, but you're pretty much the prime example of what will be eradicated in future generations thanks to Darwinism.

"I hope and pray god will cure me! Only HE can save me! It's all up to him!"

*DROPS DEAD*

Says who? Who is this God character?

I know that question probably crosses the line between respecting what people believe in and being an asshole, but seriously, who the hell even knows this "God" exists? For all we know, the concept of "God" was created by a group of people with financial and military power to keep people in check.

Proverbs 11:2
Proverbs 16:18
Proverbs 18:12

While I'm at it:
Yeah! You really showed him, especially with this:
Never mind he didn't say he had to "abandon [his] faith," he said "abandon a practice of [his] faith." Good job attacking him with a statement he didn't make! Trolls couldn't do better.

Of course, lets also disregard that terrible secret that no one ever talks about; that evangelism has been a major pillar of Christianity (including Roman Catholicism) since its inception. Truly, this is a work of fuck-upedness and brainwashing that would put Jim Jones to shame(if the poor bastard were still alive today:(). Yeah, you totally know who Jesus is and what he taught.

Oh, never mind that bullshit. The last fucking thing Jesus said to his followers wasn't really of any importance to Christian practice. Yeah. Thats totally straining the bounds of reason right there. Those evil Christians. They don't really think that there's an afterlife, and there are more important things beyond this world. Their philosophical approach to the world isn't different from your own. Its all just a cover for their evil purposes of destroying the world with NASCAR, Bibles, and Buddy Christ bumper stickers.

But of course I'm just repeating whats already obvious to you. You know who Jesus was and what he taught after all. :cool:

Ah, now I see. All biblical conventions should continue to be practiced today.

I'll grab the sheep, you get the kindling. Time to sac-ri-fice, baby.

That's incredibly ignorant. Biblically speaking, sacrificing animals to absolve sins was no longer needed after Jesus sacrificed Himself on the cross for the sins of mankind.

I'm not saying you should believe either one way or the other, by all means, form your own beliefs, but at least be informed about the things you are going to discuss.

Thanks. That's the argumentative equivalent of "NO U!" or "NUH UH! YOU'RE WRONG!" You sit there and judge everyone else, how does it feel to be on the other side of the pedestal?

And everything YOU say is how YOU think. Prove to me how it makes you RIGHT, then I'll agree with you.

EDIT: And if you say "because the Bible said so" I swear... I'll... do something yet to be determined.

Okay. I'll accept that one.

I believe the comparison to a biblical practice that should no longer be in use today is still valid.

"Abandoning a practice of his faith" has nothing to do with "spreading it like the plague." Faith is not a sales pitch - it's a human emotion. If I say to you "BE HAPPY!" will it actually make you happy? NO.

Who gives anyone the right to preach to anyone else? Especially when it's completely speculative?

Faith is usually a personal thing. If only Christians would get that through their heads. You stay out of my head, I'll stay out of yours. That is, by no means, requiring anyone to "abandon the practice" of their faith.

He can talk about Christ, the book, the devil, the alien race from Planet Ogo until he turns BLUE IN THE FACE. Just don't preach it to people who have already asked to be spared the sales pitch.


Yea, Catholics. Let's use them as an example of "spreading the good word." Great idea. Their conversion rate is insane, anyways. No one who actually wants to enjoy life is a Catholic.

Brainwashing does occur in religion - do you deny it? I shouldn't say brainwashing, per se - but the "fear of god" is put into a non-believer.

It's not evangelism that makes Christianity so infectious - it's the shit the Bible says that will happen if you don't believe. Oldest tactic ever: scare the shit out of them - they'll believe.

I don't think Christians are evil at all. It's when they start fucking with other people that I get pissed.

I did the whole Bible school and shit when I was a kid. I don't know verses from the book because I chose not to. There's a reason I got the fuck out of that business early on (ie: I actually started to think and not blindly accept).

I have nothing against Jesus. I don't know why you'd think I do.

It's his followers that really aggravate me - and not even all of them! The majority of Christians are totally fucking rad with me. Like I said: stay out of my head, I'll stay out of yours. Most Christians I know are pretty much to themselves, and have no underlying desire to yap at me about their god. Just like I don't yap at them about my lack of a god.

You seem like you're a Christian, eh? You're cool in my book. You're not preaching. You're not telling me that you have some kind of crazy proof from space or anything. You just say "Hey. This is what I believe in." And I say "Hey. That's cool."

I don't have Jesus's shit memorized at all.

And why should I? No one actually FOLLOWS ANY OF IT. Christianity kinda makes shit up as they go along. Go ask the Vatican. Go ask the Protestants. Go ask any sect of Christianity ever.

NO one has it right. No one ever will. That's my point.

DarkLink: Sounds like your perfect god isn't so perfect if he has his son head to earth to change his fuck-ups for him. =/

Are you referring to the Catholic comment? 'Cause that was a joke. =/

(But seriously. Who wants to be Catholic these days. All self-loathing, but no way to off yourself.)

Otherwise, there were no generalizations that I can see. Maybe you misunderstood me.

Lumping them together how? By saying "You believe in Jesus lololol?"

=/

I am pretty sure I was clear that I don't lump Christians together in that last, long post. I went out of my way to do that, 'cause I'm pretty down with the Jesus-lovers when they're not preaching.

Or are you just looking to argue with me again?

It's true. I was born and raised in an Italian neighborhood in Boston, completely catholic... baptized, confirmed, religious education, Catholic high school, the whole 9... and for the most part I still can't believe that their beliefs on God or Jesus are the true story. Perhaps we aren't meant to know the true story.

And can I just say one thing? Mormons got it right, man. They do their thing, are so close to religion, and not once have I ever had God shoved down my throat by a Mormon. I had two Mormon roommates in college that woke up at 5am with shirts and ties on to go to church on Saturday and Sunday. Never once did they get on me about my drinking, smoking, pornography, ANYTHING. They just went about their business and did their thing, and for that, I ENVIED THEM.

Why can't you Christian Fundamentalist fuckheads be more like the Mormons and GET OFF MY E-LAWN!

Perhaps there is no true story.