Ow, you got me. I just don't appreciate this guy trying to start shit.

Ha! I knew somebody would compare the Space Pirates to the standard enemies in other games! The difference there is most of those enemies damage the main character only by bumping into them, while Octoroks shoot rocks (or whatever) at Link. Space Pirates, on the other hand, have a decent set of moves they used against Samus in Metroid Prime.

Yes, I've been reading this thread. Cel-shaded Link was mentioned in this thread as being Young Link before that article appeared, which mentioned nothing about Young Link's moves. After it appeared, Helloween was the only one that said anything about Young Link's moves:

and I commented on his specific moves and that he'd play differently than the other Link.

Considering that this is all speculation, I don't think anybody but the producers knows anything about any of Cel-shaded Link's moves.

I had read her profile right when the site had launched but never went back to it. When I was typing my post last night I was doing everything off the top of my head and didn't remember that. I admit it, that's my bad.

I fail to see how saying something similar to what's been said once and forgetting one thing about a character among that big post is equivalent to "A lot of shit that proves I didn't read enough." If somebody just said one thing and nobody repeated it or quoted it along with a "I agree..." then this thread would be a fraction of it's size. (Not that I'm complaining.)

Additionally, I was going to comment on things that I noticed or though of, like how the castle in the background of a few screenshots looked Fire Emblem-esque, but it's already been discussed that it probably comes from Path of Radiance. I also thought of the idea that certain alternate costumes could use different powers, like Vaccuum Luigi, etc., but Acer's already suggested it and it's been discussed.

And, you need to cool your jets, buddy. It can't be good on your health to get so bent out of shape so easily.

Ah, I see. Thanks for that. Hopefully, it will be some type of hybrid weapon. That'll be interesting!

Double Post:
And he won't. If he comes back with his fists swinging, I'll ignore it.

That's fair enough and perfectly understandable.
I also saw you clean up your post to be more courteous, which was a commendable move.

For WW YL there are many more weapons that could be used to distinguish him more from Adult Link, as they are trying to give each character their own personalized move sets.

Deku Leaf: Can do an Air Gust attack, and can float with it.
Grappling Hook: The Grappling Hook is different from the OoT Hookshot in that rope is attached instead of a chain. Not a big deal, but might translate into different moves.
Mirror Shield: Has appeared in many Link games, including WW, and becomes more useful each time. Should get an appearance in SSBB.
Skull Hammer: Used like other Hammers in LoZ games, but this one is wicked powerful.
Tingle Tuner: Though I'm not a big fan of Tingle, how cool would it be to direct him into battle and drop bombs on foes? Might be a bit difficult to make that work, but still worth a look.
Wind Waker: He could conceivably control some wind and create a mini-tornado attack or something.

I don't mean to be rude, but where is the confirmation beyond the fact that someone pasted in text that looks official?

If you do a Google search on that supposedly popular show, all you get is references to this exact block of text quoted on message boards only. No official sources other than someone posting it on a board that they heard from another board.

So, is it Sakurai confirming it, or someone putting words in his mouth?

There is no such radio show called "The Gaming Show" or "The Gaming Exchange".

I am 99.99% sure this is started from some stupid people trying to start something. EVERY SINGLE SOURCE is traced back to this French site. It's pretty much a dead end from there.

While I'm not saying that the aformentioned characters will get in or axed, I'm saying that Sakurai never confirmed ANYTHING. This rumor isn't even a rumor, just a joke that did amazingly well.

It did seem too
1) early for such announcements
2) out of place for such announcements (like not on the dojo site)
3) odd of announcements to announce.

Three strikes your out.




But I still like my WW YL post. Heh.

I really don't think Cel-shaded Link will offer anything that Young Link didn't, other than that lame little conducting wand of his, which doesn't exactly lend itself a great deal of potential to a game like this.

Is there a such thing as a WWYL? In WW, Link was neither young or old. He was.... Link (If memory serves me correctly ((opposed to OoT)) So should it be just simply WW link?

Most imagine that WW Link was probably about the same age as OoT and MM young Link. I know in WW that Link has a birthday but I can't remember how old they say he was. My guess is anywhere from 8 to 12.

He is also not a link O.o. If he was in the game what would he look like? I dont think they could use the same cel shaded look on him since most of the characters in the game..despite their appearance in their own game...is changed to a detailed "realistic" texture. So what would they do with WW link

Mr. Game and Watch wasn't changed at all. He wouldn't be, either.

Y'know, I actually got thinking about the WW version of Link, and how he could be different. I've already heard the Deku Leaf mentioned, and I think it would be an awesome distance attack that had long start up, low damage, high speed, and good knockback. I've also heard the Wind Waker itself mentioned, and I can see potential for that, too (warp ballad as an attack, anyone?). Honestly, I would love it if they included some of the things from WW into this Link. I can easily see him becoming more unique than the TP version of Link, and some of these ideas I have are just sex. =D

They probably didnt change Mr. G&W cuz he wouldnt look anything like the original character. They could put "realistic" textures on WW link and he'd still look like ww link...just....weird.

What?

LoZTP is actually going to use a mix of cel shades and realistic textures. SSBB can use this aw well to have both cel shaded characters and realistic ones.

I dunno, something I read about ww link being the first link not to be part of the same blood line. Unlike all the others he doesnt have the blood of a royal knight or whatever, nor does he have any connection with the triforce of courage which the OoT Link started. He is basically just some fisherman kid who earns the right to be the new hero of the triforce....or something.

Eh I guess I just cant see a little 2 tone cel-shaded chibi getting smacked around with the rest of them. But is is super smash bros...anything can happen =x.

When did Link's family tree become an issue. I thought we just assumed he was al the same, regardless of amount of cel shading. Just accept that he it Link and he has a sword and stuff. People shouldn't over-analize (fucking spelling) something as lame as whether or not link's family history is spotless from one game to the next.

Ah no, that didnt have anything to do with ssbb. It was just cuz people were talking about whether or not to call him WW young link or not. It was questioned and I explained. Where's that old Wind Waker thread? >_>;

Well no they shouldn't, if they don't care about story and character development.

What you're missing is the fact that Link's development (or lack of) throughout the series is crutial to the game's story, as it is with any series. You might as well be saying "fuck story, I want me some good graphics".

Anyways, enough about Zelda, now to try and stay on topic.

I think it's a given that WW Link will be in the game, at least as a cameo. SSB is more or less about Nintendo History, and the melding of everything Nintendo. WW was a big part of Nintendo, it's a freaking Zelda game.

True dat.

You know what I hope returns to Brawl that was in the N64 Smash Bros. but not in Melee?

The character intros right before each battle.

Each character had their own intros they did before battle. Fox and Captain Falcon got out of their machines, Samus stepped out of a Super Metroid save station, Link came off of a beam of light (like he did after defeating the bosses in Ocarina of Time), Mario and Luigi jumped out of warp pipes, Donkey Kong escapes from a DK barrel, etc. It was one of the things in the game that helped it create that feeling of "Nintendo melding" and nostalgia and I don't see why it was removed from Melee.

Another thing that I missed in Melee were a few elements from the classic Super Mario Bros. stage - namely the POW block, the piranha (sp?) plants, the warp pipes and the two-level design on one side of the stage. The breakable bricks and ? blocks are cool and all, but I liked the SSB stage better. I hope that in Brawl, they bring back all of the classic Super Mario Bros. stage elements.

Yes it would be nice if they went completely nuts and included all the stages thus far. That be a lotta freaking stages though. >_>

No sorry, you misunderstood me, and it's my fault. I meant all of the classic Super Mario Bros. stage elements, not everything from Melee.

Will fix post.

Man I can't wait for the next update on this. I wanna see if Little Mac and Dedede made it in.

I can't wait for Prince of Persia. But Like Most Dreams.... It won't come true.
The king will probably mae a cameo appearance though.
(If they make any good Kirby Stages.... The others sucked)