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Soldier Nov 1, 2006 11:12 PM

I second your WTF. He was my favorite character from Season 2. :(

Also, I'll take a guess that Juliet's little videomessage was part of Ben's master plan. We saw that he knows how to con with Sawyer's pacemaker, so it should be no surprise.

I like how he consideres Jack's prescense in the island as an act of God, though. Who's to say if it was coincidence or not.

rockthepartay Nov 2, 2006 01:18 AM

I'm just so ridiculously happy that we finally saw the monster attack. The best part is that it didn't look cheesy at all. In fact, it was really well done.

The entire episode was executed perfectly, and I'm glad that Eko went out in a dramatic fashion. It's too bad, though, since Eko was a great character and complemented with the rest of the cast very well. Eko's flashbacks were usually pretty solid too.

Yeah, we still have absolutely no direction for Season 3 (outside of saving Jack, Sawyer, and Kate), but considering that the episode focused on retracing the shows steps, which were left over from previous seasons, that it didn't really need to.

I just loved the little things in this episode such as the woman telling Eko that he owes his brother a church, and Locke (finally) explaining what he saw when he first encountered the monster.

I don't think the monster is the cause of all the hallucinations (such as Locke's or Walt appearing in front of Shannon), but it's hard to say since we don't know what the monster is exactly doing and why it is doing it. Didn't the map from the blast door say that the "cerberus" system was malfunctioning? Does Desmond have any idea of what the monster may be from Calvin?

One of the interesting things I realized during tonight's episode is how the bodies of Jack's father and now Eko's brother are missing. I wonder why that is.

I'm still willing to give the new characters a chance, but they are starting to just get in the way.

Looking forward to next week, but it'll let me down because I know there is going to be a huge cliff hanger that will bug everyone until it starts up again next year.

Rockgamer Nov 2, 2006 01:21 AM

Wow, that episode was freaking stupid. They killed off one of the best characters on the show for no real reason, those two new people are so freaking annoying and no one can actually take them seriously, and once again The Others do nothing but say and do confusing things. This season hasn't been the best so far, so hopefully we can just ignore these six episode and hope for good episodes when the majority of them air next year.

Wall Feces Nov 2, 2006 02:37 AM

I was DEVASTATED when Eko died. Literally devastated. He was my favorite character on the show and they fucking offed him for no good reason at all. And to top it off, they killed him in a retarded way. The smoke monster grabbing him and fucking him up? Please. That was absolute bullshit. I really want to hear the explanation for THAT.

Other than that, the episode was brilliant. The bit with Juliette and the TV was so incredibly well done. I think what will happen next episode is that Jack will save Ben, and then Juliette will kill Ben right then and there.

Should be a good finale despite the horrific disappointment with Eko's death :(

JasonTerminator Nov 2, 2006 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sprouticus
Other than that, the episode was brilliant. The bit with Juliette and the TV was so incredibly well done. I think what will happen next episode is that Jack will save Ben, and then Juliette will kill Ben right then and there.

I'm pretty sure it's all just a test to see if Jack is willing to kill someone. Ben is the Other that he hates the most and, therefore, the one he'd be most willing to kill.

But I don't think he'll do it. It's his nature to save people, being a doctor and all that. He didn't resist too much when they asked him to save that female Other, which says a lot about him.

No. Hard Pass. Nov 2, 2006 03:36 AM

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20061101.jpg

makura Nov 2, 2006 06:50 AM

I bet in reality, Eko's actor foresaw that the show was getting gay so he requested his character to be killed.

I really fucken thought that Eko's visions were divine and that he would have the right path to follow. But now, WTF. So all those dreams, apparitions.. are all part of that stupid monster? Is this island really about coincidence and no faith at all?

I just wished Eko would have made his peace with God, Yemi, etc before he went if he had to go. But no, they made him die while being attacked viciously.

And the stupid party they formed... "Ooh! I'm a new extra the writers just slapped into this season. I have titties in a tight shirt! I'll join you guys!... Along with my boyfriend.."

Let's not forget this scene..
New girl: "I know! the TVs are links to other stations! I'm smart!"
Locke: "Duhh... Why didn't i think of that? My character must be purposely written as stupid so a new one can take all the credit"

EDIT:
Yeah, this pretty much explains why he was killed
http://www.cinemablend.com/celebrity...ourt-1137.html
and this
http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/st..._list;title;11

Krelian Nov 2, 2006 11:57 AM

Eyepatch man had me staring at the screen and going "HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK".

Also, it's pretty obvious now that
Spoiler:
the monster can take human form

and further, it's even more obvious that
Spoiler:
the "unrevealed appearance" of the monster in S2 was Hurley's "friend" Dave.


This episode paid the fuck off. Good to see you back, smokey. Only gripes I had were Nikki and Paulo (as always), and Nikki magically figuring out shit Locke is apparently incapable of. GARGHJSDJIF.

Musharraf Nov 2, 2006 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RPG Maker
WTF
Spoiler:
I can't believe they killed Eko!
Also I don't like how they threw in the new characters.

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I think it's okay, he has been very weird of late anyway. I mean, better him than Sawyer or Kate. They could have killed Jack, though. I just hope that nothing happens to John!


However, I liked the latest episode. Sure, they are fucking with our minds, but at least we know that it's going to be pretty intreresting.

Spoiler:
I do have the feeling that Ben is the good guy and that bitch wants Jack to kill him for her

speculative Nov 2, 2006 01:20 PM

Eko was too much like Locke. The two characters worked when they were fighting over the hatch, but now that the hatch is gone and they are both on the same side again, it was redundant to have the both of them.

Also, the Locke vs. Jack issue hasn't been played yet at all this season because they are separated. This gives a very different feel to the season. Instead of being philosophical and large, it's more immediate and small. This was bound to happen as details about the monster, the Others, the hatches, etc. was revealed though I guess.

What Ben said as justification for the existence of god... could just have easily been a plot all along that the Others had planned, since they seem to know everything about each passenger... I wonder if Desmond's hatch partner from before the plane crash was actually one of the "Others," since Ben seemed to know all about the button in Locke's hatch.

And yeah, who the heck are these new characters? They just seem like cannon fodder, as every main character in the past has been introduced through flashbacks...

Krelian Nov 2, 2006 02:33 PM

Oh, and why did Ben mention Juliet looking like Sarah? That weirded me out. What's the significance?

I poked it and it made a sad sound Nov 2, 2006 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Krelian
Oh, and why did Ben mention Juliet looking like Sarah? That weirded me out. What's the significance?

Are you KIDDING. ;_;

Seriously, dude. Think.

Ben wants Jack to trust Juliet. If Juliet resembles his EX WIFE, a woman he LOVED and was obviously ATTRACTED TO, he would have an easy time confiding in Juliet. Ben went out of his way to toy with Jack's head with his confidant.

Teioh Nov 2, 2006 03:01 PM

Just how many of the tail section survivors are still alive actually? Bernard, ..? He's next. And Cindy is gone until she reappears.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
Spoiler:
If they kill Sawyer, I swear I won't watch the show anymore.

About that 3x06 trailer. While looking for it on youtube, I mistakenly clicked on 2x06, which was another episode Sawyer "almost" died ;D


My highlight for this week's episode definitely was the eye-patch man. He looked scary, yet better than the E.T. everybody was seeing in the preview trailer.

Musharraf Nov 2, 2006 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
Ben wants Jack to trust Juliet. If Juliet resembles his EX WIFE, a woman he LOVED and was obviously ATTRACTED TO, he would have an easy time confiding in Juliet. Ben went out of his way to toy with Jack's head with his confidant.

I, too, think that Jack will be pretty fucked if he actually believed what Juliet told him. But I just hope he knows that himself.

Krelian Nov 2, 2006 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
Are you KIDDING. ;_;

Seriously, dude. Think.

Ben wants Jack to trust Juliet. If Juliet resembles his EX WIFE, a woman he LOVED and was obviously ATTRACTED TO, he would have an easy time confiding in Juliet. Ben went out of his way to toy with Jack's head with his confidant.

Crossed my mind, but I wasn't sure at the time. :/ I just dismissed it as being... Trivial.
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Originally Posted by Teioh
better than the E.T. everybody was seeing in the preview trailer.

"E.T."?

Soldier Nov 2, 2006 04:11 PM

Looks like PA lost its faith (hur hur) with Lost.

Snip: How the hell did i miss that?

Personally, I like the fact that they aren't spelling out what'll happen in the show. Keeping things open like this mean that just about any scenario can occur, but you'll never be able to figure out which one. Looks like they borrowed the concept from 24 and Prison Break. I just hope they don't pick a randomly stupid path (Jack Bauer's wife having amnesia? Racist Hillbillies stealing the super important disk? A bobcat? Come on).

Off topic, but I'm very much looking forward to Daybreak. I love the Groundhog Day concept, and I think a whole show (or at least season) devoted to that idea is very interesting. My TV Guide voted it as best new show of the fall, so I'll be keeping watch.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Nov 2, 2006 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
Looks like PA lost its faith (hur hur) with Lost.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20061101.jpg

I guess you didn't see this posted a page back. =/

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Personally, I like the fact that they aren't spelling out what'll happen in the show. Keeping things open like this mean that just about any scenario can occur, but you'll never be able to figure out which one. Looks like they borrowed the concept from 24 and Prison Break. I just hope they don't pick a randomly stupid path (Jack Bauer's wife having amnesia? Racist Hillbillies stealing the super important disk? A bobcat? Come on).
So....what exactly did you say in this post? You.....hope that they keep the plotline wide open, but you hope that they won't exploit that wide-openness?

Quote:

Off topic, but I'm very much looking forward to Daybreak. I love the Groundhog Day concept, and I think a whole show (or at least season) devoted to that idea is very interesting. My TV Guide voted it as best new show of the fall, so I'll be keeping watch.
Personally, I think that show looks like such shit. Repeat the same day over and over again, EXCEPT without Bill Murray?

The only reason Groundhog Day was an awesome movie was because it had Bill fucking Murray and it was funny. As in COMEDY.

This shit with Taye Diggs looks like absolute crap. I won't be watching. The same day relived every day, having to prevent the death of your girlfriend? What a headache.

Soldier Nov 2, 2006 05:52 PM

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I guess you didn't see this posted a page back. =/
Nope. :tpg:

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So....what exactly did you say in this post? You.....hope that they keep the plotline wide open, but you hope that they won't exploit that wide-openness?
What I mean is that I like how you can't immediately guess what's going to happen next, but that I also hope the path they take isn't a stupid one.

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This shit with Taye Diggs looks like absolute crap. I won't be watching. The same day relived every day, having to prevent the death of your girlfriend? What a headache.
It isn't just about saving his girlfriend (though I'm sure that takes priority). The TV Guide preview went into more detail, listing lots of little things that happen, each worse than the other, leading to the big shootout that kills his wife. I like the idea of someone trying to connect all the pieces together, hoping that he doesn't miss any lingering details that result in a similar or worse fate. I can imagine him after his 20th or so attempt going a bit insane, being as meticulous as possible but ultimately failing every time. It's like that Treehouse of Horor where Homer is running around dodging every rock, leaf, and bug only to sit on that poor fish at the end.

The Furious One Nov 2, 2006 08:46 PM

Cant believe they killed off Eko, and such a gruesome. Eko had the best flash backs! I hope he does return in some form, even if it is the monster thing.

The guy with an eye patch, I swear the promo made it look like some alien!

http://www.geocities.com/austinpowers741/number_two.jpg

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4...cap0000ai2.jpg

Sepharite Nov 2, 2006 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Krelian
Spoiler:
the "unrevealed appearance" of the monster in S2 was Hurley's "friend" Dave.

That doesn't explain why other people couldn't see him. Unless it was a combination of the monster and Hurley's craziness.

I'd be pissed if the monster was actually the Oceanic survivors on the Island. And the others are the actual survivors. WTF. (Not making any sense)

Helloween Nov 2, 2006 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
Also, I'll take a guess that Juliet's little videomessage was part of Ben's master plan. We saw that he knows how to con with Sawyer's pacemaker, so it should be no surprise.

This is just responding to all related sentiments of this nature.

I'm not so confident in this idea. I'm hoping that the writers are finally cluing into how the show's almost gotten too big for it's own shoes, and they're now starting to actually go somewhere finite. I think the Others are planning a rebelion against Ben, or maybe just Juliet wants him gone, and she's conning jack into believing that everyone wants him dead.

Also, remember when we saw Ben asking Juliet why she showed Jack his X-rays. I'm thinking that Ben has just resigned himself to trying to reason with Jack, no tricks, but Juliet's getting the upper hand on him.

I'm also willing to bet that the guy in the camera was a member of Roussau's science team. Maybe he'll finally give us some answers as to the numbers, or even just to Roussau herself. I also think it's time she made another apperance.

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What Ben said as justification for the existence of god... could just have easily been a plot all along that the Others had planned, since they seem to know everything about each passenger... I wonder if Desmond's hatch partner from before the plane crash was actually one of the "Others," since Ben seemed to know all about the button in Locke's hatch.
Unlikely, as that guy was in Sayid's flash backs as an officer of the American Military in Iraq.

Morrigan Nov 2, 2006 11:36 PM

I liked how Eko refused to beg for forgiveness. Finally, the reverse of the cliché. Still sucks that he died, but he died "doing his best".

Show's getting pretty bad otherwise, though.

Sousuke Nov 4, 2006 06:09 AM

Okay, I'm going back a little bit here, but I didn't really see it mentioned.

What's with Desmond? [And Eko?] Ever since the hatch blew away, they've been having these visions and whatnot. And Locke... I don't think anything happened to him in that sense, did it? Forgive me if this HAS been posted already, I didn't see it.

zergkiller Nov 4, 2006 06:14 AM

I don't know about Eko being the best character. Locke has style and is so cool. Loses the plot a bit which i'm pissed about.

The Furious One Nov 4, 2006 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sousuke
Okay, I'm going back a little bit here, but I didn't really see it mentioned.

What's with Desmond? [And Eko?] Ever since the hatch blew away, they've been having these visions and whatnot. And Locke... I don't think anything happened to him in that sense, did it? Forgive me if this HAS been posted already, I didn't see it.

Locke lost his ability to speak, Eko was the most interesting addition to series 2 I had high hope for him in season 3, I can't believe they killed him off so early in the season =/ Now we are back to the boring trio, only Locke and Sahid are the ones that retain my attention (but Sahid has had a very quiet season so far, I suspect that the next episode will be Sahid focused)


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