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Alice Mar 5, 2006 04:09 PM

You know what, Plarom? I wouldn't have a problem with your first line at all, provided we had at least had a semblance of a conversation first. It's actually kind of nice.

But that's completely different than just strolling up and saying, "Hey you, can I have your phone number?"

Timberwolf Mar 5, 2006 04:10 PM

Both Alice and Devo make good points.

This post by Devo makes sense to me:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devo
Why do people think going out isn't a way of getting to know someone?

You can simply do activities that would help you get to know them. I thought that was the point of "dating."

What the fuck is wrong with people?

Do people expect different things out of dates?

Alice Mar 5, 2006 04:11 PM

Yeah, it actually made sense to me too. =/

I just don't like the idea of someone just totally walking up and asking me for my phone number. It's just creepy. I can't believe any woman is arguing that.

Smoodle Mar 5, 2006 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plarom
It's my understanding that lots of girls do this.. But I'm trying to figure out the logic behind this.

My point is that it's veeery easy to label a dude as a testerone-filled, pussymongering, sexually driven manwhore. Even though it's a safe assumption to make, it isn't exactly fair for those who may approach a girl with genuine intentions.

Would it make more sense to say this-

"Hey. Ya know, you seem like a very nice girl and it'd be awesome if I got your number. Maybe we could chat for a little, or grab a bite to eat."

OR

"Hey. I saw you from around the way and I just couldn't resist coming up to your and asking for your hand in marraige. From what I can tell, you are everything I want in a woman and I'd like to start a family with you, have 7 kids, and be buried in matching plots when we grow old together and die."

Apparently, in both cases you're labeled a creep.

:juggler:

Exactly. But, thankfully not all girls are like that. You don't want the girl who thinks of you as a creep, anyway.

Alice Mar 5, 2006 04:15 PM

OK, Smoodle. Look at it like this: You are actually able to pull off walking up to a completely unknown girl and getting her phone number without having any sort of conversation with her first. You two hit it off and you start dating. Wouldn't it always be in the back of your mind how easy it was for you to get her number? Doesn't anyone value a girl who is a little more discerning? It would worry me to think that I was going out with a girl who was so easily "procured".

Smoodle Mar 5, 2006 04:16 PM

Why? And no. Life's too short to worry about shit like that.

Smoodle Mar 5, 2006 04:19 PM

I'd say they're doing it for themselves, as a sense of security ... but everyone's different.

Timberwolf Mar 5, 2006 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland
OK, Smoodle. Look at it like this: You are actually able to pull off walking up to a completely unknown girl and getting her phone number without having any sort of conversation with her first. You two hit it off and you start dating. Wouldn't it always be in the back of your mind how easy it was for you to get her number? Doesn't anyone value a girl who is a little more discerning? It would worry me to think that I was going out with a girl who was so easily "procured".

I'd agree that at least an initial casual conversation goes a long way. As a guy, you should at least see how a girl carries herself before you go ahead and ask for a date/number -- no matter how physically attractive she is. At least know a little bit about her.

Alice Mar 5, 2006 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Devo
I'm sure a lot of fine looking ladies have had their fair share of stalkers, so any attempt to suddenly invade our privacy does in fact scare us. Even just a phone number in the wrong hands can be quite the hassle. It's best just to give her yours and hope for the best. Or talk to her first before just outright asking for her digits.

What the hell, Devo? Isn't that exactly what I just said?

Alice Mar 5, 2006 04:32 PM

What. The. Fuck.

I said the exact same thing you said, woman. All I said was that a guy should talk to a girl first before asking for her phone number, which is exactly what you said, and you flipped out.

P.S. I wear very little makeup and NEVER dress like a ho.

Plarom Mar 5, 2006 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smoodle
You don't want the girl who thinks of you as a creep, anyway.

True, that's why I'm trying to figure out the differences between those who would consider me a creep vs. those who wouldn't. The line between the two is almost impossible to discern.

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Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland
It would worry me to think that I was going out with a girl who was so easily "procured".

Likewise. That would be pretty awkward for me since, as you said before, there has to be some sort of preliminary conversation if you're seriously considering dating. That would leave maaany questions unanswered, and you may be getting into something that's well over your head.

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Originally Posted by Devo
It's like wearing meat and wondering why the dogs are sniffing you.

YES. What you say about women being attention whores is pretty accurate. Furthermore, I think women who turn down men feed off that just as much as they do the attention they received. As if it's empowering to get a man all worked up and lift his confidence, only to dash all his hopes and belittle him as a person.

NYRSkate Mar 5, 2006 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland
P.S. I wear very little makeup and NEVER dress like a ho.

I don't know why the government is investing all this money in rebuilding the levee system in New Orleans. Next time a hurricane comes through, they just need to have you spread your legs at the mouth of the Mississippi and everyone will be spared.

Smoodle Mar 5, 2006 04:40 PM

To me, the procuring is just the initiation. If she goes with what I have to offer at first contact, and we hit it off and have a long-lasting relationship, I couldn't care less about why she was so "easily" procured. It happened, we're both happy, and that's all I'm thinking about.

kat Mar 5, 2006 05:56 PM

I just have to say that some girls like wearing makeup and dressing up a bit simply for themselves, not for unwarranted attention. It's like saying it's a rape victim's fault because she was wearing a short skirt.

There's a fine line between dressing up for attention and simply dressing up. The dressing up for attention girls get what they deserve but I'd hate to think I can't wear a fucking dress out in public without being bombarded by guys and then when I reject them, be called a bitch with a stick up my ass. Because believe it or not, the first thing going through my mind in the morning when I'm getting dressed is not "How can I clothe myself to crush as many man balls as possible today."

Should we all just wear burkas so we won't get any attention at all? Because that's what this is starting to sound like.

SemperFidelis Mar 5, 2006 06:05 PM

Yeah, seriously. Girls strive for attention, and when we give it to them, they think we're freaks. I guess it wasn't me who she had in mind :(.

Fjordor Mar 5, 2006 06:05 PM

I have heard from many sources that women also have a tendency to like to dress up merely to try and show up other women, or to just impress other gals, not to get attention from men.

Smoodle Mar 5, 2006 06:10 PM

I like girls in sweats and plain t-shirts with little to no makeup. Am I an oddball?

kat Mar 5, 2006 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devo
Never said people deserved what they got, but they know full well what they're doing if they have the looks and the style.

Exactly what are they "doing". Dressing like a girl? Dressing pretty? I've had friends attacked at clubs because of what they were wearing and have come across my far share of sleezes. Does that mean I'm not allowed to wear a tank top and tight jeans to a club, because men might take it the wrong way? There has to be a better solution to these problems than just "It's the girl's fault because of her looks and style."

Like I've said, there are some girl that dress up simply for attention. We all know girls like this, they get what they deserve but how do people distinguish between the attention whores and the ones who just dress how they want to dress for themselves.

Plarom Mar 5, 2006 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kat
We all know girls like this, they get what they deserve but how do people distinguish between the attention whores and the ones who just dress how they want to dress for themselves.

I agree with ya there. Girls who 'get what they deserve' gives a bad wrap for all the other innocent girls out there. Some girls wear makeup for no particular reason other than to look a little bit better than normal. However, there are girls who use their elevated looks as a weapon, and procede to use this weapon on any hapless guy who may cross her path.

Moreso, how to distinguish the evil attention whores from the good is what I've been trying to figure out since I first came across this thread! I'm beginning to think it's impossible, however.


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