But Pang owns a Gamecube! Pang is obviously more qualified, therefore, for this lofty and important position.

Also, I played Halo, like, all the way to the end! I enjoyed playing that game and also I bought it legitimately! I am therefore qualified to mod a forum about Halo. For example, if someone made a thread in Microsoft's Halo about, say, drain cleaner, I'd know it didn't belong there, because there's no drain cleaner in Halo!

Pang feels Gearbox has received an unfair amount of the blame for Halo's clumsy PC port, which was still very enjoyable! Pang has significant and varied opinions on many Halo-related subjects! Pang doesn't know why everyone is so hostile to his declared candidacy! Pang suspects it has something to do with being an honest cop who isn't on the take!

Pang feels sad when people are mean to him! :(

I own an Xbox! 2 of them, in fact! Clearly I am more qualified than Pang because I actually own ALL THREE next gen consoles!

Come on now, lets be serious Pang. You're the last guy we need to fix this problem, get over it and move on.

Your comments in russ's journal entry on this subject say otherwise. Your name was brought up because you have said things on this subject that show you don't really give a shit.

That's good to know, like I've said above. It's nice to know now that a solution to the problem is being formulated and put into motion. It's a shame we didn't know before, so this thread didn't turn into a waste of time and effort on all our parts.

I didn't mean to imply you are as horrible a mod as Minion was. If you ask me, he belongs up there on the staff shitlist with people like Cain. I do, however, have a problem with your attitude, as do many others. The concert hall comment was made because it seems like all the staffers who "originate" (for lack of a better word) from there turn into huge jerks after they gain any sort of powers.

And I do believe I said the "but it doesn't get a lot of traffic" excuse wasn't a good one. We've all come to the conclusion that that should make the forum easier to moderate, not easier to ignore.

But the problem is that there are bad posts! I, too, dislike bad posts! I will get rid of them with massive efficiency! I fail to see the contradiction here.

Anyway if you own a PS2 this only proves you to be a huge Sony Fanboy that hates MS and wants them to fail and also you're a communist for the same reason.

Seriously, Pang. You're stalling progress here. Can we get a thread ban on this guy already?

EDIT: Pang has been thread banned, mission complete!

Thanks Skate.

Phew, now that this threat has been averted, I guess everyone can get back to, uhh, 'solving the problem' in this thread. (?)

Most of Aard's replies are shorter than that Devo, we should take what we can get.

Yeah, yeah, rolleyes. Serious business Status Report / Mod Hut leak: there have been three threads for adding potential new mods. The votes are currently at 94%, 50% and 10% (heh) in favour for each candidate. So if the 94% person accepts the position, there should be at least one new moderator soon. (shrug)

BM has a tendancy to jump into discussions about staff and just stir things up..I don't think we need any more of that, particularly.

You guys want a solution, right? So calm the hell down and wait for us to figure it out. It's been in discussion for longer than this thread has been in existence, as face already pointed out. You bitching in here is really just upping postcount.

Incidentally, Skills, I think it's kind of ironic that you're bitching about how bad moderators turn out when they were chosen specifically to mod the Concert Hall, yet you can't understand why we're reluctant to do the same for MW. From what I understand MW has an infinitely worse posting-level overall than the Hall, which means we should be doubly careful who we promote from there, no? Anyone we promote is automatically able to mod everything after the three month "testing" period--which is, by the by, simply a formality since no one has ever been demoted after their stint as a regular mod. You of all people should understand this, since you seem to be so against face and Minion.

I'm not saying it's the fault of the Hall, it's just a coincidence that two of the staffers I find/found most grating came from there. That's all. I'll retract that specific statement if it means people will drop it, as I never meant for that to become this big a deal.

I also don't see why moderators have to be promoted to super mods after 3 months, especially when all that's needed is someone to moderate one small section of gaming. You don't have to promote them to super mod. An exception can be made because moderation in the other forums is, for the most part, pretty well done. You don't need anyone to moderate other areas. The only thing that needs help is the Window.

So we mod them only to do MW, and leave them as the only staff member who's not an SMod? How fair is that?

Well, I suppose the idea is that we shouldn't all be sMods in the first place. On one hand, I can sort of agree with that, but it would be weird to be restricted to three forums after having been a sMod for half a year. I dunno, I guess it's something that can be discussed.

Oh, "fairness" is what tha't sall about? Ok, that makes more sense now.

However, it doesn't need to be fair either. The theoritical person in question should understand that they are only being brought on board to moderate the Window. It's not a regular staffer position you're filling. It's more like an emergency stopgap or something.

Sorta like those temps that get hired in the office only to fill out excel spreadsheets all day. Sure, they aren't full blown accountants but they get the work done and they understand that that's all they were hired to do.

Way to misinterpret things. If I didn't give a shit, why would I have commented?

I was surprised when I saw that entry because it made me think there had been a leak of some sort (hence the "Vegas" comment), as we had been discussing the issue in the Hut for days prior to that. I also objected to Devo's bitching as an efficient way of solving problems, but that's nothing new.

Okay, let's hear about all the horrible things I've done since I became a mod. What's wrong with my attitude, and who are the "many others"?

For the record: I didn't gain access through the Concert Hall. I was first added as a general purpose mod, with the Concert Hall only being a little bonus.

I only said that because the world "superfluous" was used regarding moderation in the Concert Hall. I wasn't trying to make MW sound like a non-issue, just saying the result might not be pretty if you remove the "superfluous". Yes, I get defensive.

Actually, I thought that the Vegas comment {}

was referencing the fact that the most recently active thread in MW was a thread for the game Rainbow Six: Vegas, and that you felt like MW was not active enough to be of any concern to the serious business at hand elsewhere on the boards. That was how I interpreted it.

As far as wanting to find someone who would behave responsibly {in a manner befitting a moderator}, recent activities by a staff member illustrate the point that no one on staff is perfect and you will find no one "perfect" to moderate MW. I personally think {not that my opinion carries much weight, nor should it} that Shin or Devon would be ideal candidates for moderating MW because they know the subject matter, own the consoles, and are what I would consider good, respectable members here.

I am a mod for the people!

like pang would have been ;_;

or lurker

Consider it this way:

We only hire super mods, because we only want people considered to be good enough to be super mods on the team. The first few months is more or less a trial period to make sure that someone doesn't go and, like, fuck everything up I guess.

There's no such thing as "only good enough to mod MW".

Well maybe you don't need every moderator to become a full out supermod. I wouldn't see the problem with having subforum frequenters only be a moderator of that particular forum, and possibly be a s.mod later on. But a little second-tier moderator section with certain people in certain forums might be an ok idea.

The reason why everyone was made a supermod way back when is because people like me bitched that they were constantly getting fed problems in #gfchat and they couldn't take care of them because they were restricted to their couple of assigned forums. Back then we kept assigned forums and only used supermod abilities to take care of obvious problems when nobody else was around. Nowadays, forum assignments seem to be a little looser than before with people just going with wherever they're feeling ilke for the time.

Vegas is a sort of codeword for mods that originated a few years back with a thread that we had in the hut. Sadly enough, it was the first thing that came to my mind when I read your post and before I read face's comment.

As someone who started out as a regular moderator before all mods were bumped to supers, I can say that I think this would raise our efficiency level quite a bit. Knowing that a person is responsible for a specific task makes it seem less like an insurmountable object. It's like making a list of chores. If you know you have certain things to do, it can help you get them done. Thinking something like "Well, I should probably clean house" isn't going to give you much motivation. Sure, the mod team has forums they're responsible for by title, but not in practical nature. I think reducing the amount of responsibility would increase productivity.

Put plainly, I think some of the overall spam problem can be reduced if we go back to the old moderation system. There's no real need for all the super moderators we have, in my opinion. People have made the argument that a supermod or an admin needs to be present all hours of the day just-in-case-something-bad-happens. I suppose to a certain extent that may be true, but it seems to me like an exaggeration of the potential problems.

I don't think that if there is a period between 4 and 6 am during which there is no supermod or admin present, that a major catastrophe will occur. But even if it does, then we know there are people who are primarily responsible for it.

Well, I think it would help if we actually posted the moderator assignments, no one really knows who does what right now. I mean, I know I follow the computing forums and Nintendo, but it's not written down anywhere, and it needs to be.

To be perfectly honest, if we explicitly assigned a current mod to MW, even if we weren't all super mods, I bet that person would stop moderating it shortly after.

No, no, that's true, I understand that part.

BUT

If I don't consider someone good enough to be a full moderator, I don't want them in charge of even one forum. The rest of the mod team may feel different, but that's my opinion.