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O, but I would. I so would.

Well, no. You can't.

You can respect them

Or admire them

or idolize them

or fetishize them, in some cases.

But you can't be proud of them, because words mean things.

Nobody's telling you guys that you can't feel the way you do, they're just saying that it's not pride. Pride necessarily involves the self.

If I mow the lawn, I can be proud of how well I mowed the lawn.

If I pay some kid to mow the lawn, I can still (tangentially) be proud of myself for indirectly causing the lawn to be mowed.

If I just show up at home and find that some random samaritan has mowed my lawn, I have nothing to be proud of. However, I can still be happy about the new state of the lawn, and I can admire the excellent job this lawn-mowing stranger has done for me.

It's just grammar, kids. No need to get so butthurt over it because you're not good at it.

I guess national pride is a myth then.

Thanks for debunking that Gamingforce, whatever would I do without you?

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Hey CAPO, I got 6 words for you and the rest of the GFF American hockey fans.



Fuck, what a game. Sidney Crosby, just amazing.

That was a great hockey game. Or at least I think it was, since I pay zero attention to hockey most of the time. Can't believe the NHL wants to pull out of the Olympics, what with all this positive publicity and all.

I kind of want to watch the closing ceremonies, but really, NBC. I don't know if I want to sit through tape-delayed nonsense with cuts to commercial breaks every 5 minutes. If I see that McNugget commercial one more time...

Right, give us the grammar lesson because GFF is the first and only people to take pride in someone else's actions.

I'm just not really clear on why "admiration" is a really shitty emotion that we shouldn't admit to feeling, to the point that we have to substitute something else.

This willful ignorance is making it hard for me to be proud of you guys

Nah that's called patriotism and it makes a lot more sense because your nationality legitimately has something to do with you

See, if we use the word "pride" instead of "admiration", then we imply by extension that we DO have something to do with the individual or individuals currently being exalted, and in the bargain seek to exalt ourselves. We cannot simply be happy for a hockey team, for this gains us nothing. We must seek to tie our own individiual identities to said hockey team, and in so doing provide ourselves the illusion that we, too, are exalted.

Posting in a Canada thread because I need to be adorned with northern glory.

You're having a hard time understanding that having pride indicates an admiration in actions?

Yes, pride is a form of admiration. A specific form.

Similarly, all oranges are fruit but not all fruit is in the form of oranges. If you claimed to be eating an orange, and I looked and saw that you were in fact eating a banana, I would rightfully point out that it was not an orange whereupon you would get all indignant for some reason which would be kind of baffling to me

But this entire derail is actually kind of spergy when I look at it so pffft

V I do actually, just not this massive grand-scale bullshit. Sorry for being interested in what things mean? :shrug:

Well, I'm a little disappointed by the way that game turned out, but I can't say I felt that the US had the better squad. As crazy as this might seem, I was sort of rooting for the Russians the whole way just because they carried players from the Washington Capitals.

Also fuck Sidney Crosby; what a whiny bitch.

Google Fight : Make this fight with googleFight national pride VS national admiration

Google Fight : Make this fight with googleFight pride group VS admiration group

I already conceded, you know.

where would I be without beating dead horses, Pang

where

No, you don't. Pretend it ends with Neil Young.

Ahahaha typical Capitals fan (or Flyers - they're basically the same kind of person).

Hmm, well google seems to agree as well:

http://imgur.com/x69MQ.png

Also, a great survey amongst NHL players really breaks it down. Check out questions 3 and 4.

Sidney Crosby's a hell of a player, but he's a bit of a prima donna. Ovechkin on the other hand, is somewhat of a badass.

Crosby wins championships.

Ovechkin goes out of his way to shove girls to the ground.

I have to give Ovechkin credit, at least he managed to last the entire game before storming off in a fit. He's come a long way since the World Juniors.

Well Diss, there was no Phaneuf to put him into the first row this time.

On a positive note: this hockey final could not been anymore special. Both teams deserve praise but as a Canadian... YEAH GO CANADA HAHAHAH.

It would've been great if the closing ceremonies didn't suck really badly. :(