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No. Hard Pass. Nov 22, 2009 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Krelian (Post 734118)
>reversion to previous line of reasoning in lieu of addressing current topic of conversation
>immediate contravention of previous statement of non-participation in argument
>implication that you are not paying any attention to me
>seven quote-replies to my posts

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Yeah, we're done here. Congratulations on undermining any point you may have tried to make earlier. If this was gameFAQs, you might have had a chance of some small group not noticing how insubstantial your reasoning is, but I'm afraid here, among a group of largely adult human beings, you're sort of hooped. You're a child, Krel. Enjoy your sandbox.

P.S.

Devo, it'd be Louise Brooks. Not Bergman.

Bernard Black Nov 22, 2009 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LeHah (Post 734114)
So you're *entitled* to luxuries now?

Nevermind things like health care or food or clean housing or public schooling - the INTERNET is now a god-given, national right!

Not at all my sweet. My point being that people who require it for something they are paying for have limited access to it. You pay £1200 for a course and then say that, although pretty much required, the internet is a luxury.

Krelian Nov 22, 2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 734120)
Yeah, we're done here. Congratulations on undermining any point you may have tried to make earlier. If this was gameFAQs, you might have had a chance of some small group not noticing how insubstantial your reasoning is, but I'm afraid here, among a group of largely adult human beings, you're sort of hooped. You're a child, Krel. Enjoy your sandbox.

>inability to provide adequate retorts to criticisms of a defense more perforated than a slice of swiss cheese
>more straw-men
>implication of insubstantial reasoning backed itself by insubstantial reasoning
>implication of childishness

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Misogynyst Gynecologist Nov 22, 2009 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Devo (Post 734119)
Lehah would get a Gillian Anderson bot

Oh Devo, you could never win my heart <3<3<3

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black (Post 734121)
You pay £1200 for a course and then say that, although pretty much required, the internet is a luxury.

1.) How is the internet required? I have things called BOOKS which are much, much better than a Wikipedia or whatever it is you kids use these days.

2.) If you're struggling to make ends meet because you payed amount X to get into college Y, maybe you shouldn't be in college and should be out working instead? I mean, thats kinda DUH to me but I have a couple years on you.

Bernard Black Nov 22, 2009 11:19 PM

I could bum libraries 'til the sun went down. But it's a sad fact that education has melded assignments into online activities. People take these courses with a view of getting something more out of life than their low-wage jobs, only to discover they need the internet to do such a thing. I'm on a course with people who aren't as fortunate as to have savings, such as I do, who find that parts of their coursework involve tasks that are specifically based on educational websites.

Krelian Nov 22, 2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LeHah
2.) If you're struggling to make ends meet because you payed amount X to get into college Y, maybe you shouldn't be in college and should be out working instead?

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Originally Posted by LeHah
I mean, thats kinda DUH to me but I have a couple years on you.

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Misogynyst Gynecologist Nov 22, 2009 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black (Post 734125)
But it's a sad fact that education has melded assignments into online activities.

That is sad - but not nearly as sad that you think you can't do those assignments by using a library, your friend's PC or any other number of things. God, how many places have free Wifi hotspots now?

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black (Post 734125)
People with limited cash are on these courses so they can get better paid jobs. See where I'm going with this?

Yes I do. And its silly. The concept that you are hurting for cash somehow gives you some kind of inalienable right to mass media access? In your country? Don't they still tax televisions and stuff? Maybe you shouldn't be in school if you can't fucking afford it in the first place.

Bernard Black Nov 22, 2009 11:35 PM

Aye, your first point is valid.

Your second, however... how is someone who isn't born of rich parents meant to pay for software that is vital to the course? I could mention a huge amount of music software that costs £300 a piece for some courses, but you get my point. Yes they still tax television. But your post makes you seem to assume that everyone *has* a television. Are you saying that education is only for the rich?

Starf**kers Inc Nov 22, 2009 11:37 PM

Perhaps the problem here is that people see the internet differently.
which is fair enough, the internet is a completely different entity, that's the simple appeal of it.

however where some people might watch youtube, blog and go on forums (THAT'S US! SEE WHAT I DID THERE???!) millions depend on it to make a living.

so naturally questioning it's nessescity (excuse the spelling) is a lost cause?

Additional Spam:
*necessity

there we go!

Starf**kers Inc Nov 22, 2009 11:49 PM

but back to the education/rich thing,
I have to agree with Bernard on this,
I do a media course where the university supply so much, rooms full of macs pumped full of video editing software, tv studios, radio/recording studios.

But still, i see people everyday who's parents decided to buy them several thousand pounds worth of equipment getting better marks purely because they've had so much more time working at home on projects.

Really the Student loans company should take equipment like that into consideration when dishing out the loans...

honestly though?

I blame the ******** <--- insert minority here

Misogynyst Gynecologist Nov 22, 2009 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black (Post 734128)
Your second, however... how is someone who isn't born of rich parents meant to pay for software that is vital to the course?

I like how you're all "I hate this law against filesharing because I want people to be able to break the law and steal" and then you complain about feeling robbed over the price of music software.

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black (Post 734128)
Are you saying that education is only for the rich?

Yes, thats exactly what I mean. What do you do, go down to the grocery store and buy £12000 worth of food and then say "Sorry I only have £10" and walk off thinking you paid your debt?

VitaminZinc Nov 22, 2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Devo (Post 734111)

I totally would.

Cause, it's making a copy. The original still exists. It's all good.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Nov 22, 2009 11:59 PM

Thats the best post of this thread, Devo

Bernard Black Nov 23, 2009 12:04 AM

Lehah: My disagreement with the law that has been passed goes beyond education. But in relation to your post, take Starf**kers's post into account. There is bias towards people who can afford better equipment, and no kind of monetary aid to those who don't have that option. It's a skewed system, and they don't expect people to take advantage of file sharing because of it?

So people who are poor should stay poor because they can't afford something better? Yeah, I'm warming to you Lehah, really warming to you. How else are people meant to better themselves, move further in society, other than through education? It's the only feasible way to get a decent job these days. Those are some great first-world ethics you've got.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Nov 23, 2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black (Post 734138)
...There is bias towards people who can afford better equipment, and no kind of monetary aid to those who don't have that option.

Oh good, you're Nikita Khrushchev now. Let me know when your Berlin Wall falls, girl.

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black (Post 734138)
How else are people meant to better themselves, move further in society, other than through education? It's the only feasible way to get a decent job these days. Those are some great first-world ethics you've got.

Wow. How old are you again? FURTHER SOCIETY? Is this an episode of Star Trek? Are you written by Ted Sturgeon?

I mean, the naivety is fucking glowing here. I honestly think we've come to a true and blue impasse based on your lack of real-world experience.

Starf**kers Inc Nov 23, 2009 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LeHah (Post 734142)
Oh good, you're Nikita Khrushchev now. Let me know when your Berlin Wall falls, girl.

wowwwww... someone did GCSE history...

free education ftw...

Bernard Black Nov 23, 2009 12:21 AM

It's an undeniable fact over here. To hell with your accusations of my lack of real world experience; it's through my real world experiences I've come to this conclusion. I wouldn't be so pig-headed as to wave such opinions around without the aforementioned to back it up.

Yes, I've known people who have been in industries which allow them to move on to better and greater things without formal education. But there are certain jobs that don't allow for such proclivities. Education is the only way up in those circumstances, and there are too many variables in such a situation to make education a feasible financial option for everyone.

Starf**kers Inc Nov 23, 2009 12:31 AM

Dear Devo:

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Jessykins Nov 23, 2009 02:23 AM

So did I miss the memo stating when GFF became 4chan? Because I'd like a copy now if I could get one.

Grail Nov 23, 2009 05:10 AM

To be fair, despite the fact I've been laughing my ass off between the arguments and kitties, what I got from this whole deal is the fact that for no reason other than the 'suspicion' that you pirated something whether it's movies, games or music you are the scum of the universe with this new law.

That's fine and dandy. Pirating = stealing = bad sort of mentality. I get that, I got a letter from Paramount a month back saying that I was the second coming of Hitler because I watched Monsters Vs. Aliens because I was bored off my gourd.

I like to think, however, the heart of the matter lies within the direction it seems this new 'law' seems to be going over across the lake so to speak. Essentially this is all about copyright infringement, if you do not own it, then you can not have it in any format at all. That in itself makes sense...but I think people are afraid of how FAR this will go, like a butterfly effect.

Essentially right now it's you get a hell of a punishment for the assumption or suspicion you downloaded music/software/movies a company owns. Five years, ten years, fifty years down the line who knows then, maybe you could end up being sued because you do not have the right to have an avatar of a popular video game on your forum profile, or you are allowed to use a picture of the beloved Dr. Cox because, quite frankly, you do not own the rights to use those images.

Crazy impossible scenario I know, but 20 years back people never would have imagined you could 'steal' right from the comfort of your own home.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Nov 23, 2009 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jessykins (Post 734153)
So did I miss the memo stating when GFF became 4chan? Because I'd like a copy now if I could get one.

Yes, it was issued 4 and a half years ago.

Jessykins Nov 23, 2009 05:16 AM

So are there any fucking copies or not? Christ.


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