You'll notice there's no video of a precinct that served the forms. Because it's not inflammatory and doesn't serve an anti-police agenda.

Which is why no one can arrest such a person. Don't mistake my comments here as some kind of misguided patriotism. I just recognize the need for peace officers to be able to use their own judgment in capturing criminals. I may not agree with the degree or the circumstances in which they use it, but by necessity you cannot have a police force that always serves the will of individual community members. Talking about a free society is kind of moot in this case unless you advocate shotgun justice.

It shouldn't. You're trying to make my argument out to be something it's not. I'm more concerned that everyone seems ready to gloss over the police point of view and that it isn't simply spite guiding these officers to say what they're saying. I prefer to grey the lines when I see stuff like this because frankly it bothers me when the first thing everyone grabs is the pitchforks.

A few days ago, reading this thread, tighter taser procedures struck me as a very good idea. It still does. But I can think that, and still simultaneously understand the hesitation an officer would feel at giving out a form to someone clearly agitated and trying at all costs to avoid police contact of any kind (not simply with the officer they're accusing.)

Don't make me out to be a bad guy simply because I'm not calling for blood in 100% of cases shown here.

100% of the cases shown here are clear abuses of police power. If you aren't calling for blood then you are in fact the bad guy.

Looking at things from the police perspective is irrelevant. If we did, though, we'd have to arrive at the realization that the police are belligerent to any attack or complaint against officers or departments because the police are in effect a class of their own. Police unions are uniquely evil in that the nature of police work means that abuses of power are an inevitability, either by accident or intent. It's in the interest of every cop to cover each other's ass lest they end up finding themselves being buttfucked by some liberal prosecutor as well. That is the brotherhood of police, that is the blue wall of silence.

If there was one precinct that served the form, would that invalidate all the rage against the precincts that did not?

With neither of us being in the police and having first hand experience, I don't think there's much more to say except "I believe differently." I acknowledge the blue wall of silence exists, and I acknowledge the need for watchdog groups, but I don't say it's universal.

Maybe it is naivete. I'm certainly no stranger to it. But this whole form scenario strikes me less as clear cut abuse and more as social norms colliding. (i.e. duty as an officer vs. duty to community)

It would make the police seem less like a collective, abusive entity. There might have been not just one, but 18! or 50%! But the fact that we don't know (and the video makes no attempt to convince us otherwise) gives me pause. I think it's great that the site the video links has not just a wall of shame, but a section for praiseworthy officers and precincts.

I don't really care what the police seem to be. All I care about is getting a complaint form without being harassed, when I need it, where I need it.

So here's your choices. Reality time. You have to accept that there will be some people who don't want to give it to you. That means you can either A) run your head against a brick wall, or you can B) take advantage of watchdog groups and alternative channels to achieve the same ends. This is what I said from the beginning.

Is it sad that you can't simply get the form from anywhere and anyone you like? Yeah. Unfortunately that's kind of the way the world works. It just so happens personal grievances against police officers isn't high on a lot of congresspeople's priority lists right now.

This coming from the guy who would just calmly and rationally discuss why he is not going to provide identification to a pissed-off cop?

Yeah, I'm buying your reality check.

Like I said. Brady wanted to do a theoretical. If I was really in a position where I wanted to file a complaint, the first words out of my mouth would be
"I"m Jackson Awesomeface, and you need to give me a complaint form. What about? How about Officer Tweedledee that punched me in the face for a traffic stop on August 18. You need my license? Here."

But I couldn't do that for obvious reasons because we're talking about people who are scared of the police and refuse to give out their info.

I wonder why some people are afraid of the police and Skexis isn't?

I don't remember ever saying that race isn't an issue. Maybe because I didn't ever say that.

But continue by all means. I'm sure you'll fill the thread with pages of things I haven't said.

And for the record, for people who claim to dislike abusive people/cops, you two throw an awful lot of contempt around in your posts.

It's because Skexis has half the Texas constabulary in his pocket. You don't get to shift the sort of weight he does without crossing a few palms with silver.