All the info from the mag -

Wow, and I thought Sony's PR was out there, but this takes the cake. For one, getting headshots with the Revolution remote will only require minute movements as well. It would be incredibly stupid if they expected you to be waving the controller in front of you for the duration of the game. And secondly, a controller alone hardly makes everything better than another console (this should be obvious from the fact that the Gamecube has the least functional controller of the 3 yet is still able to have good games on it).

Otherwise, the game seems to play like a refined Dino Stalker. But now you can use the controller's rotation to determine how you twist your arm (kinda useless when you get down to it, I think), and looking around is now based on the controller's aiming (no idea how they expect you to be able to look around when you're using the controller as a sword, unless they take the "lock on" route with it like Maken X did). It will be interesting to see how it actually works in the game. I'm a bit worried about length though, this seems like it could end up being a Max Payne 2 affair. It almost sounds like they built the game as a tech demo for the controller, so I'll wait and see if any of these cool sounding ideas the game contains actually works out for the game mechanics.

Wow. I don't even know what to say. This game is going to be fucking incredible. Any naysayers out there anymore?

Cool sounding =/= good game

I think anyone that automatically assumes a game is great based on a preview in a magazine needs to have their head checked. Lets try, you know, PLAYING the game before we start calling it "fucking incredible".

The people at Game Informer who did play the game basically called it fucking incredible. Not that I trust their opinions particularly, but they're more well-informed than any of us, so I'm inclined to believe them before the likes of Megalith or BK, who probably haven't been in the same state as the controller before.

I agree, while Red Steel sounds great I'm going to be cautiously optimistic about this until I see some gameplay vids or until I personally get some hands-on time with it.

That aside, I for one would like to see the swordplay in this game in action. Also the whole idea about being able to choose whether or not to spare a boss' life seems pretty neat. It sounds like for once I won't be able to just Rambo my way through the game and manage to bring down an entire evil organization on my own. Although I'm not all for the whole idea, flies in the face of years of FPS progression where the deeper you get, the bigger the guns get. I just hope they'll let me keep my larger guns for later, just in case things get really hectic and my patience runs out. Nonetheless a promising game.

Good Gravy, hasn't the "tech demo" schtick worn off by now? Every goddamn videogame is a tech demo.

"OMG this one has trilineaer antisopitropic lemon-squeezed Specular-Bumpy-Maps OMG"

I remember Infernal once calling the original Mario game for the NES a tech demo. Ne'er a truer word was spoken, it was very much a tech demo. But it still stands as a shining achievement in video gaming, and to this day is still an incredibly fun game to play. More than a lot of the games we see nowadays.

You know, from DS titles, I'm finding that if you're going to make things multiplayer, it's pretty damn annoying if you don't include WiFi ability. I get that it is important for them to do multiplayer one-console style, but I think the DS has proven that Nintendo fans are hungry for online play. It took a while after the DS launched for WiFi to finally appear, it would be nice if the Rev launched with good online titles. Especially for an FPS, UbiSoft would be wise to add in the right capabilities.

If people want to talk about how the controller relates to the game, fine. But a rehash of the old opinions of why the Rev rules/sucks because of the controller will not occur in this thread. Which is what was starting to happen back there.

But tech demos refer to games that use a piece of technology for the sole purpose of seeing what it can do. The way GI describes this, some things about it would fall into this catagory. I mean really, is it necessary to be able to hold your gun sideways to shoot? No, but it's cool, and it's a way to show off the controller.

Lets face it, most major launch games for new hardware try to use the capabilities of the system however they can just for the heck of it, everything from digitized voice in Altered Beast to the minigames in Mario 64 DS. And there's nothing wrong with that, as long as they remember to put a good effort into the game itself while they're adding these cool features. I'm just hoping the controller compliments the game instead of the other way around. The options in the game do sound cool, but it's their execution and integration that will really count.

Solis, the entire POINT of the revmote is to change the way games are played.

If you read the summary of the article there, the minute controls you can make with the revmote compared with the dual-stick controls that console FPSs usually use has allowed UbiSoft to make extreme changes in the AI of the enemeies to make things more challenging, as well as the way the player interacts with the environment.

Because the Rev senses movement in 3D space, compared with a mouse, which is just on a 2D plane, you can make more realistic movements with your weapons and the environment.
You can't make a throwing movement with your mouse, nor can you emulate the action of knocking over a table for cover.

The revmote is therefore an extension of your hand.

The whole gun-tilting thing isn't necessary, obviously, but it makes more sense, because you CAN, and it looks more natural as well on screen if you're making the actions too.

And I think it's a bit early to talk about the length of the game right now - especially if you're trying to make it out to be a negative aspect of the game.

Actually it is. If you've played any of the recent Ghost Recon games, developed by the same team behind this game, they incorperate a peak around corners button that allows you to take pot shots from behind a wall for instance. Half the game is built around this aspect. It willbe incorperated in a similar way for Red Steel.

Its nice to finally see some news about Revolution games from time to time now. Maybe Nintendo is hand picking games to which ones should have information released to the public to slowly build up the hype.

Nevertheless I think Red Steel has been chosen to be demostrated at E3 given that fans and possible fans been given a little taste of what's to come.

ty for the info grubdog.

This looks awesome. I don't see how anyone could possibly not want to at least try this.

Also, can you imagine this shit on a giant LCD TV? Holy crap. So what if it's only 480p.

Yes, but I'm talking about the gameplay ITSELF, not the way you play it. No, you can't make the same movements with a mouse as you can with the Revolution controller, but that doesn't mean you can't push over objects with mouse/keyboard controls, and it certainly doesn't mean you can use grenades with them. It changes the way you do these things, but it doesn't mean the game is automatically made better or different by them. That's why I'd like to play the game for myself (or at least see it being played) instead of going by the description from a preview in a magazine. Especially Game Informer...


It's a potential negative aspect, just like everything listed is a potential positive aspect. A game's ideas are only as good as their execution. You don't see anyone talking about how Trespasser set the standard for how interaction should be handled in FPS games, after all.


Yes, but that's kinda the point: you don't NEED the controller to be able to do that. In fact I can't think of many recent FPS games that DIDN'T allow you to do that in some fashion. I'm sure it might make it a bit easier to do (or maybe just more immersive, since I can't see it becoming easier when every other game allows you to do it by pressing a button), but it doesn't offer something new and never before seen because of it. But how would tilting the controller to lean against walls work if you're using it to tilt your gun?

note how i said mouse.
not keyboard.

if you walked into something and kept on going forward, then yes, you would be pushing something, according the the mouse/keyboard configuration.

i'll explain it again:
the thing with the mouse/keyboard configuration for FPSs is that the aiming AND CAMERA are the same mechanism.
Whereas with the revmote, the aiming is independant of the camera, ie, your gun is not aimed directly at the center of the screen so that you are not moving the screen around to aim.

As far as the Revolution and the revmote are concerned, the gameplay IS dependant on the way you play it.
Everything here is related to the gameplay anyway.
Any little animations add to to make a believeable experience in-game.

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Interesting.

I think some of you guys are simply exaggerating the whole topic. What makes you think that this game will be kick-ass? We know some facts and two or three screenshots, which look quite nice. But that's it, nobody of us ever played a game with the Revolution controller. Equally, it's too early to say that the Revolution will be the best console ever, bashing everything else away.

From my point of view, the game's idea sounds alright, although it isn't anything new - After all it's just a action game being handled by the Revolution controller. And to be honest, I can't see the big difference between a lightgun and the Revolution controller.

Guess we'll have to wait for the E3 to get some new details about Red Steel or the Revolution itself.

The one thing that does stick out on the first real screenies:

The screenshots are coming from a FPS game. This may be enough hype to really get gamers interested in this new style of console FPS's.

It just sounds cool, geez. It's not like we've all put down $50 for a pre-order for the game.

Well, I mainly referred to another post, which got deleted afterwards. Talking about this game being a killer app and calling the Revolution the best console ever is overstated.

Oh yeah, I think I saw that one, it was hilarious. He said something about kids shoving the revmote up their butts and getting excited...

Supposedly around the 20th more news is going to break, whether it's more info on this game, or other third party games, is unknown.

It does sound cool, but killer app?
We'll have to wait and see about that.
All i know is that i want to play it.

A start-up company called Hillcrest Labs is releasing a remote control for consumer electronics later this year which works uses sensors and software to basicall control and function as your regular remote control, i.e. a remote control with much, much less buttons, i.e. just your hand movement telemetry data and a wheel. I saw the demo and was like, holy fuck, this is the Revolution controller, but just a different purpose. Moving stuff on screen was incredibly fluid. Control was awesome.

I can't wait to see you guys tear apart the first virtual fencing simulator or bass fishing game for the Rev, or whatever the hell the're calling it now.