So they are charging for it? That's kind of disappointing, since I remember hearing about the huge, free expansion that was coming back when I first bought the game. Not unexpected, and I'll still buy it immediately provided the island is large enough to warrant $13, but still disappointing.

While this certainly looks like the best pay DLC they've released so far, I just don't play the game enough for me to justify paying over half of what I paid for the game for this. Even if I did play more, that price is still kinda hard to stomach just because it is so freaking high (though, based on the price of the other pay DLC, I can't say I didn't see it coming).

It does add 110 (seemingly easy) achievement points, if you're into that sort of thing.

Well, I think BP may be done and over now. One thing the BSI pack added was the Diamond P12, which is unlocked by completing all 500 online challenges. Also, BSI was the last DLC pack they've advertised and/or hinted at, so there's nothing on the horizon now.

Sadly I have heard that Criterion will be sent over to work on the new NFS game, so it may be quite a while before another Burnout comes along.

With any luck by the time they do make another one they'll have decided to actually make it a racing game this time. The original directors of Criterion have left now anyway so the studio's output is likely to turn into a run of progressively worse carbon-copy sequels in the finest EA tradition.

Minus Shin's horrible trolling, I don't know how I missed the announcement about the Toy Legendaries that come with Big Surf. A cute surprise when I unlocked them, I don't know how I missed the newsbit about it.

Regardless, I'm only at 380-390 or so, and considering the ability of some of you folks for getting off barrel rolls, I don't think I could expect to see the Diamond car any time soon.

Now all they need is a price drop on Cops and Robbers. (Seriously, 10 bucks?)

Has Big Surf proved worthwhile getting?

I thought it was quite good trolling. :(

Those toy cars are different from the ones you can buy then I take it?

I'd say yes. There's a solid 6 hours of content there at least, if you're just going for single player stuff (minus the four bajillion for the Diamond P12, if you care enough to try to obtain that, although that changes depending on how many you've had done already), and it's a fun environment to goof around in. Slightly smaller than expected, but it's more densely packed with drivable stuff than Paradise City proper.

Shin: It's a combination of two "premium" car packs, so that alone helps. The toy 88 special seems uniquely capable of holding it's own as well, unlike the other toys. It's a good pack.

How many barrell rolls do you have to do to get the diamond p12?

Enough to complete all of the freeburn challenges in the game.

Probably not so much how many you can do, as much as how reliably you can pull off one through a hoop or a double on demand. A lot of the freeburn population seems to fail miserably at this.

Skills and I knocked out all of the 10 new Big Surf Island challenges. They were all painfully simple to complete. Hell, most of them were basically "meet here and then go off the nearby mega jump". We played for an hour or so and I managed to get all mega jumps, and all but two smash gates and two billboards. I'm now over 300 freeburn challenges total, so only a couple hundred more to go to get some car I can probably live without easily enough.

While easy, they were a nice change of pace from MEET AT THE AIRPORT AND GO THROUGH THE RING.

Secondly, both the Toy 88 and the Dust Storm Super Turbo could help a bunch with some of the other challenges. The Toy 88 is probably the best jumper in the game, and the dust storm does barrel rolls quite well.

I really like the design of the city, after exploring it for a while. Its color palette and overall design sense are significantly different and are really nice, and the retarded jumps they managed to build in are awesome. They definitely weren't kidding when they said they were designing the city around being full of tricks this time.

Also I ended up buying the legendary cars. Holy shit having that hovering DeLorean is amazing. It even leaves little fire trails behind you when you boost!

Since a few of us have been playing this again, just wondering anyone have the Cops and Robbers DLC, or thinking about grabbing it, because I'd be down.

Is it included in the "ultimate" rerelease? Because I was considering picking that up.

Don't think Cops and Robbers is, but I'm not sure.

The only pay content that the Ultimate Box has in it is the Party mode content.

I see you guys playing this all the time. I thought this was a piece of shit. I played it when it first came out and I thought it blew, thought that was the opinion of most of you all.

The only other person who actively hates it is Shin, man.