Someone points out you had the facts wrong, but you steadfastly stick to your guns and proclaim 'We don't care for your facts! The facts change nothing!'. You know how annoying that is, when my main reason for posting was just to make sure everyone had the correct story?

Anyway

"How is that any less backward". Well let me have a go at this. The woman knows the law and she can play by the rules. She doesn't. She knows she's breaking the law, she does it anyway. She's punished for it. Yeah, they're backward rules but 'sup Islam. Scenario 2. The woman is kidnapped and raped, she has no power or self-determination over what happens to her. She's punished for it.

Neither you nor Denicalis can see one is quite clearly worse than the other?

And you can't understand that an article written to make it seem like B happened, when it was actually A that happened, is many times more incendiary and provactive to people like you who need any excuse to get up and posture on a soapbox? It is irresponsible journalism, and the second reason I posted.

Deni, I am not at all saying we should blindly accept it, as apathetic to such things as I am, I do recognise how vile a treatment it is towards a woman. My initial statement was simply to point out the lack of all the facts in the OP's quoted article.

You must admit, there are examples of woman lacking rights in Islamic countries, that are graver and more shocking than some other examples.

Would the original poster have angered just as many people into viewing/posting if the title of this thread had been 'Woman not allowed driving licenses in Saudi Arabia'? I personally think the reaction would have been somewhat more muted.

Regardless of the amount of vitriol, I can't imagine any of you actually give two shits about the women of Saudi Arabia.

After all they're all terrorists, right

God says we should love everyone, even those of terrorist descent.

I don't feel so remorseful for the woman.

First of all, she was meeting with a dude and probably didn't tell her husband about it. She probably didn't want him to know. That's kinda messed up.
Second, that's against the law. Bitch, whine, and moan about their laws all you want, she still broke the law and she knew she was doing it.
Third, she was being blackmailed for something, as stated in the article. So she probably has a history of doing shit she knows she shouldn't be doing.
Fourth, if there had been a man with her (one that was actually looking out for her), there might have been a slim chance the whole kidnapping and rape thing might not have happened.

Legal or not, what she did would be the equivalent of me heading into the hood to buy some drugs, then getting my ass beat to near death by a gang of dirty niggers on my way back home.

You put yourself in places you shouldn't be, shit might just go wrong.

Which is exactly the problem with that religion. Like with many others, any dishonest person can pick what he wants and make it sound how he intends to with minor twisting here and there. The main difference with Islam, are that those people can defend their stances with stuff like the Taqiyya, which basically allows you to lie as long as it is for the good of Islam, and quotes like this:

"When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them know not"

When people say Islam is a religion of conquest, it is indeed reducing. But it is true that the fact it developed in a martial environment left many open holes for abusing it. And when man can abuse, he rarely abstains. ~_~

So is this whole ordeal proof that God doesn't exist?

Yes. lmao

I dunno, misogyny aside and applicable in all cases, there is a distinguishable shock difference over whipcracks caused by more arbitrary persecution laws and further abuse to someone victimized. Don't really need me to say they're both horrific, cuz, yea. In fact, I'd worry a bit more of the condition of a person that doesn't get hit in the gut a bit more at one than the other and instead seemingly equates them.

Actually, both happened.

The woman broke a law (oshi) that has an irrational punishment attached to it (oshi). However she was kidnapped and raped, and there is nothing in the article that says she was going to the hood or wearing her burqua in a sexy way to provoke such an attack. Saudi Arabia is many things, but it isn't Baghdad - being found outside of your compound isn't asking to be kidnapped.

So you have a situation where a woman was breaking a law that is difficult to enforce, and during that she was victimized in a horrific manner. In order to see her rapists brought to justice she went public with her own transgressions - a brave act. The problem is not only that the punishment is harsh for something that is minor - and difficult to enforce - but also that she was given a punishment that much more severe for talking about how crappy her judgement is.

I mean, it's all there in the article. I can only assume you're unable to read. Ask your mom and dad to read articles for you next time - that saves you precious time and effort you can then put into savings, which means you never feel anchored to a unique thought and you can feel like a free man.

It's a position which has brought you untold freedom, and opened up chance opportunities, such as being able to drop all logic and reason and go galavanting off to different forums on the internet for weeks at a time pretending to be a libertarian, a bleeding-heart hippie, a tough-but-fair misogynist fuck, or a teenage know-it-all, several times a year. You also never want for time. Your friend has moved out of his mothers' politics and suddenly he became a very boring person, since it's impossible to get him to troll anything. 'Bit retarded argument here, mate'. Well I am, and I'm fucking loving it.

Is this my 'Lurker's stern talking down to'?

I'm just saying. Being bothered by a misleading title is one (dumb) thing, but you're in a different ballpark altogether.

Here lets all read the article from a source that doesn't seem to bash Islam.

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Saudi rape victim 'having affair'

Ohh it even says in the BBC article that the guy who she was seeing outside of marriage got raped too, guess he learned his lesson eigh?

Here's a recent article that doesn't even say anyone confessed to an affair. The closest it says is that she met this guy without a chaperone, and that the ministry claims she was 'in a state of undress' but then again they are the same guys who think talking to a government-sympathetic news agency is worth an additional 110 lashes.

Also, I found no evidence so far that the rapists are getting any lashes at all. I'm just saying.

To be fair, that may be because under Saudi Arabian law, the penalty for rape is death by beheading.

That is not their penalty. In the OP they are sentenced to jail, no beheading though.

Another article with possible explanation:

bummer

According to CNN, the man was actually raped as well.

God why are you repeating this anti-Arab propaganda? :mad:

My goodness. I thought the story spoke itsself. With all the emotion flying around where are the solutions.

Some countries could get together & invade like with Afghanistan. Then all the women will live happily ever after. Sort of.
Me I am for an invasion of Christian missionaries. Missions To Islam
A different faith brings different views on justice.

Why not judaism instead? They haven't done anything barbaric, have they?

Personally I say we spread hinduism instead. Cows anyone?