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Free.User

Apr 21, 2007 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by whinehurst (Post 426733)

Now, I'm no expert, but the Canadians didn't have slaves. So, like, that whole, "Nigger" issue, I'm thinking, you know, since it's really from the American South, can it really be a big deal for a Canadian black person? Does it have the same connotations? Do English black people, like black people in Britain, get offended by the word "Nigger"? Really?

There were no black slaves in Canada (as far as I know), but there certainly was black oppression. Black people were discriminated to a level that would give "nigger" the same connotations.

Now I know it's easy for me to speak out of my cracker-white mouth, but I think black people are pushing themselves back a few years each time someone becomes (willingly or not is irrelevant) offended by the racial slur. Obviously, the world has changed, and we know that what we had done in the past was wrong. There are a few people who still think that black people were born to pick cotton, but there are also people who thing it's their duty to massacre 32 people in a University. I realize that blacks have a much darker history than whites, but every time a black person connotates "nigger" with "worthless big-lipped slave" is doing their race a disservice. They should be pushing themselves to a point where nigger is taken the same way cracker would be, not using it as an excuse to get money, press, etc etc. (Yes, I know some get genuinely offended, but this is where they need be strong and push themselves ahead).

It's kind of like gays. I have no problem with gays, but every time they have their Gay-Pride parades, It goes against the idea that they are just like you and I. If we want everyone to be equal, we can't have these minority/ethnic groups sticking themselves out like a sore thumb.

Spoiler:

Well, If you're a negro, it doesn't help that your nigger-brown.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE

Apr 21, 2007 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic 3 (Post 426674)

Unfortunely, the word cracker is never going to mean as much to white people, as the word nigger does to black people. It's not just the word it's the history blah blah blah. You all KNOW. Just as if the couch was labled as 'Every Nazi's dream!', the word Nazi would just be enough for Jewish people to get angry.

No. It wouldn't. Can we please stop all of these generalizations of an entire race's reaction to racist situations? Way to perpetuate the racial divide.

LordsSword

Apr 21, 2007 01:38 PM

I'm black and I get a chuckle out of it. I suppose they could take it the wrong way and if so they could always send it back.

Little Shithead

Apr 21, 2007 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic 3 (Post 426674)

Hmm. Do I type a furious reply and say how many people here don't seem to 'get' racism? Like how they think theres really nothing wrong with the word nigger, it's just a word, a damn word that black people been plugging for years anyway, damn coons they use it themselves? (even though the spelling is with an a) How people seem to think that every (although some do admitedly) black person who gets offended is just looking for attention and 'overreacting' just 'over a silly little word that school kids and thugs use in the playground'? How if the story was about a woman getting money over the use of the word bitch, they'd be more sympathetic? How people need to stop relying on the media and (lol) start thinking for themselves? How we can all make the world a better place, by Recycling? How only they can prevent forest fires? How to do the level select for Sonic 1?

Or, do I sit back and laugh at the description as 'nigger brown couch'? Lol!

Honestly, I'd just settle for an apology from the couch company, and that they didn't do it again. I doubt I'd try to sue over it. Seems like a dumb mistake from the chinese carpet company that they're going to rectify anyways.

Unfortunely, the word cracker is never going to mean as much to white people, as the word nigger does to black people. It's not just the word it's the history blah blah blah. You all KNOW. Just as if the couch was labled as 'Every Nazi's dream!', the word Nazi would just be enough for Jewish people to get angry.

But if I knew an asian person who was offended by the word 'paki' and he thought he could get money, and he was willing to share with me, I'd say GO FOR IT!

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Originally Posted by whinehurst (Post 426733)

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa...whoa. Hold the phone. Just noticed something here. Is this chick Canadian? Cause, the story's from Toronto. Now, I'm no expert, but the Canadians didn't have slaves. So, like, that whole, "Nigger" issue, I'm thinking, you know, since it's really from the American South, can it really be a big deal for a Canadian black person? Does it have the same connotations? Do English black people, like black people in Britain, get offended by the word "Nigger"? Really?

Also, Sonic 3, it's up-down-left-right, up-down-left-right till you hear the "ding', then you do A+C (i think it's A+C, might be all three...)

http://spcows.ae2t.net/kareha/src/1177181815549.gif

Wow, dumb people are motherfucking duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb.

You should learn how racism works and why it's such a touchy issue.

Such a Lust for Revenge!

Apr 21, 2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by whinehurst (Post 426733)

That's an interesting angle on it. I'd think they'd only be offended by it from a "that word's an insult; why the fuck are you throwing it at me?" point. Unless, of course, they want to cash in anyway like this woman is doing. Also, I really doubt the blacks here in Guatemala (there are quite a few on the Atlantic coast) would give a fuck about that word.

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Originally Posted by Sonic 3 (Post 426674)

This is like the tenth time that I know of that this topic's come up. I'm sure most people understand the horrible meaning the word carried originally and the fact that when races outside of a black one use it the word is empowered in almost the same way. Unlike when our friendly black represenatives on BET say "nigga please," which is cool.

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How people seem to think that every (although some do admitedly) black person who gets offended is just looking for attention and 'overreacting' just 'over a silly little word that school kids and thugs use in the playground'?

You know, me personally, it's not until I start hearing about these fuckers suing (or things of that nature) for "recompensation" that I get irritated. I think she had the right to be angered... How is something like that overlooked by so many people for so many years? But damn, these fuckers are fixing the mistake yet she probably just ignored that fact.

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How if the story was about a woman getting money over the use of the word bitch, they'd be more sympathetic?

Have their actually been cases like that?

I just wish other races in the world had words with that sort of meaning you could use to insult them. Far worse shit has happened to people around the world than African slavery, yet they never seem to be able to cash in because they don't have a word for themselves as powerful as "nigger."

whinehurst

Apr 21, 2007 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Merv

Wow, dumb people are motherfucking duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb.

You should learn how racism works and why it's such a touchy issue.

well, Merv, instead of being useless and just calling me and Sonic 3 dumb (fyi, you spelled it wrong, you've got 76 extra U's and a space in there for some reason), you might make a simple statement to exhibit what we might be misunderstanding about the issue of racism in America... and Canada; something to help explain why we might be incorrect in some fashion. You know, like a fucking point. Not to start flaming, but hey, why not join the discussion?

Now, I get how racism works and that, in this country (being America) I (being white) am not allowed to call a black person "Nigger" because it's hugely offensive, due to the vast history of oppression. That's what I understand, and that's what I agree too. I also understand that black oppression didn't actually happen world wide, which is why I brought up the UK, which is why I asked the question are black people in foreign countries as offended by the word as black people in America are?

Such a Lust for Revenge!

Apr 21, 2007 10:28 PM

You don't have to explain yourself, this is Merv Burger we're talking about here. The sort of character that throws that random cuntpunch (thanks Elixir) to start a riot before running away, leaving the mess he left for someone else to handle. You should see this guys picture; a real master with racial issues.

I poked it and it made a sad sound

Apr 21, 2007 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zio (Post 426749)

Yes, that is true but why not sue? Why not do so much and not only waste money but pump the economy? She sues, she wins, her lawyer gets paid and then the company has to raise prices cause they lost the lawsuit!

It's a win win. LOL.

I am pretty sure you're joking? I hope? Because wasting court time on a frivilous lawsuit is kind of not good.

I hate this crap. It's just another way for people to get their panties in a bunch and flip out over nothing. I love the picture though. "O DESPAIR. I bought a nigger brown couch." Pain in her cross eyes and all.

I am also going to ignore Sonic's little tirade, too. "Why don't people get racism?!"

No one is dying over being called a nigger. What happened generations ago by completely different people in a completely different time should end there and then. Enough with the slavery card. It's over. It's BEEN over. The South lost. The end.

Cirno

Apr 21, 2007 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by whinehurst (Post 426889)

Now, I get how racism works and that, in this country (being America) I (being white) am not allowed to call a black person "Nigger" because it's hugely offensive, due to the vast history of oppression. That's what I understand, and that's what I agree too. I also understand that black oppression didn't actually happen world wide, which is why I brought up the UK, which is why I asked the question are black people in foreign countries as offended by the word as black people in America are?

Underaged b&.

whinehurst

Apr 22, 2007 01:14 AM

Whew, Goddamn, my question isn't about racism in other countries, it's about the word Nigger (in other countries), which was kinda the damn topic (and Devo, I'm gonna assume you meant South Africa, and not the entire continent).

I guess nobody really knows, cause all this grief seems to be about shit i'm not even talking about.

Midna

Apr 22, 2007 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 427016)

No one is dying over being called a nigger. What happened generations ago by completely different people in a completely different time should end there and then. Enough with the slavery card. It's over. It's BEEN over. The South lost. The end.

But it's not the end, Sass. No, black people are not slaves now, but racism is alive and well, and you are either kidding yourself or blind if you don't see it.

Why are you so hell bent on making use of the word nigger okay?

Shaolin Samurai

Apr 22, 2007 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Midna (Post 427082)

Why are you so hell bent on making use of the word nigger okay?

It is okay, or have you not ever heard any mainstream, popular rap music? Oh wait, I forgot there's a double fucking standard.

Racism is alive and well indeed, but the media only seems to pay attention when it involves the word "nigger" or blacks. Meanwhile, we have a Hot Pockets ad campaign with featuring an "old Asian man" caricature and nobody bats an eye. Casual, perhaps subconscious racism against other minority groups and even whites persists, but once there's anything that even remotely involves blacks, the media and Al Sharpton are all over it like lawyers chasing after an ambulance.

Lacerta

Apr 22, 2007 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by whinehurst (Post 427075)

I guess nobody really knows, cause all this grief seems to be about shit i'm not even talking about.

There are those that will care and others who don't give fuck. Neither one represents the opinion of the whole, but the ones that stand out the most are the ones that are the most vocal.

Leknaat

Apr 22, 2007 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by whinehurst (Post 426733)

The woman was born in NEW YORK. See the problem?

Midna

Apr 22, 2007 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaolin Samurai (Post 427089)

I completely agree with your point. My issue was mainly with Sass specifically, due to her never-ending quest to make the word nigger an acceptable term to throw around.

Lolman

Apr 22, 2007 03:48 AM

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=nigger

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Originally Posted by Online Etymology Dictionary

Nigger

1786, earlier neger (1568, Scot. and northern England dialect), from Fr. nègre, from Sp. negro (see Negro). From the earliest usage it was "the term that carries with it all the obloquy and contempt and rejection which whites have inflicted on blacks" [cited in Gowers, 1965]. But as black inferiority was at one time a near universal assumption in Eng.-speaking lands, the word in some cases could be used without insult. More sympathetic writers late 18c. and early 19c. seem to have used black (n.) and, after the American Civil War, colored person. Also applied by Eng. settlers to dark-skinned native peoples in India, Australia, Polynesia. The reclamation of the word as a neutral or positive term in black culture, often with a suggestion of "soul" or "style," is attested first in the Amer. South, later (1968) in the Northern, urban-based Black Power movement. Variant niggah, attested from 1925 (without the -h, from 1969), is found usually in situations where blacks use the word. Nigra (1944), on the other hand, reflects a pronunciation in certain circles of Negro, but meant to suggest nigger, and is thus deemed (according to a 1960 slang dictionary) "even more derog. than 'nigger.' " Slang phrase nigger in the woodpile attested by 1800; "A mode of accounting for the disappearance of fuel; an unsolved mystery" [R.H. Thornton, "American Glossary," 1912]. Nigger heaven, "the top gallery in a (segregated) theater" first attested 1878 in ref. to Troy, N.Y.

" 'You're a fool nigger, and the worst day's work Pa ever did was to buy you,' said Scarlett slowly. ... There, she thought, I've said 'nigger' and Mother wouldn't like that at all." [Margaret Mitchell, "Gone With the Wind," 1936]

Used in combinations (e.g. nigger-brown, nigger-head, nigger-toe) since 1840s for various dark brown or black hues or objects; euphemistic substitutions (e.g. Zulu) began to appear in these senses c.1917.

Hmm... Looks like their Chinese-Engrish dictionary is really out of date, but it's not just a random piece if Engrish.

Such a Lust for Revenge!

Apr 22, 2007 08:32 AM

Midna, I don't think Sass wants to make the word acceptable. Just less of a shocker.

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Originally Posted by Shaolin Samurai (Post 427089)

Meanwhile, we have a Hot Pockets ad campaign with featuring an "old Asian man" caricature and nobody bats an eye. Casual, perhaps subconscious racism against other minority groups and even whites persists, but once there's anything that even remotely involves blacks, the media and Al Sharpton are all over it like lawyers chasing after an ambulance.

I guess most other races don't have the abundance of characters that are willing to make a media circus out of things like this. I like to think most people realize that you can't change the world by force and realize that human beings are inherently fucked up like this and things like this will never stop or change. Knowing that gives me a great peace because I realize that things are how they are and there's not really much we can do.

Devo's right, though I don't think the word has the same power anywhere else as in the states. Probably because of the freedom of expression. Though it really doesn't seem like the word was a big deal until after the Civil Rights movement.

whinehurst

Apr 22, 2007 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Devoxycontin

Practically the entire continent (several different colonies and countries) has been fucked by the likes of the English, Belgians, Dutch, French, etc. To even imply that the "oppression of blacks" by the word nigger was kept to just the North American continent and used by Americans only is incredibly stupid.

Granted, I have never spent any time studying the history of Africa or it's colonization in the late eighteenth century, thought I was aware that English, French, Portuguese, Spanish, German, Belgian, and Italian colonies existed. Now, I know how bad it sucks to be a colony, I'm an American. But that's another issue, not really based in racism.

Now, not having a degree in African-American studies, or the general nature of Racism at large, I'm going to have to defer to the end-all of knowledge: Wikipedia. I went ahead and typed the word "Nigger" in there and found out some interesting facts that negate your arguments and even answer the questions I was asking.

As it turns out, back in the day, like way back in that late eighteenth century days when those colonies existed, the variations of "nigger" that were used weren't actually considered derogatory. "Nigger", and it's variations, were only used as an identifier, similar to the way we use "black" today. It wasn't until the 1960's, in the American North (as it turns out) that "nigger" became offensive, and it was during the ensuing race war that it gathered all the negativity it now holds today. Listen carefully now, Devo:

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In the United States, the word was freely used by some whites and blacks, until the Civil Rights Era of the 1960s. It seems that the word acquired a pejorative meaning in the Northern United States before acquiring the same connotation in the South.

The only usage outside the United States that I found was that in a little place called Australia, and its neighbor New Zealand (where's Old Zealand, btw?) where "nigger" is used in casual conversation between good friends, both black and white, though it's considered impolite to use it to refer to a stranger

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Australians, black or white, do not on the whole have the same sensitivity to the word as Americans, at least when it is used in a lighthearted, non-derogatory fashion among established groups of friends.

So it would seem that, though America doesn't hold a monopoly on oppressing people, it mostly does on the word "nigger" (though it's origins, of course, are foreign). And, as Leknaat pointed out, the woman in question is from New York, which makes all of this irrelevant.

Sarag

Apr 22, 2007 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by whinehurst (Post 427320)

Now, I know how bad it sucks to be a colony, I'm an American.

Um, modern-day American life is a little different than modern-day African life.

whinehurst

Apr 22, 2007 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by a lurker

Um, modern-day American life is a little different than modern-day African life.

I was just making the point that America used to be a colony too, and we hold no aggravation towards the British now-a-days, so i was basically saying Devo's point that the entire continent of Africa was oppressed in the late eighteenth century was not much of a point at all.

True, they were colonized a while after America was, but the idea of colonization is still the same, be it 16th or 18th century.

Plus, in my understanding, a lot of modern-day African life (i'm assuming you mean the absolute horror that it is) is mainly due to Africans.

I'm not wrong in thinking Africa isn't a colony anymore, right?

whinehurst

Apr 22, 2007 03:48 PM

All right, Devo, until you actually provide some evidence to support that claim, I'm going to have to go ahead and say you're wrong. Did you even read the post where i pointed out where you are wrong on that? Let me say it again, since you have some sort of reading disorder. "Nigger" didn't become offensive until the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960's in the NORTHERN UNITED STATES. Until then it was used as an IDENTIFIER, like we used the word Black today. This whole fucking argument is over the WORD. Not oppression. There's plenty of oppressed people that have shit to do with the word "nigger".

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