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Lord Styphon Aug 17, 2006 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Acro-nym
What does a planet being bright and gold have to do with it being called Venus. Is it a correlation with beauty?
Considering the other names it has been given by other peoples, and how many of them relate to beauty, it's a reasonable conclusion.

Also, it's Cupid who is the symbol of Valentine's Day, not Venus. Venus was actually an important goddess; besides being one of the 12 Olympians in Greek tradition, the Aeneid makes her as the ancestor of the Roman people. Which says something of the political situation, as Venus was also the ancestor of gens Julia.

Acro-nym Aug 17, 2006 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Styphon
Considering the other names it has been given by other peoples, and how many of them relate to beauty, it's a reasonable conclusion.

Also, it's Cupid who is the symbol of Valentine's Day, not Venus. Venus was actually a goddess of some importance; Julius Caesar's clan claimed descent from Venus, for instance.
I know Cupid is generally considered the symbol of Valentine's Day. Maybe it's just me, I relate her to the day as well since she's the goddess of love and beauty.

Many Romans claimed to descend from Venus, not just Caesar. It was attributed to descendants of Aeneas.

Erisu Kimu Aug 19, 2006 12:40 PM
Pluto is nevertheless popular, so I wouldn't want it to be disregarded either. It's also one of those mysterious planets that I have tried to research through books countless times. I'm really interested in that planet.

I wonder how many more planets are out there the size of Neptune. Warp speed ahead!

ArrowHead Aug 19, 2006 07:18 PM
Pluto is definitely not going to lose its planetary status. It's moon Charon is even going to gain planetary status.

agreatguy6 Aug 19, 2006 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dopefish
Mercury
Venus
Earth
Mars
Ceres
Jupiter
Saturn
Uranus
Neptune
Pluto
Charon
Xena, Warrior Princess.

Whoever can come up with the cleverest mnemonic for that wins a trophy.

(Note: Ceres, Charon and Xena are the three the International Astronomical Union want to add now. They may add yet more by the time all is said and done.)
My
Very
Esoteric
Mother
Can
Jump &
Skip
Until
Night
Pretends to
Calm
Xtraneously.

No sense whatsoever, but I can't come up with anything that starts with X.

Acro-nym Aug 19, 2006 10:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by agreatguy6
My
Very
Esoteric
Mother
Can
Jump &
Skip
Until
Night
Pretends to
Calm
Xtraneously.

No sense whatsoever, but I can't come up with anything that starts with X.
I'd change it to:
Nifty
Pianists
Collect
Xylophones

kat Aug 20, 2006 01:49 PM
It's sort of ridiculous that they teach this stuff as cold hard fact to kids when the smartest solar system guys in the world are on the fence about this kind of thing. But I guess education is evolutionary as long as humans continue to be dumbasses.

I'm going to miss Pluto though.

agreatguy6 Aug 20, 2006 05:46 PM
How bout
Neurotic
Pianists
Crack
Xylophones???

guyinrubbersuit Aug 20, 2006 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kat
I'm going to miss Pluto though.

Why? Where's Pluto going?


This whole keeping Pluto a planet and adding many more is just making the issue extremely confusing. They should make a more proper categorization of planets. Maybe small planets half the size of earth are to be called dwarf planets or something. I don't know. Science can come up with some pretty uninteresting names.

Aoie_Emesai Aug 20, 2006 08:21 PM
No, no, no it was.

-My
-Very
-Enormus
-Mother
-Just
-Sat
-Upon
-Nine
-Pizza

------

About the Pluto being classifyed off as a planet, we might as well say The Rockies isn't a mountain range and it's a big rock. The scientists can classify Pluto how they want, but until it's stuffed in the textbooks and everyone of this generation (????-2006) dies off, it won't do them any good, bu tonly for specific scientific discussion, like in Astronomy of something of that nature. It will still be pluto until we totally forget it.

Interrobang Aug 20, 2006 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by King-X
Wanting to downgrade Pluto but in the meantime upgrade (what is now) 3 smaller worlds into planets just doesn't make any logic to me...
They're two differing lines of thought. Under the current system, Pluto as a planet is questionable. To solve this, the definition of "planet" has to include three other things.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Majin yami
But wait, isn't Charon a moon?
Kinda. Charon orbits a point outside Pluto, and Pluto orbits around that same point, like how binary stars behave.

guyinrubbersuit Aug 21, 2006 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Aoie_Emesai
About the Pluto being classifyed off as a planet, we might as well say The Rockies isn't a mountain range and it's a big rock. The scientists can classify Pluto how they want, but until it's stuffed in the textbooks and everyone of this generation (????-2006) dies off, it won't do them any good, bu tonly for specific scientific discussion, like in Astronomy of something of that nature. It will still be pluto until we totally forget it.

That's fucking bullshit logic right there. Just because of what's been drilled into our heads in school we should retain and never get new information or discover new things? By that logic evolution would never come around because it was taught that God made everything as everyone would have to die who believed that in order to accept it.

There is such a thing as textbook revision and it will become revised in the newest edition if such a school elects to purchase it if they have the funds.

You can learn a lot from you own and not from school textbooks, which are often biased and only cover part of the picture.

Acro-nym Aug 21, 2006 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by guyinrubbersuit
You can learn a lot from you own and not from school textbooks, which are often biased and only cover part of the picture.
I'm really hoping you just mean science books. And even those you can learn from, possibly later using them as a springboard to finding new ideas or disproving old one.

Star Man Aevum Aug 22, 2006 12:25 PM
They're going to have to change it eight or 12, no matter what. This proposal is going to have a drastic effect on our understanding and will outdate textbooks. Get ready for the change, because the IAU is going to come to a decision whether you all like it or not.

Hell, ever browse through the astronomy books at an elementary school? There are kids reading things that were printed before the first landing on the moon.

Xexxhoshi Aug 22, 2006 07:43 PM
I will still never forgive them for naming a planet after Xena.

Lord Styphon Aug 22, 2006 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by XSO
I will still never forgive them for naming a planet after Xena.
Except they didn't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Brown
About the name: The real name of the new planet is currently in limbo while committees decide its fate. For those speculating that the name will be "Lila" based on the web site name I must warn you that that is really just a sentimental dad's early-morning-after-no-sleep naming of a web site for his (at the time) three week old daughter and one should not take it too seriously! In fact, the sentimental dad was so tired he even spelled his own daughter's name wrong (it is "Lilah"). The name "Xena" is frequently heard associated with this planet; this name comes from an internal cod name that we used before we publically announced the existence of the planet. Other code names have been "Santa" (2003 EL61), "Rudolph" (the moon of 2003 EL61), "Easterbunny" (2005 FY9) and "Flying Dutchman" (Sedna), and "Gabrielle" (the moon of 2003 UB313). We use these names internally simply because they are easier to say and remember than things like 2003 EL61 or S/2005 (2003 UB313) 1 . There is no chance whatsoever that these will become the permanent names of these objects! As soon as the committees make their decisions these objects will get real names. When we first announced the existence of these objects we thought that the real names would be decided in days to weeks, not months to years so it never occured to us that these code names would last more than a few days. We hope the committees decide soon so people can start getting used to the real more dignified names soon!

takeru Aug 24, 2006 02:24 AM
All my school lessons to the rubbish. Maybe one day we discover the Sun isn't really a star.

Star Man Aevum Aug 24, 2006 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by takeru
All my school lessons to the rubbish. Maybe one day we discover the Sun isn't really a star.
Oh fucking get over it. Science textbooks and information for other studies gets updated all the time. Just because the number of the planets is going to change when more than likely (blatant, asshattish assumption, yes) only would ever care about if asked in a quiz or game show, doesn't make your whole world crumble to pieces.

Put Balls Aug 24, 2006 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Majin yami
Quote:
Originally Posted by Star Man Aevum
The big debate has come up because Voyager spotted a big rock that was larger than Pluto. There are also seven moons that are larger than Pluto--Ganamyde, Titan, Callisto, our moon, Io, Europa, and Triton--and those first two are even bigger than Mercury.Of course they can't be titled as planets though.
Of course they can be. It's just a matter of defining what the word planet means. I wouldn't mind, for example, anything the size of, say, bigger than Pluto in our solar system to be given the title of planet. They all orbit the sun (some also circle around other planets but that's not a point here). This would bring at least 50 new planets into the system, so it wouldn't be the best possible alternative, in the end.

I'm all for a few extra planets, this new 12-planets-so-far definition seems all right to me.

Acro-nym Aug 24, 2006 07:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kishin
Of course they can be. It's just a matter of defining what the word planet means. I wouldn't mind, for example, anything the size of, say, bigger than Pluto in our solar system to be given the title of planet. They all orbit the sun (some also circle around other planets but that's not a point here). This would bring at least 50 new planets into the system, so it wouldn't be the best possible alternative, in the end.
I wouldn't say that moons orbit the Sun. They orbit planets, which in turn orbit the Sun. And I'd put the classification that anything orbiting a planet can't be a planet. It'd be different if it were a dual orbit, like if both planets orbit around each other.

JazzFlight Aug 24, 2006 09:25 AM
http://space.com/scienceastronomy/06...efinition.html

Well, it's official. 8 planets in our solar system. Pluto's out.

That sucks.

Musharraf Aug 24, 2006 09:36 AM
Pluto fails

I think this is pretty much fucking ridiculous, those faggots are overthrowing an untouchable tradition. Millions of books must be renewed. Super decision.

Sir VG Aug 24, 2006 09:44 AM
What's gonna happen to our old memory tools now?

My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine Peanuts
and the variation for select times:
My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Pastachio Nuts

All down the drain now. ;_;

JazzFlight Aug 24, 2006 09:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir VG
What's gonna happen to our old memory tools now?

My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine Peanuts
and the variation for select times:
My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Pastachio Nuts

All down the drain now. ;_;
Hmm...

My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine
...nine what? WE'LL NEVER KNOW!

My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nuts
Yum. I guess this still works, even though it's weird.


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