Yes, the camera angles were indeed irritating at times. I remember being stuck in a dungeon for a few hours because I didn't see the ledge I was supposed to jump on until much later.

Chrono Cross got absolutely wonderful reviews on every game review resource.

I hated it. The battle system was confusing and the entire lack of leveling up and star system was unappealing.

I was a MAJOR Chrono Trigger fan, and Chrono Cross was just an overall disappointment. The colors and overall feel of the game made me sick. Though I LOVE Time's Scar.

Xenosaga was horrible. I have Xenogears, but am reluctant to start it because I'm really not into all of the mech stuff. I just know Xenosaga, I tried getting into it.. 10 hours I put into it, and it never got exciting or even borderline interesting. It lacked music to entertain you while you walked through generic rooms in the ships and it was just so bland it was painful to play.

The only one that really comes to mind is Metroid Prime. I can't say I hate it, but god knows it has the shittiest controls I've ever seen for such a polished finished product. I was also disappointed with the lack of some kind of story-- even if it was one brought about with dream sequences or flashbacks, anything to escape the godawful tedium of running back and forth and killing the same enemies over and over.

What I would have liked to see was some kind of interaction with the ship's computers. Maybe a section or two where Samus has to go back and upload some corrupted data she got from various computers, which then lends insight into the Chozo people, their past, or the present problem that Samus faces.

Gran Turismo I can honestly say I hate, but I know exactly why, because it's such a technical mess of a game. Sim driving is not and will never be fun. You can give me any bullshit story you want, but the concept of racing, realistically, in a video game, is dull. Arcade racers are obviously a different story. It's like pitting a documentary about paint drying against Back to the Future.

Street Fighter III is no friend of mine. The changes made from Alpha 3 were almost all for the worse, but the absolute worst feature about this game is the infuriating blocking system. It causes a lot of standoffs, sniping, and turtling, encouraging players who never really take risks.

I don't understand why people diss on Metroid Prime's controls all the time, and yet you hear very little about Resident Evil 4's controls, even though they are the exact same thing, except that in MP you have to learn one extra button to auto-target (whoop dee doo).

Even though I found MP's controls to be intuitive actually, I DO understand how someone could hate them, but I just can never understand why controls are brought up a lot more on MP, even though it sold less copies than RE4, and is a less popular game overall, when they are practically the same damn thing.

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I think the problem is still how (not necessarily in Skexis' case, but in general anyway) people treat Metroid Prime as an FPS because of the viewpoint, even though the controls are built for exploration. For me they work perfectly. Sometimes the auto-aim isn't the smartest around in a tight spot with multiple fast moving enemies, but you learn to adjust and the combat is far more satisfying than 90% of console shooters.

As for story, I'm not exactly sure how much you bothered to scan, but there was an amazing amount of backstory and depth to the events that occurred on Tallon IV, and I think the scan system revealed these events to you very subtly, allowing impatient players to skip them entirely.


I can't for the life of me get into GTA San Andreas. It's not even the gangsta environment that bothers me because Rockstar presents it all with wit and skill, the dialogue being most entertaining. It's really the muddle of controls and gameplay that drives me off. Everything feels so halfassed. You can finally climb fences and ledges, which is a welcome change, but the system is so inconsistent, you can't even climb a small shed near your house and there is nothing to indicate why. You apparently have a huge amount of wardobe and hairstyles to use, but only like two of them don't look completely awful.

The driving mechanics were fun in GTA3, but here the driving skills stats make sure you won't get any enjoyment from driving for the first twenty hours it takes to raise up the meter because when doing a 90 degree turn the camera refuses to follow and you're stuck driving blindly for a good 5 seconds which in a tight spot is pretty fatal.

The new targeting system seemed good originally, because I liked it in Manhunt, but in practise it's just as awful as before. You stop at a bridge and there's suddenly a gang member shooting at you outta nowhere. You try to lock on to him, but the targeting system picks up every single civilian around him instead and then you're already dead.
Drive by shootings are still as useless as they were in GTA3, since you can still only shoot directly to the side, leading to embarrassing passing bys where you slowly backup shooting till you finally hit your target.

I guess the game really picks up past the 25 hours mark or so when so much new stuff opens up to you, you no longer mind the broken controls, but if the 25 hours before that aren't enjoyable, I don't really want to play at all and would rather play a "short" 20 hour game that's enjoyable from the start.

Any game that turns something as simple as looking into a button process is not user-friendly. And yes, it has auto targeting, but that's small comfort when you're trying to do platform jumping and shoot at the same time.

And yes, I scanned everything I saw. The vast majority of it was unimportant. The few things I remember being interested in were on the Space Station in the very first level. It epitomized the kind of mysterious environment that I would have liked to see in the rest of the game, and the dead soldiers and aliens lying strewn around did give some insight into what was going on, but as for story? No. It was all atmosphere, no substance.

For the record, I hated RE4's controls also. I didn't play it enough to be able to mention the game here.

Actually, I love A Link to the Past, but I could not get into Ocarina of Time. Majora's mask was a bit better, until I got stuck.

I just want to note that I wasn't blaming you for the same hypocrisy that is shown by others. Your post simply reminded me of a major issue for me.

- WraithTwo -

METROID PRIME: HUNTERS

I said it. It took forever for it's release since the demo was launched with the phat DS, and I still wasn't impressed. The DS simply cannot handle 3D games very well. I still gave it a shot but I just can't enjoy it, even though the controls for aiming are probably better than an xbox or PS2 controller.

People don't seem to understand that in first person shooters, YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR MOTHERFUCKING FEET. Whoever invented the jumping games where you need to climb up some half broken spiral staircase in Metroid Hunters needs to be shot, and shot again.

I'm not even going to bother with wifi for this game, but once I eventually do get it, all the time will be spent on something I can actually improve on. Like Tetris.

Panzer Dragoon Orta (and Panzer Dragoon 1)

Reviews everywhere praised this game but I really don't think it's that great, OK that best, it just proves my point that Sega Saturn is just mystique with no content what so ever.
It's laughable too that IGN (not sure but probably others too) review said that the scenarios are breathtaking.... WTF? The 2nd level is really good looking but asides that one most other levels just look like wastelands :-S

I hate Halo. Any previous and future iteration. Played the first one and instantly thought "Hey I've done this before. Next." Revolutionary FPS gameplay my friggin ass. Whatever, next.

I actually didn't like Metal Gear Solid 3 that much either. Its pace felt that much more sluggish than the previous games, although I am looking forward to MGS4. Although I really enjoyed MGS2. Thinkin' about replaying it, as a matter of fact.

Not a big fan of any of the Devil May Cry games either, but especially not 3. Since when are demon slayers trendy, Abercrombie & Fitch models? And what's with that stupid surfer attitude of his? Dante is way too obsessed with himself in DMC3, and I hated every minute of listening to his voice. I hope he impales himself on a blunt stick. Kratos could slaughter Dante, too.

I have never, ever been a fan of either Castlevania or Metroid. Megaman all the way, save for MM Zero or Battle Network, but not those former two. Castlevania is so damn boring and full of backtracking that I get sick of the game before I even get halfway through. The 3D games completely suck as well. The same thing can be said about Metroid -- the two series have their differences, sure, but their core gameplay is similar enough. Backtrack, get the new weapon, backtrack to get the item you need, kill something and get a new weapon/item, then backtrack some more. Fuuuuuuuuuck this.

Last but never, ever least are the Smash Bros. games. Goddamn I hate those games. I have never been so frustrated as an adult playing a video game as I get with SSBM. If I wanted to play "Hey, I can beat this guy because I've got skills at this ga...nope, I lose cuz he got the hammer" then I'd go play...no fuck that, I wouldn't play it because it's retarded. Thank you Nintendo for showing us that dumbshit methods of victory will denounce any and all acquired skill in a heartbeat. I'm fully aware that you can turn items off in the game, but then it becomes a mindless brawler, the likes of which have been done much, much better by other games. No thanks, SSBM.

I can ALMOST agree on the Metrovania games...For all of their praise, I lose interest in them too quickly because they lack the hardcore qualities of the older Castlevania games. SOTN was kinda fun, COTM has its' moments, the next three kind of blend together in my mind and I don't feel compelled to finish any of them. Yeah, the backtracking is a bitch, but now when I see something out of reach, I just think "Gee, if i play long enough, I'll find an item or something to let me get it...Yawn". I really wish they would at least divide the series between Igarashi and someone who actually liked the old-school Castlevanias (Igarashi hated them from what I've read). The 3D ones though are pretty much junk, but most reviews aren't too kind to them anyway, so they wouldn't qualify for this thread.

World of Warcraft was just something I hate. I tried it at my friend's house and maybe is was my hate for P2P games(I play Guild Wars and a MUD regularly), but it just seemed like same old, same old, just more steamlined. I remember a few years ago when AO went free, and I tried that, and I enjoyed it, but after awhile it became the same thing over and over.

Halo, I would say why, but I am sure many other people beat me to it.

Castlevania...I just hate it...no comment...

Anything Final Fantasy aside from Tactics. Any RPG that does not bring something new to the table.

etc. etc.

People rave about the Disgaea games and all the recent Atlus strategy RPGs and I just plain don't like them. I got Disgaea...it was amusing for awhile, but got boring and stupid for me. Got Phantom Brave and it was worse than Disgaea. Don't wanna get any hate, but I just didn't like these.

I despise first-person shooters. Whenever I hear someone screaming about the next "revolutionary FPS!1!," I cringe. IT'S THE EXACT SAME SHIT YOU'VE SEEN 10+ YEARS AGO IN DOOM,BUT WITH SHINIER GRAPHICS. The only games that did feature first-person perspective,but nontheless remained enjoyable,are Medal of Honor (the original for PSOne) and Metroid Prime,which is not even a "shooter" in the first place,but whatever.
And do not get me started on motherfucking Counterstrike... When internet cafes became all the rage where I used to live,this piece of shit devoured the brains of every single dumbass in the vicinity,turning them into a mindless zombie horde. If you talked to anyone about videogames,the first thing you'd hear would be "omg liek counterstrike is teh awesum lolol!1" Yes,it was that bad.

This is also one of the reasons I hate Diablo and the immense swarm of dumbass hack'n'slash clones it has successfully spawned. The other reason is that it's,well,fucking retarded. Whenever I see people discussing how much fun it is to run around in a bleak,so-generic-it's-nausea-inducing fantasy setting mouse-clicking monsters to death,I feel very homicidal. Also,the fact that Diablo and its clones single-handedly wrecked the virtually nonexistant genre of (good) PCRPGs is one of the single biggest crimes against humanity.

Zelda games. I don't hate them per se,but it just shocks me to see how immensely overrated they are. I honestly tried to get into the series,but it just couldn't hold my attention for more than 10 minutes (*cough*LinktothePast*cough*). I dunno,maybe I'm just a Sega whore,spoiled by Beyond Oasis and Landstalker,but trekking through the overworld blowing up/setting on fire/playing the Ocarina to every single object in the vicinity for the sole purpose of possibly discovering some inane secret is not exactly my idea of fun. -_- I do intend to give the series one more chance,though... I sincerely hope Windwaker will be able to change my opinion.

FF series. Especially FFVII. It's not that I hate the series itself,no;I played a couple of games in the series and actually enjoyed them,but jesus christ,the amount of fanboys the games have is absolutely ludicrous. O_o No game in the world is more overhyped than FFVII.

Mario spinoffs. The Big N is whoring out our fat plumber like no tomorrow. Mario Kart,Mario Soccer,Mario Party,Mario Golf,Mario Pinball... Mario Tennis!? Mario DDR? Are you fucking shitting me? What's next? Mario Accountancy? (c)

Soul Calibur series (oh boy,I'll get ravaged for this one). As far as fighting games go,there are two sides of the spectrum. On one end,you have Soul Calibur and,partially,Tekken. Very easy to pick up,very accessible to just about everyone. Why wouldn't it be,when absolutely any combination of buttons corresponds to a move,and combo potential is thus limitless. Just mash them buttons,and wowza - it's suddenly a clip from a Jackie Chan movie! And on the other end of the spectrum,you have hardcore stuff like Virtua Fighter 4,so-called real-time chess,where it takes at least a month to simply learn how to play properly. That's the game where a button-masher has no chance whatsover in a match against the AI,let alone an experienced experienced player,as opposed to Namco's fighters.
And,of course,all hail Eddie Gordo,the cheapest motherfucking character to ever grace the screen.

Wow,I actually feel much better now. ^_^ This thread rocks. Keep up the blasphemy,people!

I gave everyone who said Gran Turismo was shit a 5/5 rating because they're correct. No room for opinions here, the fact is Gran Turismo is appalling.

Gran Turismo's one of the finest novelty arcade racers ever made, though! Nothing more amusing than never needing to use the brakes because speeding into the sides of other cars or walls will just bounce you right back on track with virtually no loss of speed.

Gran Turismo 5 just needs lots of shortcuts and jumps and it'll be the next Cruis'n USA (I was gonna say Rush, but you explode if you hit walls in that game). :dopey_love:

This post is made of win. At least Warcraft 3 had some originality, and thus I play it still...or maybe it's because all the retards left it for WoW. Please, no Starcraft 2; the masses will ruin that as well. I ditched WoW for Maple Story. :D

Halo: I dislike it because of the control center controller it uses just after the hype factor that it has: It's nothing new, really.

FF (Sony Fanboy era): I'm talking about those who played 7, 10, etc. before (or just those, period) the first ones. Tactics is the only exception.

GTA: To say I'm not mature enough to play is wrong. Maybe I'm not IMMATURE enough to play. It's a game worth renting or just playing at a friend's house...running around being silly for a bit. Then you sit down and say "Well, that was interesting." Every repeat sequel is no exception.

I'm sure it's just early for me and I'm forgetting a few...but I'll try to save the FPSes (Half Life) by stating that the gravity gun alone completely changes the game (physics!).

Resident Evil: I’ve only played 2 and don’t intend to play any more of the series. Now I like some games in the survival horror genre Silent Hill, Fatal Frame, etc. so you would think I like the game that started it all but no horrible controls, the boo moment were not scary, bad cheesy poorly translated lines.

The GTA series: Rented one (mainly to see what about the game is so horrible that every politicians suddenly wants to rewrite the first amendment because of it) of the games in the series didn’t remember which and I found myself incredible bored with it. As if I didn’t hate Rock star enough due to the massive wave of wasted time and money the hot coffee incident is causing the game isn’t even fun. All I saw was hype and controversy.

The Sims: Don’t get what the big deal is, it is fun for a few minutes but after that I’d rather go mange my own life then that of little computer figures.

There's an element of chance with the items, and some of them are broken, but not all of them. A lot of the game is learning how to avoid getting backed into a corner because the other person has a temporary advantage.

What's good about the game is that you can also choose how it's going to work. If you feel like stock is too harrowing, time can be a better way of scoring.

Picking a character that you're willing to learn the whole movelist for is kind of a prerequisite of any fighting game, but just because nintendo's simplified the process doesn't make it mindless.

I agree. Items add a sense of randomness, but that's why you can turn them off or choose which ones to allow, which doesn't turn the game into a mindless brawler at all. A novice has virtually no chance against an expert in this game, the same for any competent fighting game. It doesn't involve the memorization of complex preset combos like in some other fighters, but there's still enough depth in the area of reflex and timing to make SSB one of those games that is easy to learn but difficult to master. Plus the whole setup of SSB with building up damage and knocking enemies off of the platform makes it unique. So the entire package of ground combat, air combat, and trying to make it back to the platform makes for a fairly satisfying and enjoyable experience, whether you're playing it competitively or not. It's not a mindless button masher/party game unless you want it to be. At the tournament play level, there's a tier list for characters and everything, the same as for any other fighter that is played at that level.

Final Fantasy IV. :(:(
I tried so hard to like this game, especially since it's nearly universally loved (on GFF as well, so far as I know... well, among those that like Final Fantasy; this thread alone contains obvious proponents of the opposite). I love all the other Final Fantasys, but everything in IV just seemed so... rushed and superficial. Although I'm pretty certain that if I had any nostalgia for this title I would probably feel a little different.

Don't feel bad. You're not the first to have found FFIV a bit shallow. Even though I surely like the game more than you do, I'm not terribly fond of the obvious "let's commit suicide" drama either.

You reserve your right to defend, as do you Megavolt, but I still disagree. Hence why I posted in this thread. I didn't post in here to have all of its finer points argued back to me though. We can agree to disagree, but I still hated the ever-living fuck out of this game.

Halo 1+2, Half Life 1+2 and Far Cry series, in fact, the majority of all FPS games...it might have something to do with my skill in them...but I can't be bothered to improve my skills in them...they're all the same and, for me, lack any great storylines that I can lose myself in...it's just shoot this, and shoot this some more and it's very repetitive and boring...
Grand Theft Auto series...sure it's fun going on a killing spree and getting a tank but other than that, I just can't bring myself to be interested in the storyline, the missions...an exceeding overrated game series...
Dragon Quest VIII, I'm only part way through and I shall finish it but, it's nothing out of the ordinary and the Hero's silence is annoying, but not half as bad as Yangus' Cockney accent...the music's boring too...

I'm sure there are more...

EDIT: How could I forget Resident Evil...the best thing about it is the voice acting...I find it very boring...