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Inhert Apr 23, 2007 09:14 PM

*bang head on his keyboard*

I just missed the episode >.< I was too concentrated in making a sig XD

well I just need to wait for the rip to pop up in the next few hour XD

Free.User Apr 23, 2007 11:04 PM

Well, that was quite an episode!

I thought that part where Sylar held up the shards of glass was pretty cool. It seems that Mohinder does have a power, but what could it be? The obvious answer would be regeneration, but that card has already been played quite a bit, and its getting rather old.

whinehurst Apr 23, 2007 11:13 PM

I'm not familiar with the card, what's the url on it?

Grail Apr 23, 2007 11:14 PM

I doubt mohinder has a power, unless that power is pushing things into people using his hands.

Free.User Apr 23, 2007 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Grail (Post 428154)
I doubt mohinder has a power, unless that power is pushing things into people using his hands.

Well then how did he survive from being impaled onto the ceiling?

Grail Apr 23, 2007 11:24 PM

Wasn't Sylar the only person holding him up there? I didn't see any spikes or nails or whatnot through his body, and he fell as soon as Sylar was distracted.

The Plane Is A Tiger Apr 23, 2007 11:24 PM

I don't think he was ever impaled, just held up by Sylar's telekinetic power. I think he's powerless and all that "Are you on the list?" stuff with Mohinder was just a red herring.

Spectacular episode tonight. I was about to say that it was too lacking in Hiro action, but I'm sure we'll get plenty of that next week in THE WORLD OF TOMORROW!

Crash "Long-Winded Wrong Answer" Landon Apr 23, 2007 11:46 PM

RETCON:

Save the cheerleader. Save Linderman's vision of urban renewal.

But seriously, it's becoming apparent that saving Claire was a bit of misdirection. Claire is a key player, but not because she is going to directly save the world; that's Peter's job still. It seems that saving Claire was necessary so that Peter would obtain her regeneration skills which will likely be the determining factor.

Linderman's a wily one, though I doubt he's as insane as he's played up to being. Kudos to Kring for giving Linderman a power. I hadn't foreseen that twist, and it's not a power to be taken lightly either.
Linderman seems confident in Isaac's visions of the future and has quite the collection, including many we're only seeing now. I'm thinking that it's perhaps a bit of necessary deception for Linderman to portray himself as a pathologically misguided savior of mankind, as this might be the only course that will successfully prompt Nathan Pitrelli into behaving in a certain manner. (Nathan is a rather hands-off sort, after all.)
Ultimately, by causing Nathan to go against the vision of mankind's rebirth through destruction, Linderman may be ensuring that the world is truly saved after all. I'm willing to bet there are several paintings yet to be revealed which will corroborate this theory at the season's end.

In some ways, I'm okay with Isaac's death. His girlfriend left him and was later killed. Killing off Isaac concludes that plot thread entirely and simplifies things at the endgame. He served his purpose and his ability may prove to be too much for Sylar to cope with.

Can't wait for time to get torn a new asshole when Hiro causes a paradox next week. That ought to be fun.

Free.User Apr 23, 2007 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tritoch (Post 428163)
I don't think he was ever impaled, just held up by Sylar's telekinetic power.

Well I guess that's possible, but I was under the impression that he was impaled in the same manner Sylar's first victim was.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon (Post 428165)
Can't wait for time to get torn a new asshole when Hiro causes a paradox next week. That ought to be fun.

Haha yeah, I was thinking the same thing. This show has no shortage of intelligent writing.

Grail Apr 24, 2007 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Free.User (Post 428172)
Haha yeah, I was thinking the same thing. This show has no shortage of intelligent writing.

I'm not one to doubt anything this show has thrown at us, but I have a feeling they are going to cop out on explaining the time paradox on this one.

I feel as though it'll be something along the lines of the meeting of the two Hiro's being the whole "rift" thing future Hiro tells Peter on the train, cause if past Hiro never visited the future one, then the future Hiro would have no reason to go back in time and tell Peter all that stuff...so forth and so on.

nazpyro Apr 24, 2007 02:03 AM

Should be interesting to see who Linderman's ol' comrades are and what their powers are. Only four episodes left... taking it down to the wire with 24. Oh that's right, it's gonna be a showdown with Jack Bauer in the finale.

Also: "What do you do with something that killed you?" :tpg:

makura Apr 24, 2007 04:40 AM

Good to see Heroes back on air. I look forward to seeing the future episode.
and.. Mohinder is a dumbass. He had the perfect opportunity to unload on Sylar's head when he was down.


edit:
I guess his priority was to destroy the list and get Peter out.

On another note: http://votepetrelli.com/
Let's support Nathan and plaster flyers all over our cities!

speculative Apr 24, 2007 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tritoch (Post 428163)
I was about to say that it was too lacking in Hiro action, but I'm sure we'll get plenty of that next week in THE WORLD OF TOMORROW!

Spoiler:
With not one but TWO Hiros in the episode, this should be guaranteed. :D


I enjoyed the episode, but there was too much "posturing" for me. At least we know a few things we didn't before, but I hope the next episode has more things happening. Not necessarily "action" per se, but at least things happening...

Drex Apr 24, 2007 09:47 AM

Man, what a great episode. The graphic novels revealed the Linderman revelation before it hit the show, but the backstory included was really neat and tells a lot about the Petrelli-Linderman connection. I'm still kinda miffed that they kept dangling Mrs. Petrelli in front of us the way they did - while they're leaving it up in the air whether or not she has a power, the fact that both Nathan and Peter have powers and that Mr. Petrelli apparently did not leads me to strongly suspect that she does have a power. They just won't tell us what until the opportune moment. Linderman's connection to the company, while heavily implied before, was cemented in this episode because of what's-her-bucket (the perception-bender) manipulating Micah. And I'm guessing Micah's role is to rig the election now that Wireless 'caused' the original rigging to 'fail.' Silly website involvement with the show.

I'm getting kinda fed up with Hiro's storylines. I love his character, but he's been mostly worthless for so long. Can we please move along to something interesting for him? I suppose there's some possibility within this new timeline, but I'm kinda iffy on it.

I'm also liking Sylar's warped usage of Isaac's power. Can't decide whether he's just getting used to it, or if the continued integration of multiple lines of DNA are warping him to the point where he won't be able to accurately use all of his powers. And what Isaac said about letting everyone know how to stop him - the questions that statement raises are many. Mostly, though, I want to know if the information is in the comic he sent off, in the sketchbook that he gave away, or if he gives Sylar his power and Sylar reveals the method, or if the simple fact that he integrated one too many DNA strings messes him up enough to reveal his weakness, or what.

The Plane Is A Tiger Apr 24, 2007 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Drex
Linderman's connection to the company, while heavily implied before, was cemented in this episode because of what's-her-bucket (the perception-bender) manipulating Micah. And I'm guessing Micah's role is to rig the election now that Wireless 'caused' the original rigging to 'fail.' Silly website involvement with the show

You know, it's really annoying how they seem to put all this important information in the online comic. Wireless has appeared, what, twice in the show? Neither time even being given a name or much of a hint to her power. What did she do to stop the rigging of the election?

I was guessing that he recruited Micah to keep Bennet, Parkman, and Sprague from being able to destroy the tracking system. Then again, that raises the question as to why they haven't moved something that important out of NYC to avoid the explosion.

Shonos Apr 24, 2007 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tritoch (Post 428366)
You know, it's really annoying how they seem to put all this important information in the online comic. Wireless has appeared, what, twice in the show? Neither time even being given a name or much of a hint to her power. What did she do to stop the rigging of the election?

I was guessing that he recruited Micah to keep Bennet, Parkman, and Sprague from being able to destroy the tracking system. Then again, that raises the question as to why they haven't moved something that important out of NYC to avoid the explosion.

She sent you (and others) emails, text messages, and so on asking to help her stop the rigging. So at 9 am every Tuesday (I think?) she had everyone enter a portal she opened and you helped her destroy the rigging system.

I gave it a try and it was a little fun. Though Micah just put a huge dent in her (and our) plan. He can just change the votes with a touch of his hand. :/

It's the whole Heroes 360 thing they were advertising awile ago. It's a way to make the audience more involved in the show.

You've got her, Bennet, Claire's myspace, Hiro's blog, Mohinder putting his father's website back up, Primatech's website and so on.

But anyways, what I dont get is the whole Sylar and Isaac thing. Okay, sure Isaac said he showed how to stop Sylar but if Sylar can now see the future doesn't that make it a bit pointless? Everytime someone tries to kill him he'll most likely see it coming and will stop it accordingly.

Oh, and I like how Linderman shows what Peter could kind of become. Since his younger self was much like Peter and as you can see.. Linderman has changed greatly from that young boy who didn't want to kill Au Co. I guess we also know why Papa Petrelli didn't like Peter much. Peter reminded him too much of Linderman and Nathan reminded him of himself.

I'm guessing Mrs. Petrelli was one of Linderman's buddies. Since in the comic Linderman comes back and apologizes to Papa Petrelli, and asks him to be his partner iirc. So if Mrs. Petrelli does have powers it wouldn't be hard to see her joining Linderman too..

Drex Apr 24, 2007 12:13 PM

She stopped the rigging of the election by having people play a minigame to get rid of fake votes. It was pretty silly, really.

It's still possible that Micah's being used to keep the tracking system intact, but I'm guessing he's got a backup of that to avoid being destroyed by the explosion - he needs the explosion to happen so that Nathan's popularity can skyrocket as he pulls everyone through the crisis. I don't think he'd allow his operations to be crippled by something he designs to happen. I just wonder what will cause Peter to go off - are they going to ask him to do it, and will he do it of his own volition? 'cuz that could be pretty cool.

Grail Apr 24, 2007 12:15 PM

Now that I think about it, if Peter is indeed the one to go off, exploding wise, I don't think he'd do it to help out his brother, or Linderman for that matter.

I think it goes along the lines of another Sylar confrontation. Peter probably sees that the only way to stop the man is to take him, and unfortunately half the city of New York, to a crispy critter status.

Shonos Apr 24, 2007 12:41 PM

Well according to the latest comic Sylar was the original bomb. Hiro tried to stop him but when he stabbed Sylar he just regenerated and still went boom.

So I guess in the original time line he got Claire's and Sprague's powers and went nuclear.

Hiro went back to get Peter to save the cheerleader.. but it looks like that still didn't change the future. Instead of Sylar going boom it's Peter. Looks like the show is really starting to stress that you cant change some major parts of the future..

Helloween Apr 24, 2007 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Drex (Post 428343)
Mostly, though, I want to know if the information is in the comic he sent off, in the sketchbook that he gave away, or if he gives Sylar his power and Sylar reveals the method, or if the simple fact that he integrated one too many DNA strings messes him up enough to reveal his weakness, or what.

Weakness?

I'm not really sure he has just one weakness. He's far from all powerful. We saw this when Mohinder took him out with the black board on wheels. If Mohinder had had enough sense, he could've ended it right then and there. Just grab something sharp and do some neck damage. I don't think Sylar is beyond killing by conventional means.

If this is true however, then i'm wondering why Mohinder didn't just "unload" on him, as was mentioned above. I'm having a hard time remembering before the break. Why didn't he just kill Sylar back when he nailed him with the sedative and had him restrained?

Totally broken up over Isaac's death though. He was my favourite character. When we saw him dead the first time Hiro went to the future, i was so hoping that would be changed.

Drex Apr 24, 2007 03:38 PM

When he had Sylar sedated and restrained, he still hadn't done the spinal tap and completed his DNA research yet - after that was done, he shot (at) him. I guess he didn't off Sylar this time because he was so upset about Peter being dead.

And I guess I was referencing Sylar's 'weakness' because Isaac mentioned 'the way' to beat him. I was assuming that meant that there would be a key weakness, though that's not necessarily the case.

speculative Apr 24, 2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shonos (Post 428399)
But anyways, what I dont get is the whole Sylar and Isaac thing. Okay, sure Isaac said he showed how to stop Sylar but if Sylar can now see the future doesn't that make it a bit pointless? Everytime someone tries to kill him he'll most likely see it coming and will stop it accordingly.

I thought that at first, but basically Isaac said that you cannot fight the future, so we know for sure that Sylar "dies." (At least, he dies as Isaac painted him dying - whether or not he regenerates after dying is another story.) But think of this: if you saw a vision of the future where you were getting killed by a bullet, and from that point on managed to dodge all bullets, you could still get killed by something else. Isaac can't "see" the future, he can only paint it, which is a slower process.

Crash "Long-Winded Wrong Answer" Landon Apr 24, 2007 09:22 PM

I'm beginning to think that the deluge of online interactivity is becoming a hindrance to fans of the series. There's so much going on "behind the scenes" that weekly viewers of the television show never get to see, and cannot possibly otherwise know. Yet these websites, emails, codes, etc, they're turning out to be the sealant that fills in the miniscule cracks in the show's developing plotline. "Who is Wireless?" If you don't follow the blog and such, you may never truly find out.

That's annoying. I have a job and my own hobbies. I enjoy Heroes immensely and make sure that my Monday nights are free to watch the show. Isn't that really what a loyal fan should be doing? I'm enduring their commercials already. Don't make me browse umpteen websites as well just to gain a more satisfying comprehension of the story.

I think the extras are cool and whatnot, but its a bit much to expect anyone to sift through if you ask me. At the end of the season there will naturally be a Box Set. What then? Will all these blogs, codes and background events be included as a bonus DVD? How would some of it even work? I think fans are entitled to all the information that's been revealed so far and it all should rightly be in the DVDs. Just getting the episodes would be a letdown if you knew all that extra material was out there somewhere.

Interactivity is a novel approach to a series, but I think it's all too much, too quickly. I'm a patient person and can endure some spacing between revelations. Writing suspenseful material is best done with a fine chisel, not a sledgehammer.

quazi Apr 24, 2007 10:29 PM

I'd agree with you if this extra material was in any way necessary to one's understanding of the series. I get the feeling that had I read none of the comics (I haven't even bothered with the other stuff), I'd get the same enjoyment out of the show as I do now. It'd make sense to have some of the extras on a DVD set, but complaining because a myspace page isn't on a DVD seems kinda silly when it will in all probability be online.

It's an interesting approach, but I don't see a real downside to it. Those that ignore the extras don't miss much in terms of actual storyline. Those that follow the extras are treated to a bit extra side story.

The Furious One Apr 25, 2007 05:10 AM

I'm also quite confused by mohinder, didnt just cap Sylar right after he knocked him out.

I would be very lost if I had not read the comics. If you look how Linderman acts prior the break, he is very devilish. Then in this episode when he talks to Nathan all of a sudden he is completely different, you could only understand having read his back story from the comic. Also Hana's appearence is very random, without the comics.

I must of missed Issac painting Sylar's death. Which episode was this??? :twitch:

Looking forward to next weeks episode!


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