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SketchTheArtist Apr 23, 2006 09:22 AM

Could somebody 'SPOIL' the retard up there!

Double Post:
Box-Office estimates for the Week-End are 20.1 Million dollars. Not bad. Even if it drops by, say, 40% next week, it'll probably make back it's 45 Million dollars budget. And that's not even the gross World-wide.

So, I'm pretty confident about a sequel.

Motsy Apr 23, 2006 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight
I do think that a great addition to the finale would have been:

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...the cult members who were running towards the front door to have escaped, only to meet Pyramid Head and dozens of the different armless acid-spitting monsters from before.

Basically, I felt the finale had too many humans, and no monsters. I don't consider rape tentacles/barbed wire to be a Silent Hill monster.

I agree, if only because the movie coulda used more cowbe...Pyramid Head.

Megalith Apr 23, 2006 01:44 PM

Why are people so obessed with Pyramid Nerd.

He shouldn't even be in the film since the James isn't.

Matt Apr 23, 2006 01:49 PM

Was it explained in SH2 then that Pyramid Head was infact only a manifestation of James' version of hell?

Motsy Apr 23, 2006 01:55 PM

Pyramid Head is a manifestation of the town's old executioners. James sees them because he remembers that painting in the Historical Society from his last visit and it freaked him out -- PH isn't specifically tied to James.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Apr 23, 2006 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Megalith
Why are people so obessed with posting stupid ass shit.

I shouldn't even be in this thread since people can't stand me.

Correct for fact

Eleo Apr 23, 2006 02:02 PM

Pyramid Head is pretty much James' villain. Maybe other people in Silent Hill have/do/will see Pyramid Head, but Pyramid Head really only belongs in Silent Hill 2. He really only exists to punish those who are extremely guilt-ridden, such as James.

Silent Hill is extremely ambiguous as far as what is and what isn't. Like I said before, each Silent Hill game has had a similar-but-different look to it, especially regarding the alternate worlds. In the end, Silent Hill is pretty much seen as the protagonist sees it, even if there is a universal basis for evil lurking underneath everything.

The only reason Pyramid Head was in Silent Hill is because everyone goes apeshit for him and he was truly a great villain. If Walter Sullivan had happened to be the coolest SH villain I'm sure they would have thrown him in the movie instead. I still don't feel Pyramid Head belongs in Silent Hill, but I think we were all willing to let it slide because he is extremely cool.

Or he was.

Freddy Krueger Apr 23, 2006 02:03 PM

I found that finale with the barbwire rape scene to be fucking great though even if it isn't "Silent Hill" type of stuff.

Skexis Apr 23, 2006 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Megalith
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Ok, so what happens at the end. They are trapped in their version of Silent Hill, or what.

Also, why did they burn Alessa. What was her sin.


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1. That's what I got out of it. Silent Hill has come back with them. But I'm not entirely sure on this myself, so maybe someone else could fill me in.
2. She's a bastard child, born out of wedlock, and they're very angry people.


Am I the only one who liked seeing a more human side of Dahlia? I would have liked to have seen more of her, actually.

Megalith Apr 23, 2006 02:04 PM

Pyramid Nerd is a representation of James' anger and lust. That's why he's always killing shit and raping monsters in SH2. I don't remember what the significance is in concerns to Pyramid being a Civil War-era executioner, though.

They simply should have based the movie on Silent Hill 2. I think it would have played out well on film, and the concept doesn't seem particularly cliched to me. Also, Sean Bean makes a perfect Sunderland.

ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY WALK...INTO HEAVEN'S NIGHT.

::steel pipe::

Freddy Krueger Apr 23, 2006 02:11 PM

Well I can easily see a sequel with Sean Bean based on SHII, or would that not work? I'm not too familiar with the series so I'm not sure.

JazzFlight Apr 23, 2006 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Freddy Krueger
Well I can easily see a sequel with Sean Bean based on SHII, or would that not work? I'm not too familiar with the series so I'm not sure.

Wouldn't work, in terms of SH2's story.

MAJOR SPOILER FOR SH2'S WHOLE PLOT!:
James visits SH because his dead wife had written a letter to him, asking him to come. He goes there, but eventually finds out that HE killed his own wife.

Basically, she was really sick, and he was feeling tied down to her, so he put a pillow over her head and smothered her. Then his mind made up this little story that she died from the disease.

I can't see this happening, unless he gets married again or something. They could have easily worked this in if Rose actually got back home safely, but since she's in "Limbo Land," he's wifeless.

Megalith Apr 23, 2006 02:17 PM

It's the only logical route.

Sean Bean's character is left wondering what had happened to Rose and Sharon, since they're trapped in Silent Hill, and it only makes sense for him to revisit the town in order to find out what happened.

They fucked it all up already, though. The greatest thing in the entire series is featured in SH2. This is the fact that the town is a representation of oneself. The dark side is nothing but a reflection of one's own evils. The whole story about birthing Samael in the first SH and the third is just boring and stupid.

JazzFlight Apr 23, 2006 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Megalith
This is the fact that the town is a representation of oneself. The dark side is nothing but a reflection of one's own evils. The whole story about birthing Samael in the first SH and the third is just boring and stupid.

Woah, how is this a fact? Sure, it's an element of SH2, but you can't just throw out SH1 and 3's plot. It's freakin' canon.

Also, as I've said above, they'd have to create a new story with some kind of new twists if Sean Bean is going to be the main character.

It can't be based off of SH2.

Motsy Apr 23, 2006 02:30 PM

SH2 (the movie) could easily rewrite SH2 (the game)'s story as
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Christopher getting calls/letters from Rose begging him to find her in Silent Hill and berating him for leaving her there to die alone and never caring enough to find her.
Not saying that's what I would want, but they could easily rework the story to fit that mold.

JazzFlight Apr 23, 2006 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Motsy
SH2 (the movie) could easily rewrite SH2 (the game)'s story as
Spoiler:
Christopher getting calls/letters from Rose begging him to find her in Silent Hill and berating him for leaving her there to die alone and never caring enough to find her.
Not saying that's what I would want, but they could easily rework the story to fit that mold.

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The only thing is... that's not a twist. The problem with making Christopher into a James-esque character is that we already know what happened before. We saw the first film, so there's no "hidden past" that we could uncover.

Wall Feces Apr 23, 2006 02:34 PM

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Alot of the complaints I heard from my professor and other friends was the Bean's character sucks for just saying "kthxbye" to the police and not continuing his search for Rose. Your idea for a rewrite would definitely satisfy their demands, Motsy.

Motsy Apr 23, 2006 02:34 PM

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They wouldn't need a twist. Hell, the changed the entire cult around for the movie -- I wouldn't be surprised to see them do something similar for SH2. I don't want that, but it's certainly possible.


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Alot of the complaints I heard from my professor and other friends was the Bean's character sucks for just saying "kthxbye" to the police and not continuing his search for Rose.
This is why I really feel they should've written Christopher's segments so that HE learned the history of the town, and dropped the Dark Alessa exposition sequence. His scenes are mostly pointless filler as are.

Wall Feces Apr 23, 2006 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Motsy
EDIT:This is why I really feel they should've written Christopher's segments so that HE learned the history of the town, and dropped the Dark Alessa exposition sequence. His scenes are mostly pointless filler as are.

Agreed. It would have been such a simple fix that for some reason, they didn't do. Oh well, I'll deal with it.

SketchTheArtist Apr 23, 2006 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sprouticus
Agreed. It would have been such a simple fix that for some reason, they didn't do. Oh well, I'll deal with it.

Could've worked, but I like it also that way.

And Sean Bean's character was written in the script because of the only studio note they received: "There are no men?!".

Dr. Uzuki Apr 23, 2006 08:19 PM

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I got a sense that not only did the cult want to deal with the child being a bastard, but the fact that Dahlia wouldn't even name a father. The cult might of figured the conception to be unnatural and the child a demon. Whether or not Alyssa's birth really was a product of dark works and if she really had any power before her burning, if the evil split personality came directly from her or was a/the devil responding to her pain, that much is left ambiguous.

SketchTheArtist Apr 23, 2006 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki
Spoiler:
I got a sense that not only did the cult want to deal with the child being a bastard, but the fact that Dahlia wouldn't even name a father. The cult might of figured the conception to be unnatural and the child a demon. Whether or not Alyssa's birth really was a product of dark works and if she really had any power before her burning, if the evil split personality came directly from her or was a/the devil responding to her pain, that much is left ambiguous.

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Maybe Dahlia wouldn't name a Father because she wasn't married to him, so it would constitute a sin to their religion. Maybe the 'Father' was an important member of the community and Dahlia didn't want to tarnish his character. There's A LOT of material to play with here and as Gans said multiple times, the Mythology and history of Silent Hill is way too vast to tell in one siting. He could do a story about the first Witch Hunt, Dr. Kauffman, Lisa Garland, Dahlia, the origin of the mystic indiens who lived on this land, etc.

As for Alessa being born with Dark gifts, personally, I think she either didn't have any powers wathsoever and the cruel attention she got from school and the cult was because her Father was never named or maybe she was a psychic. What I'm sure of is that Dark Alessa is a manifestation of Silent Hill, clearly Samael.

Zonix717 Apr 23, 2006 08:44 PM

Hey i saw Silent hill and i was like OMG it was so good no it was great they did so good on it but there was a problem. The main person dident interact that much with the monsters. But it was still good. Ill give it a 8 out of 10.

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O ya and you dont see PH that much in the movie so that sucked but when you do see PH it was AWSOME.

Wall Feces Apr 23, 2006 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Zonix717
Hey i saw Silent hill and i was like OMG it was so good no it was great they did so good on it but there was a problem. The main person dident interact that much with the monsters. But it was still good. Ill give it a 8 out of 10.

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O ya and you dont see PH that much in the movie so that sucked but when you do see PH it was AWSOME.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3117/getabrain4hq.jpg

Terran Gell Apr 23, 2006 09:21 PM

I really have to say I was impressed. Graphics were top notch and the story was excellent. Easily the best movie adaptation of a video game I've ever seen. A couple parts made me cringe like the whole cult thing (a bit hokey)but overall enjoyable. Really lacked monsters though and the ending was a bit confusing.

8.5/10

A sequal HAS to be made. They have a story for the next one (SH2) all they have to do is stick with it. They can come back to Rose and Sharron in the 3rd film.


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