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That right there is fucking ignorant. Just to disgregard any amount of history is completely asinine. Blacks have as much importance to the history of America and the world as much as whites, Native Americans, Asians, Indians and any other culture and/or race of the world. To leave out one in favor of the other only leads to the same mistakes being made.

Race is still an important issue and even in the rest world, as the riots in France has shown. It may seem like racism is gone but it's just pushed under the radar, away from the public concscience, wrapped in the warm blanket called 'political correctness'.

Sure, some of the issue does lay within the individual. The ghettos could be improved with the support of the community. However, the fact that the stereotypes and ignorance permiates within many whites agrivates things. Attributing statistics such as crime and arrests to race doesn't show that such a race is more troublesome, it just shows that that race is generally in a disadvantageous situation. I can guarentee you that the situation would be exactly the same with only the skin color changed.

I'm very fortuante to be where I'm at, and no I don't know what it's like to be persecuted, harassed or discrimated on the basis of my skin color. I wish I did, it would be easier to empathize.

lol, kike. Sorry, but I'm not even 1% jewish. I am 100% italian, so if you are going to call me anything call me a dago.

What history are we disregarding? Slavery and Civil rights are VERY important parts of American history, and SHOULD be taught, and we should definitely learn about important Black people in American History. Which we do. As well as important people of OTHER races.

But there is no reason for the importance to be based on race. If the person was an important contributor to American History, learn about them. I don't give a crap whether he was black, white, asian, or an oompa-loompa.

Black importance should NOT be the FOCUS of American History classes. AMERICA'S development into today's world should be. Black participation in that is just one small part of a larger whole. Involving native americans, asians, etc.

Black cultural development in Africa has absolutely NOTHING to do with American history whatsoever, and should NOT be taught in an American History class. That's best left for a Black History class.

In many parts in Philly, it's literally considered suicide for a white person to walk the streets at night. If you walk the streets and get shot, you are considered at fault for walking there, not the actual shooter.

But good neighborhoods like mine have a lot of minorities who aren't bad. There are plenty of blacks, hispanics, asians who I am friends with that live around me that wouldn't hurt anyone. Just good people.

To me, the bad neighborhoods are just corrupted with bad parenting, drugs, and bad influences. Young kids growing up not knowing right from wrong. It's a trickle down effect from parents being in jail for doing drugs, etc.

Things leading to the cause of the first pilgrims leaving Europe to start a new colony in the Americas has EVERYTHING to do with American history. You have to start somewhere.

Even English colonization of Africa could be considered part of it, as a brief section, to explain how the slave trade arose.

What exactly is your level of reading comprehension? Go 2 posts back and read again, this time, very carefully.

I apologize. I didn't realize you couldn't count to two.

Black cultural development (in Africa) has nothing to do with American history. Civil Rights, the development of jazz music, etc...all that DOES.

English colonization of Africa and them starting up the slave trade, and us shipping African slaves to America DOES.

Go read my posts. I've clearly stated that if important to American HISTORY, then include it. Irish immigration - sure, talk a little about the potato famine. Slavery? Sure, talk about how the slave trade started up. Going in depth to how black culture arose in Africa is going way off course.

However I've dealt with your immeasurable stupidity in the past, and I know that such a simple thing as actually reading someone's post in its entirety and getting the whole picture is an impossiblity for you. You just take one statement out of context and endlessly bitch about it.

I'm not going to shit around with you, good night.

The slave trade did not arise with the British colonization of Africa. Slave trading has been an almost universally accepted practice since the dawn of civilization.

Oh wait, WEREN'T THERE PEOPLE HERE ALREADY.

You want to talk about HISTORY, the HISTORY that you know was written by white people about white people. How about the real American history? How much Native American history do you know? Mexican history?

Don't make it sound like America was a vast wasteland before the pilgrims came and made it into what it was today. America was built on the backs of numerous minorities already living here, most that were killed or at best, taken advantage of and they are totally written out of history textbooks because it is an "unsavory" topic. History is not full of angelic hero figures like Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson. They're just written that way because of the culture's glorification of these "legendary" figures when Washington was an inept military figure, Lincoln was probably insane and partly racist and Jefferson had like 3 kids with one of his slaves.

History ain't that great. History 50 years ago didn't even mention slavery in school. History is a reflection of society and while society still has racism, there will be racism in the way the truth about history is portrayed.

Read Lies My Teacher Told Me by Loewen. Guess what. COLUMBUS WAS AN ASSHOLE.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and volunteer myself as being scared out of my wits, not by racism, but by the fascism of multiculturalism. I'm more of a racist than most anyone with whom I've come into contact - but that doesn't mean I hate black or asian people; it's simply a matter of putting value on one's heritage. The real tragedy of the African population of North America isn't that they haven't attained social equality with Europeans, it's the fact that in striving for it they've abandoned their racial identity.

This is because the history of America (as in, the U.S. and Canada) is largely European history. These country's were formed out of the heritage of the people who founded them. The heritage of the African peoples in the United States, in the context of that countries history, is one of slavery. If they'd had any sense of their own history, they shouldn't have been content to accept the ridiculous idea of citizenship in the land of their slavemasters. But what you have to realize is that the African culture they'd emerged from was one of tribal (read: racial) violence, where one group of blacks would slaughter another, slightly different group of blacks, and even sell them into slavery to other groups, including Europeans and Americans. To better themselves and build a better heritage for their future generations, the African situation is what they have to change, not the North American one. Instead of endeavoring to do this, they either:

"integrate", which essentially means they adopt a European history in becoming just a slightly peculiar part of a white culture, or:

move into the ghetto and join a gang, continuing their history of group-based violence.

Neither of these does any good for blacks or whites, in the long run. Ironically, the natural outcome of a nation of multiple races, is hatred toward other races, and this shouldn't be the case. A people should have it's own history, and not merely assimilate someone else's.

But slaves in most cultures before American weren't property. Their kids weren't slaves. They could buy their freedom and also, slavery in America was race based because whites felt superior to blacks. That was rarely, if ever the case in past slave cultures.

They were not minorities at this point, actually. This is a very good example of subtle racism that people don't notice. We think of the Natives as minorities, even at a point in time where there were a hell of a lot more of them than Europeans.

I didn't ask for your family history, you useless nigger. You honestly think we should just drop the whole racism thing.

So, like, are we going to pay the blacks restitution for slavery, or make any effort to bring them and other minorities to equal socioeconomic status with whites when we decide to stop calling each other mean things, or what?

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lol racism

I like how you don't even bring up pre-whitey American history. Will that be a brief section too?

What? So all other races besides White Europeans should PACK UP and move back to their countries? WHAT? Blacks have been here for GENERATIONS, their history IS American history but they've been largely excluded from US history because of their race. WHITE CULTURE IS NOT THE DOMINANT CULTURE. American culture as it is TODAY is a mixture and conglomeration of MANY MANY different racial cultures. As much as I hate the term, America is an "melting pot" or "salad bowl " and we are made up of immigrants and our culture reflects that.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE.

I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure that--especially with respect to tribal racism in Africa--the enslavers felt superior to the enslaved a good bit of the time.

I don't think you can realistically assume this. The master will always feel superior to the slave. The fact is, they found a whole shitload of people that they could take advantage of, and they did it. If Africans had white skin, it wouldn't have made the slightest difference.

knkwzrd - The british, however, were primary responsible for setting up the slave trade which provided the American colonies with slaves.

Yamam - In an American History class, there is no need to go in depth with African culture. African-American culture? Sure. That's part of American history.

kat - There's a simple matter of ratios here which you and several other people are completely missing. American history is LARGELY white-based. European history. African culture is part of American history, yes - but there is no reason for it to be some huge massive focus because a few radicals can't get past the fact that their ancestors of 150+ years ago were enslaved. The development of African culture in Africa is such a far out loose end that there's no point in even covering it in an American History class, where the primary focus should be on AMERICA.

I'm not denying the importance of blacks in American history.

I am saying that there is no reason to put as much emphasis on it as some people want to.

Nobody is shoving 'white' history down anyone's throats. They are teaching AMERICAN history, which proportionately has much more to do with europeans, as I just noticed Gwaehir mentioned.

Oh wait, now I remember you, DarkLink2135. You're the guy way back when that thought cars aren't worshipped by white people in America.

BE CAREFUL, MINORITIES ARE DIFFERENT.

I believe that we shouldn't even teach History. Why teach someone about what happened in the past? Don't even say "So the same things don't happen again".

Instead invest the time preparing kids/adolescents for the future, the right decisions, things that PARENTS should be doing but unfortunately aren't.