Solid upgrade, that is an unbelievabely HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE upgrade.

Man I actually am most excited for all the music upgrades personally, but the more improvements the better.

Awesome that Microsoft finally released their own list of crap that's gonna get added in the update. It's irritating that they don't do that more often. I really hate downloading an update for a game and not knowing what exactly I just updated.

I've just downloaded the patch, and while I'm sure that I'm not gonna notice most of the fixes, some of them are obvious. I like the All Arcade Games for exampel. Now I'd just wait for several things worth downloading so I can try out the Download manager...

I'm loving the update it only took one minute and you can notice some of the major features like background downloading and boot to dash make a big difference.

Hell, I just downloaded two

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER

trailers to try out the download manager.

My favorite parts are:

• The download manager, of course.
• BOOT TO DASH. OH GOD MICROSOFT HAVE MY BABIES THANK YOU FOR BOOT TO DASH.
• Putting the themes button in the Console Settings menu. Makes a shitton more sense for it to be there.
• Reorganizing the Marketplace and Arcade downloads so they make sense and are easy to browse.
• Remembering my volume setting, AND letting me carry over music between games and the dashboard. SO awesome.

There's one thing that bugs me, though. The shuffle button on the guide player feels backwards to me. The button apparently does shuffle when the icon is displaying something that doesn't look like shuffle. I hate it when buttons do that, I want it to display what the button is doing now, not what pushing the button changes the function to.

That's just a minor gripe, though, and one I'm sure to get used to thanks to the fact that it REMEMBERS MY SETTINGS. Now if I could just get the damn thing to load all the songs off of my computer a little bit faster...

Overall, Microsoft I think is really proving that they know what the fuck they're doing. NOW START UPDATING US ON GAME UPDATES MORE! ARJAGIOJASDIOFJAKLDJIO!

So, the update would take obvious precedence over any people playing halo 2 on 360. Or any game for that matter. It does not have a mind of its own to please Devo at all times, it is making the service better overall. Why get mad at having problems during a time where probably most of the populaton east coast is asleep.

For some odd reason, after the update my Zen Micro no longer is being recognized. :eyebrow: Good thing this is going back to Texas in a few days. :)

Why? What's in Texas?

The Microsoft repair center, just waiting on the prepaid sticker and box/coffin from MSFT. It should arrive sometime this week.

***Downloaded videos can now be fast forwarded, rewound, and such.***

So now we can fast forward and rewind video's? ZOMFG!!! I've always wanted this *sigh*... yet we can't fast forward and rewind music? :eyebrow: That's gotta be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I've always wanted to rewind and fast forward the music I play on my 360 but there's no option to do that. In fact, that is something that should have been possible from the very start. This simply proves how cheesy they were when putting this machine together. Maybe it's the remote I use?

*Alrighty, let's just throw in a generic sound player and I think we'll be ready to ship it off 7:00am tomorrow!*

I swear I don't whos stupider, Microsoft or Sony.

The only "fast forwarding" you should really need for music is just skipping tracks.

Otherwise, just sit through the song.

I would agree with you if I were an average listener. It was thoughtful of them to add this function for videos, but music is prime and should of had forward/rewind from the beginning.

Let me ask you something man. How often do you find yourself simply sitting in front of your tv listening to music on your 360? Do you not have a computer? Or a CD player or something? I have to say that it is really strange for your primary music player to be a gaming console.

I have to admit, though, that sometimes I am guilty of thinking that others are governed by the same level of logic and by comparable levels of common sense that I am, so forgive me if I wrong to assume this of you.

Is it completely illogical to think that maybe some people have their 360 connected to a nice surround system and prefer listening to music on that over their dinky computer speakers or $1 CD player headphones.

Is it completely illogical to think that if someone shelled out the cash for a nice surround system, they would also shell out the cash for something more than a gaming console through which to play their music? If a person cares so much about sound quality as to buy high quality audio equipment, I would find it silly and illogical that the best thing they have to generate sound to push through their high quality audio system is a gaming console. But maybe that is simply flawed common sense speaking.

Also if they cared so much about audio quality, why are they using dinky computer speakers or cheap headphones. This would be counter intuitive.

I'd like to throw out the fact that Ani listens to his music through his 360 because his laptop speakers are broken. Living in res means he can't get a huge sound system. Just throwing this out because there seems to be a valid reason for advanced audio controls on the 360.

ON THE OTHER HAND, russ has a point because the 360 doe not seem like the best solution for a network music player.

If you're listening on an unfiltered digital out, it would sound the same on your audio equipment whether you're playing from a $400 Xbox 360, $50 DVD Player, or $83,000 CD player. Stop digging yourself into a hole.

The point was not how well the console produces the sound, but how versatile an audio player the console is {or isn't, in this case}. The point was that a gaming console is not designed to be an audio player, and is not going to do all the things that a traditional audio player will be capable of doing, which is what this individual apparently expects from his gaming console.

Also I don't think that Microsoft is really going to give some feature like that a high priority rating for all three hundred people on earth who really really want it.

By that logic though, if the lack of fast forward and rewind was upsetting him so much he should just go and spend fifty bucks on a cd player...

It is completely reasonable to be upset that there isn't a fast forward or rewind function for music playback. There is absolutely no reason for them not to have that feature available since they do for video, and having the same for audio would be even easier to implement. "It's not meant to primarily be a music player" is a terrible justification for leaving out such a basic feature.

Oh absolutely, to not have one defies logic really. I'm just saying that rather than get upset about it he could have taken some fairly simple remedial action...

Yes Tube I agree, there are several reasons. I happen to enjoy my 360 very much, and the sound quality is satisfying when I feel like keeping my PC off for a while. http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/im...ons/icon14.gif


@ russ, my point still remains. It would be nice to fast forward and rewind your music on your Xbox 360; period. Anything that plays music for that matter should have this. It shouldn't even be a question.

Double Post:
I agree, another one of my points. It's not even about the music right now. It's the fact that they haven't added that from the start which sort of makes me wonder. What if I decide I want to play a song during CoD2 and I want to simply fast forward a part I don't like? I mean, come on. Hello

Double Post:
And you think I have't already tooken remedial action? That's not even the point, sir. The point is they should of had that "basic"... I'm sorry, I mean "Very basic" feature from the get-go. Would you not agree, that one may want to use that handy dandy forward/rewind feature someday? Seeing how I paid so much for the system, I would imagine it's only natural to ask myself this question.

The bottom line is that if Microsoft went through all the trouble to include a music player in the 360 as part of their strategy to make it a multi-media machine, they should at least have such a basic function as intra-track seeking (rewind and fast-forward).

Also, maybe the listener doesn't want to have to go buy/hook-up another CD player just to be able to seek. Has anyone thought about that possibility?

The conversation is moot. I'll be deleting any further replies on the subject (Shin excepted).

And Merv, russ, go back under the bridge already.