You evidentally have a lot of anger problems. I am probably much older than you too [you called me a teen without even seeing my profile].
I'm not better anyone or think better of myself just because I watch BSG. I was simply trying to reply to your points by pointing out that conflicted characters are interesting and the plot is interesting. And ive never heard of those shows you just mentioned.

"Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting, usually in the social context of a discussion board."

I'm replying to points about the main subject. You are just resorting to attacks.

Ignoring the meaningless flames flaming around...

I kinda enjoy the new series. I too never watched the original series but who cares? The new one is simply awesome though I admit that the few beginning episodes in Season 1 were a bit boring, however from mid season 1 till now the show's momentum and depth just seems to keep kicking up.

Plus I think the soundtrack is fantastic. Works perfectly well with all the scenes and is just way cool.

I started watching the series in the middle of last month, and was caught up as of two weeks ago. Waiting a week for episodes is torture in its purest form. I do like Battlestar Galactica. Season 1 was great, I thought. but most of the middle of Season 2 has been weak, in my opinion. Though, two episodes ago was great, and now this, the season finale, is interesting though the cliffhanger of this two-parter wasn't too spectacular. I have no idea what to expect to happen in the finale, except death. Death is always good.

You morbid morbid fellow ahaha

Does someone pay you to do this? Or do you just find satisfaction in stating the obvious for the last 4 years I've been here, fucktard

I'm older than you by a year and seven months.

Then I suggest finding them, because, you know, Akira Kurosawa did some pretty fucking great movies. (I can't believe you've never heard of The Day After - that was the biggest TV movie of the Regan era)

Well, the easy answer is that it's because I am an intellectual in my everyday life. I'm sure you become similarly annoyed when you see people loading pigs onto trucks backwards.

I fail to see how you putting up a quote like that is going to make me rethink what I'm saying here. Truth be told queer-o, I've made many long, concise points that you've skipped over entirely because, you know, you don't have anything intelligent to say about the Judeochristian bullshit symbolism that BSG vomits out like a college student on spring break.

Heres a list of concise points you've never even answered to yet:

*"These things alone are not entirely bad, but Battlestar Galactica has also somehow managed to convince masses of fandom that incredibly generic things it does are somehow brilliant."

*"it's a very very generic drama that's set in space - it would still have had no clever commentary whatsoever."

*"Think about it -- when we were kids, why did we get into science fiction? Because there were shows like ST:TNG or movies like Star Wars that we could enjoy on our level while our parents loved them on another. Now we've grown up, we're in charge and what do we want? Sex, violence and language thrown in our face as quickly as possible to remind us we're *adults* now!"

*"Battlestar Galactica deals with 'issues' (nay: the human condition! that sound intellectual in its vaugness!) in excatly the same manner as does an afternoon soap opera or an hour of 90210. The difference is that 90210 is lots of easy fun and you don't have to deal with insufferable 90210 fans insisting that the show is carefully crafting a brilliant symbol with its treatment of Dylan's father issues. Robots having sex, robots having abortions, robots arguing about religion are not clever issues and the discussion adds nothing to any of these topics - they're the same cheap, easy, common issues that every sagging drama in the universe brings out for sweeps. But here they're *in space*, so they're brilliant and subtle and clever!"

*"None of what you've just said has anything to do with Battlestar Galactica. You're an angry teenager wailing out a personal attack because I dared make fun of your... television show? What the hell? Here, people, here is what is wrong with your fandom!"

How about you ditch the smarmy-ass attitude that I'm flaming when all you're doing is completely ignoring the obvious discussion I'm making.

To be fair, BSG is a generic sci-fi show. But then I don't watch it because it's supposed to be thought provoking or deep. I enjoy it because it's something to sit down and watch and enjoy.

Borg4258764, shut up. Not everything has a deep psychologic hidden meaning about how your mother didn't let you pet the cat as a child. Sometimes people hate things because they're stupid, pretentious, and annoying. Which pretty much sums up my personal feelings about you as a person pretty well.

Can we stop with the bashing and discuss the show already?

I thought the first part of the season finale was awesome. Oh, I'm not going to put this into spoiler tags, so if you haven't seen the latest episode already, just don't read this.

The presidential election will actually be a lot more interesting with the discovery of a habitable planet and I didn't quite understand that Roslin and Adama are so opposed to the idea of permanent settlement. Why didn't anyone come up with the idea to split the group of survivors to increase their chances of not being hunted down by the Cylons?

Also, this "priest" who was talking to the chief was hilarious:

"How do you know I'm not a Cylon?"
- "Oh maybe I am and I know because I haven't seen you at the meetings."

Besides, did he actually kill Cally or what? Either I missed the information or they intentionally leave you in the dark about this. In any way, the fear of being a Cylon and not knowing it is an interesting idea and I wonder why I didn't care about this earlier or why they haven't brought it up until now.

I'm also starting to guess what the third season will be about. Maybe they actually decide to settle on this planet and we get to witness the building of a new colony. There's a lot of room for speculation and I'm definately looking forward to the things to come ...

When the priest mentioned that the Chief should go back to work, the Chief said he was afraid of facing the deck crew and especially Cally again, so I think she made it.

There's no way they could actually settle on that planet. The nebula might provide concealment, but all it would take is one Cylon agent to leave the planet and go tell the other Cylons. The settlement would be vulnerable, no matter what they do.

Changing the subject, does it bother anyone else that at the end of the opening credits, a bunch of images from the upcoming episode flash by? Why would anyone want to see spoilers like that?

Yeah, this has been bothering me forever. It's actually nice of them to add a different music to these spoiler scenes, so you can easily ignore them.

I thought these flashy episode previews were quite common with American shows, though.

There's another thing I'd like to add in regard to the last episode: I loved the suspenseful music that was accompanying the first half; I heard that Philip Glass was doing some music for the show, so I'd like to hear more about that.

And thats perfectly fine. The problem is when someone thinks theres brilliant subtext - when there actually isn't any subtext at all.

Yeah, we can't disagree about anything if it pisses someone else off! (Get bent)

I can't think of another show that airs clips from the episode in the intro. There have been shows in the past that air clips before the commercial breaks, but they still don't give anything away (they just show what you knew was going to happen anyway). At the beginning of this season, the first one or two episodes didn't have the clips, and I thought they'd come to their senses.

I think you got your wires crossed. If you remember back to the start of the season (2nd episode, i think), when Starbuck's in her old apartment and plays music she says was by her father - that piece was actually by Glass. It's called Metamorphosis One and it's from the album Solo Piano.

It's just a throwback to shows like Thunderbirds and Space: 1999 (the main inspiration for it, according to Moore) that did the same thing. Even the original BSG did it. I don't see it as particularly spoilerific, since there's no context as to what is going on and why, but I can see why people might find it annoying.

As for this week's ep, I found it kind of lacklustre. There were some great moments - like Roslin cracking up during the teaser - and Dean Stockwell was great in his scenes with the Chief, but the political stuff was too obvious and the Caprica rescue mission was ridiculous. I couldn't see Adama risking 20 raptors and who-knows-how-many men for what seemed like 20 civies, in the end; and I couldn't care less whether Anders was alive. The episode just stopping didn't help matters any, either. Guess the real payoff will be next week.

:p. Ok, perhaps the revealing of another cylon model. We know.. 5 right now? Out of 12? Or maybe, revelation + death. Ohh, ultimate combo. My limitless creativity flatters me.

Who are you?

I'm guessing he's yet another person who's tired of your whining.

I absolutely hate it! I close my eyes or go make something to eat or drink until the music stops so not to be spoiled one bit. I wish they'd just stop doing that.

I'm with you there. It was kind of lackluster but I still enjoyed it. I really liked the music when they were preparing for the debate. I frakking hate it when episodes just come to end like that and leave you hanging; kind of like the season finale of the first season...talk about a cliffhanger. But I guess that's what makes it good too.

So I join the thread by saying that season 1 is great, get flamed & attacked for that opinion, and point out the obvious that I'm being flamed. It wasn't whining but it was constructive criticism that people need to lighten up because it is just a TV show. I will reply to LeHah's points in a moment.

Yeah, it's everyone else's fault. Christ, stop it. You're running this thread into the ground and its left you behind already.

6 out of 12, so far.

Yeah, that music was really good. Which reminds me: for anyone who likes the music in BSG, here's a few of the tracks that'll be on the next soundtrack CD: link-oh.

1. Point 1, agreed. There is plenty of Judeochristian type crap and I am not at all a religious person. But I watch the show for different reasons. I could care less if they are religious people and a lot of symbols in the show are religious. It's not real life. It's a show.

2. Which generic things? Examples?

3. Commentary from whom? Explain this point.

4. BSG isn't about sex or having sex. The show also is not about sex robots for the purpose of doing such a thing. Who cares if there have been some minimal "sex" scenes. Sex is apart of real life, as it is for people in the show.
What is wrong with this "violence" thing you speak of? Every Sci Fi is violent in some fashion. What parts in what eps are violent but unnecessarily so?

5. The issues on BSG are done differently than real life because there are conscious robots in the show. If you didn't like the idea of thinking robots from the beginning why in the HELL would you watch any episodes? I hate when people are hypocrits and who hate the entire concept but have still seen a good share (or all) of the show. I mean, it is clear you've seen a nice share of it because you mentioned the abortion thing, and other aspects. When I tried out "LOST" and realized I hated it, I deleted it immediately and will never watch it again. Your curiosity is getting the better of you and there is some part of you that likes something in it.
I, for one, don't care about the issues as much as the main plot of trying to look for Earth. That's why season 2 has been so weak for me, and I have been missing the Trek series as of late. I thought season 1 was perfect, and on track. So I don't like the show as much as you think I do.

6. It's not "my" TV show. I like many more better. As I said, season 2 has been pretty weak to me. Honestly, how did you like season 1? Season 2?

Im really hoping for a real reply but expect "cock sucker, queer, and fag" instead, as your demeanor tells me that is more likely to happen. :(

What started out as amusing in the 70s became a heavy-handed plot point in Super Neon BSG. Its it's attempt to feign "heavy" issues by adding nonsense religious crap to a thinly veiled show.

I stated this previously: "Robots having sex, robots having abortions, robots arguing about religion are not clever issues and the discussion adds nothing to any of these topics - they're the same cheap, easy, common issues that every sagging drama in the universe brings out for sweeps. But here they're *in space*, so they're brilliant and subtle and clever!"

Not from whom, from the show. Theres nothing interesting or new or fresh. It's the same house with new paint slapped on. People were sold the same nonsense with Firefly - is anyone else aware that River Tam is the most horribly overt peice of exposition put to sci-fi television? - but the fact of the matter is that everything BSG tackles has been covered in 90210. In fact, 90210 is more accessible because we have never lived on a space station or met humanoid robots. But because the show has humanoid robots having sex with people and space abortions and big explosions, it's suddenly a MAJOR INTELLECTUAL EVENT when it isn't.

Again, an earlier statement of mine: "Like all these things, Battlestar Galactica is about as subtle as a tonne of bricks... even in a literal sense, the characters are by no means the "complex" objects marketing would like you to insist to everyone -- Captain Adama and Girl President always make up eventually, tough woman fighter pilot and pretty boy fighter pilot will always be the heroes in the end, evil drunk XO never will be (unless they decide to kill him, when he'll go out in an equally generic blaze of glory that makes us all *think*!)."

I disagree. We don't need sex in sci-fi, per se. We went without it for years and years and years. The fact that they're putting it in so readily now is just a cheap selling point to bring in viewers and to give nerds a hardon for nerd sci-fi actresses. See, we as a generation have fucked ourselves into a ground with this crap. It use to be that we enjoyed Star Wars as a kid because of its effects and its adventure while our parents could appreciate it as something more than that. Now that we're older, we need to be coddled into being reminded that now that we're adults - sex! drugs! robot abortions! We're ruining the genre by making it all about selling points and nothing about plot. We're watching "Gone In 60 Seconds" when we should be renting "Bullit".

Been done MANY, MANY time before by MANY, MANY better writers. Off the top of my head, I can think of the original Outer Limits doing an Adam Link episode in Season 2. That predates this crap by, what, about 40 years?

The idea of robots do not bother me.

The idea of robots having sex and killing babies and attacking stations for no reasonable explaination bothers me. You realize - they could've sold this series without it being a slap-dash sequel to the original BSG, right? It could've been called "Station 3232" or "Attack Force 4L" or "Whats Happenin'? The Next Generation" and it would've sold.

I also watch the show so I know what I'm talking about. I don't jump into arguements without knowing something about the subject, just like I don't go hunting without a rifle.



As opposed to you - who makes no clear or discernable arguement, point, counterpoint, thought, idea, inkling or theory about anything in this thread? You basicly just take your time to say "no, you're wrong" and leave it at that. That shit doesn't work on me - you're just making yourself seem more of an ass. RoboJesus and one of the mods already pointed that out.


I do not watch Lost. So I do not make posts in threads dealing with Lost.

You want to like BSG? Thats fine - ain't my problem. I like stuff that other people hate. But I don't put on airs and say its important or intelligent or brilliant. If that show adds something to how you think, you're uneducated - and I mean that in the most lowly sense of the word. The day television teaches you something, I want you to shoot yourself.


I hate the show. But then, I also hate George Bush - but that does not stop me from watching the news, does it? I need to know what he's doing in order to have a right to complain - as opposed to college students or antiwar protesters.

You've only proven my point. BSG is loaded down with morons who cannot come to a clear concise point of defense in which to bolster themselves on.

Thanks man! I like most of the music in this serie. I also liked the music they played when adama was going to stage that assasination on that Pegasus bitch(and she on him).

That's why the season finale is a two-part episode. ;-)

I liked a lot of the music from Season 2 as well. I can't wait for this season's soundtrack to be released. I can't pinpoint the scenes which had music I like, I just remember often stating, "That's cool."