It's a shame the journals aren't up, you could put that stuff in an entry with, like, a link in a signature somewhere saying something like "an education on seditious libel" so people can read it voluntarily. Nice gig though, you got me good.

I think I'm too lazy for a journal, so it's just easier to bait people and then make them look silly after relating numerous examples. Plus, I'm no lawyer... or historian for that matter.

I didn't really expect anyone who hasn't had a good "history of Western Civilization" and/or a couple college level classes on law to really understand it anyway. Most people have misconceptions about freedom of speech.

Ok, a little advice I may impart. For a really big payoff, I would wait until someone who is actually trying to counter your point bites. Also, that way anyone who's just attempting to point out some logical shortfallings doesn't have to waste their time on someone feigning ignorance and playing games for whatever reason.

This is kinda off topic but here goes.

I think the journal idea would probably be better. Something I'll consider. But I digress, since pretty much everyone who read the first post of this thread agreed that this was small-minded bigotry, if anyone; namely me were to come out and say "I don't think there's anything legally wrong with this..." I'd be denounced as a bigot or maybe even anti-arab nazi. Which clearly I am not. The point is, nobody would take the time to get to my true legal standpoint. Where as here at least one person got it. Probably more. And hey a little humility never hurt anybody with all these European-American rivalries/tensions going on right?


Then do accept my apologies for that. But regardless I would've dealt with your outrage, and your indinity either way. Instead of dealing with it all at once and from everybody (with the "I don't think there's anything legally wrong with this" comment) I chose to single somebody out, and hope everyone got my point without all the outrage.

Stop acting like a goddamn queen. This is Political Palace, not some dance floor at the student center.

Great diplomacy skills Brady! Used less words then I did. But I bet mine went over better.

Why didn't you make the point straight away? Why did you feel somebody had to lead you there? You know this thread has been sullied slightly because of your inablity to air your view point in the normal course of debate? But if Bradylama tells me trawling is commonplace over a straight laying down of opinions, then I've got it all wrong, for which you should excuse me.

You want to know what I hate? I hate people using the word Nazi and not knowing what it fucking means. Nazi was a german abreviation for National Socialist.

It's more of a 'journey of self-discovery' that way. I don't like preaching. Plus it was kinda fun; "You Europeans started it the moment you acted all superior to Americans!" and likewise.

Mmm okay. It could've also been sullied by the general ignorance about common law regarding freedom of speech that's older then 100 years? But I guess I'll take the blame for sullying the thread.

I'll leave it to Brady to explain himself, but I think he was just saying you were overreacting over nothing. If a moderator had a problem with what I did, they'd inform me.

Regardless I've made my point. So I'm done with this thread.

As I say though, at least wait until someone who proves they need the journey comes along, before smugly showing your hand. It still stands that I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with your standpoint concerning the issue of free speech or whatever, and my original interjection into the topic was based on your application of view, rather than content (which you kept hidden anyway).

That'll be ignorance about something that wasn't part of the equation when I made my first post, then.

I'm just in favour of straightforward debate rather than pussyfooting around. If you've got something to say on an issue, especially something which you think will educate, come out and share it, there's no need for muddying up a discussion with these games and provocative one liners before hand. I'd call it more 'reacting' than 'overreacting' to want things more clear cut.

You got there in the end huh?

Acting as if you're not affected by a quip or otherwise is just a waste of space. Clearly you would be, because you've taken the time to expunge on how unaffected you are.

Watts is being kind of an asshole by sounding full of himself, but that isn't particularly wrong, and neither is stringing somebody along to help prove a point. That's a part of discussion.

Now stop this cat fight and act like big boys.

You're so damn right!

The European Union is actually a great concept, but it's being run by incompetent fools.

Geez, we can't even agree on a common policy on terrorism.

And because they want to get many new members as fast as possible. Letting Poland, Hungary, the former CSSR etc joining in was in my opinion not a good idea.

Where did I do that?

Would you say then, that Watts' discussion methods have moved this thread in a positive direction?

This is pretty ridiculous. Anyone who consents to this is up to be laughed at.

In fact, it's pretty much a given (and important) that they would be members of the EU at some point in time, but I agree that some steps were just taken way too fast here.

To get back on topic, the joining of new countries at this pace doesn't really help with the integration of foreigners, either.

Speaking the lokal language is also important for integration.
In Germany the politicians are now debating if they should forbid alien students to talk in their mother language in scool. They say, that the students from Turkey, Greece, former Yugoslavia and so on have problems with the German language.

Well I don't know if this really helps people to integrate themselves, I know e.g. from some Turks that some of them don't want to learn German.

If they don't want to learn German, why are they going to German schools filled with German students and German teachers in Germany?:confused:

German universities still have a good reputation in other countries as well, you know. Some just get a student visa and return to their home countries after finishing their studies. Most of them still go through the hassles of actually learning German.

Seeing how more and more studying programs are offered in English or other foreign languages almost eliminates the need for it, though.

Same reason why there's so many azn grad students here that barely speak English even after living here for four years. They don't have a desire to learn the language, don't want to stay here when they finish, and there's enough of their friends that they can stick together and get through most things.

It doesn't bother me a whole lot except when I have to try and deal with them since they'll start yelling at me like it's my fault for not knowing Chinese/Korean/Japanese/whatever. =\