I know it sucks, so why should they do something similar to it?

Just because there's a lot of shit 3d medieval fighters about, doesn't mean they shouldn't have made Soul Calibur 3. I hardly think that setting the game in a comedy version of London will make the game in any way similar to the Getaway...

Still, Rockstar is usually about being new and innovative, so I still doubt they'll set it any kind of version of London. Just because one is serious and one is comedy doesn't mean there would be that big a difference in the city itself. The only main difference would be that one version is a realistic, brick by brick recreation of London, and the other would be a "London-like" city that is similar but not exactly the same.

But this is all speculation on everyone's part, of course. You did give pretty good logic on why it could be set in London, though.

I felt VC was much more Scarface than Miami Vice.

I agree. I really didn't enjoy the whole rags-to-riches gang thing they had going on.

Rumour has it that that the team behind the game is "looking beyond the US for the setting of the next title, with Europe being a strong contender."

So it looks like London, or even Japan could be the setting for the game. Both of which would make good environments to use.

Agreed, both scenarios would be fun. And regardless how they mishandled the Hot Coffee situation, Rockstar got no shortage of good humor when it comes to their actual games.

lets talk about who u want the main playable character to be in this game...
...personally i want tommy vercetti back as the playable character cuz he was a typical bad guy with more attitude than the number of people he killed.

Why would you want to play as Tommy again. He is already King, and still living good (as we head in SA). So if we played him again he had to be old or extremly young. It would be better to make a new guy as always.

It will be someone completely new. There might be a few cameos from old characters but like Zip said, there's no reason for Tommy to give up being king Vice city. Rockstar are all about innovation so to reuse an old character would be a step backwards.

Thus speaks someone who never saw much Miami Vice and didn't twig why they called it Vice City.

I'm sort of hoping Grand Theft Auto 4 is going to take place in a beat up city like in GTA 3, except that you can do more than you did in GTA 3, Vice City, and San Andreas.

I never saw Miami Vice myself, so I can't really compare it to Vice City other than I know the dude from Miami Vice had a black partner who Lance Vance was probably modeled after. But there is no denying that Vice City is HEAVILY influenced on Scarface. Even if you base it on plot alone "criminal gets out of jail goes to Miami, and has nothing, but gets into the life of crime again and works his way up the ranks to become king of the city". And there are so many Scarface references in that game it's hard to even count. GTA3 even took things from Scarface.

I think the reason they chose the name "Vice City" has less to do to with that they wanted to name it after Miami Vice because it was similar, I think it has more to do with the fact that they wanted the game set in Miami(probably IMO because they used some ideas in GTA3 and wanted to make a Scarface-like game), but didn't want to call the game GTA Miami. So they had to find another name for Miami and if you think "Miami", nothing in paticular really comes to mind, but if you think of the word "Vice", you think "Miami Vice", hence why they called the game "Vice City", because people would quickly realize the game is set in Miami.

if not tommy himself then maybe his son, the heir to vice city's throne?
something like that....

I think the next GTA should be set in Hong Kong (lol) and that's actually a good idea, lots of trade, corrupt goverment affairs, and da Triads, etc.

The suit with the rolled up sleeves costume is straight from Miami Vice, the black partner, at least half the cutscenes, the time frame, the fact that the tune "Crockett's theme" on the soundtrack (On Emotion) was from Miami Vice. Seriously, watch even one episode of Miami Vice and you'll see it. Sure there's some Scarface influences but only a few. There's influences in there from pretty much every Mafia film going.


Why do some people find it so hard to embrace new ideas? If they made a new GTA game using an old character or the "Son of an old character" it would be exactly the same as the old ones. If you wan't more mafia action, go buy Liberty City Stories.

Also, I'll be fucking surprised if the new game isn't set in the 60s or 70s. Rockstar are huge fans of obscure cultural references and cult tv and movie stuff and the wealth of source material is so much greater for a 60s or 70s game rather than a modern thing that would be nothing special or different from a bunch of other games.

Which again lends itself to London as there was a huge gangster scene in London in the 60s and 70s and a load of awesome films made on the subject, the Italian Job and Get Carter to name but two really obvious ones.

You can also argue that on costumes that the Hawaii shirt(Tommy's main costume) is from Scarface. Scarface is also the same timeframe. They probably didn't use any songs from Scarface in Vice City because alot of the soundtrack from Scarface was already used in GTA 3 to make a entire radio station. (Flashback FM).

Just look at this website that shows a few major comparisons...
http://www.gamechronicles.com/featur...rface/body.htm

I couldn't find any sites on Miami Vice references except that the cops in Vice City where Pastel uniforms like in Miami Vice.

Like I said, I never saw Miami Vice, so really the only thing that I can fully agree with is the black partner, and I am sure they use other Miami Vice references, but I have an extremely hard time believing that "at least half of the cutscenes" are from Miami Vice... Considering Miami Vice is about a bunch of cops, it doesn't seem likely that cops are doing the types of things Tommy Vercetti does in "half" the cutscenes.

I was hoping for a new setting and being able to travel to LC, VC, and SA at will. Basically expanding on that one mission in SA when Carl flew to LC. However, given that we'll see a simultaneous 360 release, that obviously won't happen. :(

First of all Enter User Name that website you posted is pretty stupid. "Hey Vice City has a Miami backdrop which was taken right from Scarface!" Think about that for a second.

"Hey our hero works his way up the criminal ladder! Just like Tony!"... um that's the premise for every GTA game, and a shitload of other random videogames and movies.

I'll give you that the mansion IS the Scarface mansion, and even the 'last fight' is ripped right out of Scarface. The rest of it is ambiguous gangster tomfoolery.

About 10% of Miami Vice episodes had club scenes, that doesn't help the arguement. Game that has trendy 80's references vs. TV show that embraced (and defined) 80's trendienes vs. Movie that had a club scene. I'm not belittling Scarface, seeing as how we're just talking about some generic Miami Club giving the nod to one over the other is silly.

Songs from the Scarface soundtrack? That's reaching. Those were just POPULAR SONGS FROM THE 80'S that the makers of Scarface used for it's soundtrack. If you did know about Miami Vice you'd know that pop music was a huge part of the show, and going off of memory I think several of the songs on the Vice City soundtrack were in the show.

As someone who's seen Scarface and is a Miami Vice fan I have to agree with Shin here. Anything that's in VC that was in Scarface (other than the mansion) is just par for the course. But the behaviors of the characters, the senarios all ooze Miami Vice. Hell when you get 3 (or is it 4) wanted stars two cops one in a sports car one white and one black, one with a pistol the other with a shotgun come out to hunt you down.

Then there's the Cigarrette boat race straight out of an episode form season 2 of Miami Vice (and the intro for that matter).

And the packages you have to pick up? THAT STATUE is from an episode of Miami Vice where these two teenagers were trafficing drugs from Columbia.

I wouldnt mind seeing a Create a Character type thing in the new one. I expected that in GTA: SA but meh.

It's a nice idea but it would mean no more voice acting for the main character which I think would detract from the story rather. It'd sound a little odd if they had Dexter Fletcher provide the voice of the main character and you customised them to look like a fat, black woman...

create a character would be not so gta like cuz gta is known for its "a guy trying to get his name up in the gangs of certain cities by any means neccessary" thing, so having a create a character would be kind of like a sequel to that godfather game.

Plus, if you do make your own character, they'd have to record audio for every type of personality. What is that, like 7x the audio?

This is the only game so far that really makes want to get a PS3. I really wish they could come up with some really Replay Value on it. It's hard to me to get again back into San Andreas. An online virtual world seems clearly the way to go.

Truth. It was GTAIII that had a radio station that played the music from Scarface (Flashback FM).

I dunno about replay value. It takes long enough to get through the last couple of GTA games once, let alone finding all the hidden packages etc. I do have rather a short attention span compared to a lot of members here though.

Whilst online would be cool, I imagine it would be pretty unplayable. Look at the carnage one person can cause in the normal game when tooled up with machine guns and rocket launchers and so on. Now imagine if there were 20 people online at the same time with that kind of kit, it's be like playing with the riot cheat enabled, you'd struggle to last more than a few minutes probably and doing anything meaningful would be frustrating at best.

the replay value will be just fine, people really have a hard time finishing the story of the game as it is, im sure rockstar will add tons of side missions in this one mybe with cutscenes as well so it still feels like you are in some kind of plot after the main one.