Congratulations, point missed. I'm not talking in a morally superior way, I've been recognising that the decisions aren't always easily made, and that despite me disagreeing with the pricing decision someone up high has made, I want to a) support a really good developer who I'd like to see keep making games, and b) actually really want the game so am willing to pay the jacked up price. Just because I can afford to pay it, and am willing to, doesn't mean I have to agree with it though, and I can remember when I was a poor student and that would have made the game almost unattainable.

I'm not the one coming along and saying we should just flat out never buy games if we have some objection to some part of them, like pricing, which tries to box things into some nice black and white world of morality. But you know Cirno, don't let the actual words stop you from missing an opportunity to try post a funny picture.

At the risk of sounding patronising here, you're saying that MW2 is one of the most anticipated games since the parting of the Red Sea but at the same time saying that it's a rip-off.

Do you not see the basic hole in your arguement here?

I mean, if I had produced a really popular game and I was going to release a sequel that would sell hundreds of copies on launch day just from the name alone, you know what, I'd charge a fucking fortune for it too. By saying you're going to buy it, you're saying that although it's expensive, you've already judged it to be a price worth paying.

You make a concious decision every time you buy a game. You weigh up the price against a number of factors, probably how long you'll play it for and who you can play it with. In your case, you want to play it as soon as possible and against the maximum number of people online so you're willing to pay a premium for the game. If you just wanted to play the single player campaign or weren't bothered about joining the launch day rush then you could buy it later, cheaper.

One of the reasons that these days popular games don't drop so much in price is that people are still playing them online. A less popular game falls in price quicker because the number of online opponents falls so there is less value in the game.

Essentially, you can't complain about the price of games if you buy them on launch day, you simply can't. You can beleive that games companies produce games because they love playing them or out of loyalty to the fans or to create art for art's sake if you want but you're simply deluding yourself. They are out to make money, simple as that and they have been ever since people started paying for games (Rather than copying out 25 pages of BASIC from the bag of a magazine like in the good old days). It's really simple economics but a lot of people, not just Omagnus are acting surprised that companies that want to make money will charge a premium for popular products.

If you think MW2 is too highly priced, wait until Christmas to get it when the price will have dropped a bit. The game will still be the same and there'll still be people playing it online.

Games are actually hilariously cheap these days anyway. I remember paying £60 for Killer Instinct on SNES and that was a good 14 years ago. I never bought so many games as when I was a student either.

This whole discussion is basically retarded. If you think something's too pricey, buy it a few months later when the price comes down or don't buy it at all. That's all there is to it, I fail to see how any other course of action can be supported.

Well I'm paying £18 for the Limited Edition of Modern Warfare 2, so no, I don't really consider that to be all that pricey. And at no point am I saying it's surprising. I'm also not saying it's a rip-off. I'm saying that I don't agree with the price hike just in the UK and that if I wasn't fortunate enough to be in a pretty well paid job it would suck a massive one and I would be forced to wait until the price dropped.

And I do indeed follow the exact course of action you describe Shin: if I don't believe something is worth the money, I don't pay it, simple as. I either wait for it to drop in price or never bother at all. Which is exactly what I'm saying about the Avatar Marketplace stuff, which I will never be buying because I don't believe (personally) any of it is worth the money. It's exactly why I'm not even contimplating DJ Hero, which has looked interesting and for £70-80 I might have been willing to give a go, but at £110, not a chance.

I'm doing exactly what you're saying here Shin, I'm buying the things I consider worth my money. Voicing an opinion isn't acting surprised or failing to understand that companies are out to make money.

I am seriously hoping that they can somehow make it happen in the regular party window in the near future, because an 8 man BRING IT ON troop in someones friends list is bound to be the most bizarre shit anyone will see on Live.

I am this close to buying them because it's that damn funny. I mean they're only what, 160MSP? I don't give a fuck.

The Xbox 360 is officially the most fabulous console ever.

I am also sad you folks are trying to talk Lord British out of buying MW2 and cheering on Activision, because playing MW2 without Lord Sucks-A-Dick is like playing Halo 3 without rollin on dubs. It's just not happening.

Fuck, I'll buy that shit for OP if I have to.

Yep, I'm paraphrasing to take a cheap shot, sue me

You're still wrong though Shin. Notice how I said "as far as I'm concerned at least, be free". That means that, in my opinion, those things should be free. I don't believe, personally, that people should have to pay for them. That, however, is divorced from my understanding that companies want to make money and will therefore charge for stuff they could happily give away free for no real loss.

But fear not Shin, you win, I fail, whatever. I'll just take solace in knowing that I can tell the difference between a statement of opinion and fact.

So you missed the bit at the bottom where I acknowledged the fallacy of my post as I made it then?

Yes I did, as on this screen that is a little one pixel high line just above your signature.

Honestly I thought they already had. I just don't care to look, since I'm perfectly happy with a basic avatar that mostly resembles me. They can introduce all the customisation they like, I doubt I'd ever want to pay for any of it or even take it for free.

:)

That's the best way to do a disclaimer.

So, we're SURPRISED . . . that DJ Hero's gonna cost a good bit, what with having a special peripheral? What game with a game specific peripheral DIDN'T cost 20-?? bucks more (STELL BATTALION I'M LOOKING AT YOU) than your average game?

I'd hope the table was heftier than a guitar or that Beatmania controller that came when they released the home edition in the US.


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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ontrollers.jpg

I wanted that game SO BAD, if only for the stupid controller.

It's fantastic, by the way. But you knew that.

Also, no one was surprised.

Can no one read anymore or is this whole showing up in a thread and not paying attention a week late just a wivvle thing these days?

Man, Street Fighter II Turbo was fucking expensive!

I bought the Guitar Prop just because I wanted to have a prop and I didn't think anything else they had would fit my avatar. But seriously WTF? A lightsaber that does nothing costs the same as making Darth Vader playable in Soul Calibur IV? That's kinda retarded.

I wish they'd make an adapter to use the Steel Battalion "controller" with the 360 and maybe release a revamped version of the game on XBL. My SB has been sitting in a box for 3 years.


I know, I have a better chance of wishing for world peace, regular flights to the moon, and $100 million and it coming true than this happening.


But really, would anything else in the world rock harder than playing Steel Battalion in HD in front of a 46+" Samsung? Besides piloting an actual mech, of course.

There are PC drivers. Use those.

I'm not really sure how this is an issue of drivers when I'm talking about a) the ports on X-Box controllers not being USB, b) wanting a new/remade SB game in High Def, and c) playing on 360, not PC.

Uh, obviously.

But since you're pipe dreaming and wishing for something that isn't going to come along, I'm offering the next best alternative. Something that actually exists.

You want a good mech game? Mech 4 is free now. The SB controller will work with it. Original Xbox to USB convertors are dirt fucking cheap. It's not the most gorgeous game but you can easily output it to your TV.

"I want a golden toilet wouldn't that be awesome"
"Well here's how you can poop in a regular one and still have a good time"
"THIS DOES NOT HELP MY GOLD DREAMS"

Don't be a twatrocket.

Alright, and you didn't just say that the first time, why? I mean, if I were a little bit psychic "PC Drivers" might stand as an in-depth answer, but otherwise it just seems completely out of context.

No, it's more that I didn't care about the back and forth between Shin and Omagnus so I went back to the part of the conversation just beforehand where (you) were bitching about the "overpriced widget."

Steel Battalion is (was) overpriced, sure, but compared to the premium they're charging for DJ Hero, what you got for that stupid price seemed like a much easier pill to swallow. Or the extra 30 dollars for Ride when it's essentially the same thing as Wii Fit's balance board.

Extra single (or maybe two, if you're lucky) use peripherals always cost a shit tonne more, but my point is that charging an even larger premium than usual, saturating the damn market, in a recession of all things, and then expecting it all to sell a fuckload seems a tad bit shortsighted.

Who knows, maybe I'll eat my hat. But I don't expect all that from this.

Not like Harmonix is doing better with the RB:Beatles price point of 250 dollars, of course. What the hell.

And even if you directly responded to my overpriced widget commentary, you still didn't read what was being said, but that's cool too.

Like I mentioned earlier, I hope that the deck is going to be somewhat substantial (the Guitar Hero guitars are at about a 1:2 scale to MOST electrics, especially the ones they're emulating physically; judging by pics I've seen the DJ Hero set seems to be possibly 1:1.5 scaled... at least the platter. I dunno about the rest of it.)

If the size/action of it is reasonable, I don't see a huge issue with the price, since I figure it'll be good for future iterations of the product.

I think the DJ deck is a comparable size to a cd mixer and who actually mixes vinyl anymore? Shit, to be a really accurate depiction of djing they need an option where you pre-load your setlist onto a laptop then stand behind the decks pretending to mix and doing lines of coke all night (Sup Lilly Allen, Peaches Geldof, Pretty much every indie band member who's played a dj set in the last five years?).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE7CXZ1Lyu4

excuse me? do you see the fucking work that is going on there?