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Early Buzz: James Cameron's 'Avatar' - Cinematical
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How about we don't post a giant block of Twitter posts about the movie because Twitter fucking sucks. Thanks.
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How about you shut you mouth nub.
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How about you act like you're older than 13 by not calling me a nub.
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How about you direct your attention to your prior post, nub.
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You have found a way of being mean to Mo0 that GFF disapproves of.
That's hard to do. |
I sense a flamewar going on around here....
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The fact that the early press/fan screenings of Avatar are producing a resounding: "OMG AMAZINGS!" isn't really all that shocking, is it? That's what you get for picking and choosing your audience. I don't care how amazing the CG/3D looks, if the story isn't good then it's still going to be a crap film.
That said, I'm still probably going to see it to see what all the buzz is about...*sigh* I'm such a fool. |
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At another place I post at, there's been mixed reactions regarding James Horner's score - half the people there are saying it's great, the other half, not so much. The interesting thing is that Cameron specifically requested that Horner focus his time only towards Avatar and nothing else during production, so essentially he spent an entire year on the set and coming up with/writing/recording the score. Basil Poledouris was under similar conditions for Conan the Barbarian, and while I don't expect Horner's music to be anywhere near close to the same caliber as Conan, I'm hoping that Horner's music will at the least be enjoyable. Not to mention the CD is supposed to be out in stores as of today; I'm refraining from picking it up for now in the hopes of receiving it as a Christmas gift. The first two Terminator movies were excellent. True Lies is a lot of fun, both comedy and action wise, albeit a number of plot inconsistencies and nonsense (but that's typical of a Schwarzenegger film). I feel that Titanic could have been shortened a bit further down to, say, two hours as opposed to three, but it's a bit on the average side. I hope Cameron had enough of a break to make something worthwhile out of Avatar. |
Well Horner seems to be get a lot of flak from what I hear, due to alleged reuse of earlier classical themes and his own stuff. I can't back that up since I don't go through his repertoire or anything, nor listen to enough classical. Off the top of my head, all I remember listening to is Titanic, Braveheart, A Beautiful Mind and Apocalypto. All of which were extremely memorable besides Apocalypto (however Apoc worked great during the film).
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"A good composer does not imitate; he steals." - Igor Stravinsky
Those allegations are correct, and while I'm not much into super old classical myself, the evidence of plagiarism of Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf is clearly evident in Horner's The Land Before Time. If I remember right, he was influenced by classical music. Apocalypto is a terrible score (haven't seen the film), and Titanic is so-so. You ought to check out his 1980s material, when he was at his prime. More recently, Intrada Records started releasing a bunch of his older scores as limited editions, such as Something Wicked This Way Comes, The Journey of Natty Gann, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids and House of Cards. It's all great stuff. |
I saw it, it's pretty good. 3D wasn't great because I was sitting at the front of the thatre though, guess it isn't as effective when viewed at such an angle.
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Yeah, it was largely and overwhelmingly okay and little more. Just like I expected.
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Just got back from it. Felt like Ferngully, with 1.21 Jiggawatts being pumped through it. Story is incredibly plain, about what I expected -- really blatant, too. Like Titanic, it does what it needs to scrape by.
Jesus, the CGI, though... I caught myself open-mouthed more than once. It was my first modern 3D film which might have something to do with it, but boy is this an incredible film to *look* at. |
Yeah I saw it in 3d, not imax just regular 3d, but I've never seen anything like it before. Fantastic all around even if the story is nothing new. It doesn't really have to be with everything going on around it, and the fact that retelling of stories is bound to happen more and more as we move forward.
Horners score was pretty good, but I am not sure it topped his oscar titanic win or Braveheart. However, I haven't listened to the soundtrack yet, so that may change. Frankly, it just boggles my mind when I think about what they had to do to get this 160 minute movie out. Oh and how about that next in line chief kicking fucking ass in the ship where the explosives were :rock: |
BZ swears by this film. That tells you all you need to know right there. I also don't get where this mindblowing aspect is coming from. I was more blown away by Jurassic Park than I was by this. The IMAX 3D is impressive, sure, but nothing really beyond this. Hype machine breeds fans, though, I guess.
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My down and dirty comments:
The animation and amount of detail was astounding. The story was good even though the allegations of Dances With Wolves + aliens hits pretty close to home. The movie, for all the hype, was quite traditional as movie-making goes (see above), which seems to be everybody's beef with it, I guess? What some people seem to be avoiding is the fact that the movie continually juggles the love story, the marine's renewal, the Na'vi culture, and the wider conservationism vs. rapid expansion plotline without hitting a false note. The animation and amount of detail was astounding. Although we haven't reached the point of being able to do full CG humans yet without looking odd, the Na'vi blow clear past the uncanny valley without slowing down. It is a landmark by any standard, even if all the talk about Cameron "creating a new genre" is just pap. |
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No doubt. But I have to admit, this particular bullshit is why I hated Last Samurai as much as I did, and why I just can't stomach Dances With Wolves. Just that whole white guy walks into an ethnic place and shows them how shit gets -done- story is hard to swallow.
Except I love Dune, so what the fuck do I know outside hypocrisy? Still didn't much love Avatar, though. |
The main difference is that Dune's super whitey isn't TOM CRUISE or Kevin Costner (who is completely useless sans gills anyway).
I should get a chance to see this by the end of the week, but I'm certainly not expecting much. WE SHALL SEE. |
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Still though, it's an unavoidable part of making a movie about (and therefore placing focus on) any particular white person. Some story specific spoilers and :words: Spoiler:
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Avatar is the exact same thing, except with mechs. It was a fun time, shit blew up and the 3D effects were great. Is it the movie to end all movies? Nah. I would say this is basically just another Abyss for Cameron, where its just something thats *good* instead of the rungs of the ladder it tries to grab and misses. Then again, I'd say the same about Titanic. |
Overall, Avatar was a good popcorn movie, albeit I felt it was a bit long. The story, as is often stated, is nowhere near original. I also found
I'm curious about one thing though. He didn't seem to be Judging by all the universal praise Avatar's getting for visuals and world-building, I guess I should have watched it in 3D. A pity. |
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