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Grundlefield Earth Dec 10, 2009 07:17 PM

Early Buzz: James Cameron's 'Avatar' - Cinematical

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While the official Avatar Day took place back in August, the unofficial Avatar Day is today, as critics from across the country (and in London) will be seeing James Cameron's Avatar for the first time, one week before its official debut. As I write this, the film's premiere is getting underway in London and the first press screenings are letting out. The London critics had to sign a piece of paper promising not to review the film until Monday, but with so many screenings here in the states, it's a bit sketchy as to what precautions are being taken here. Needless to say, reactions are beginning to pour onto the web. Will Avatar really change the way we watch movies? Let's take a look ...

"... the terrible film that some had been anticipating had not materialised. It was good ... There is, though, a certain amount of suspension of disbelief needed when watching Avatar. Cynics might sneer at the plot ... There is more shock and awe in this movie than almost any other." - The Guardian

"Everything feels real. It's as if Cameron has happened upon this alien world and got his camera out ... It is overwhelming, and that is because you are emotionally tied up in the characters and the story ... James Cameron has described his new filming process as "emotion capture". And it's a boast he lives up to." -- The Sun

One critic who wished to remain anonymous for now: "Was not as thrilled by Avatar as my colleagues; eye-popping visuals, but story is Dances w/Wolves + District 9; I preferred District 9."

From Twitter:

@petershall: "The AVATAR buzz is an understatement. That movie was unbelievable."

@dmann11: "Holy effing crap!!! Avatar was FREAKING AWESOME KICK ASS SWEET!!!!!"

@TheGate: "For the record 'Avatar' was worth the $400 million, and no it is not even remotely "vomit inducing".

@gholson: "Spectacular. A visual feast and the new benchmark in cinematic world building."

@chasewhale: "Just finished AVATAR. Special effects were top notch. The movie ran a little long for my likings but I liked it!"

@comingsoonnet" "Okay, about Avatar?.... WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW! Unbelievable... amazing."

@MikePereira21: Was blown away by Avatar! For 150 minutes, I was a kid again. Thank you James Cameron! BTW, the groundbreaking 3D was mindblowing."

@rejects: "I'm not supposed to talk about Avatar... That said, it was a spectacular experience. Like nothing I've seen before."

More after the jump ...

@markwalters74: "Just saw AVATAR. Not allowed to talk about it yet. Not allowed to say how it's an amazing visual feast, or that Jimmy C's still got the gift."

@massawyrm: "So I just got back from a movie. It was pretty great...if by pretty great I mean OMFGHOLYF**KINGSH*TOMGOMGOMG. Because that's what it was ... Oh, and if I hear one more "Dances with Wolves" joke I'm gonna throw up in my mouth. Has no one seen DUNE? Because this was DUNE. In a good way ...You have officially been to your last Con in which blue people, spoken Navi and the word "hometree" were absent."

@firstshowing: James Cameron is a freakin' genius! I can't say much but wow, I loved it. #Avatar was phenomenal, pretty much blew me away

@DrewAtHitFix: I think the most accurate way to say it would be OMFGOMFGOMFG. Or words that effect. #avatar

@EDouglasWW: I'll take my chances with Fox legal.... Avatar was amazing, I loved it!

@rejects It's impossible to say that something is a "gamechanger" or that it will "redefine" movies. But I can say that I've seen something I've never seen before. And that I've seen something that shows the potential for the craft of filmmaking in this new century.

@sizemore So *that* was James Cameron's AVATAR. Holy f**king f**k.

@JonTT Avatar = outstanding. Really. Truly. See it. Soon.

@slashfilm I'm not allowed to say anythng about what I thought of Avatar, but saw it in a screening room with neill blomkamp, who didn't sign an NDA. He loved it... I will say this, it's hard to disagree with Neil :)

@LarsenOnFilm First Impression: Avatar. Stronger story than I expected, amazing visuals. Still no need for 3-D though. Full review next week.

@simonpegg Avatar ........................ tweetless. Just tweetless in the best possible way.

@johndollin Such a small word to describe a huge film 'EPIC', I entered a dream and didn't want to return. 3D just made it all the more real.
First impressions look very very amazing.

value tart Dec 10, 2009 07:19 PM

How about we don't post a giant block of Twitter posts about the movie because Twitter fucking sucks. Thanks.

Grundlefield Earth Dec 10, 2009 07:19 PM

How about you shut you mouth nub.

value tart Dec 10, 2009 07:21 PM

How about you act like you're older than 13 by not calling me a nub.

Grundlefield Earth Dec 10, 2009 07:26 PM

How about you direct your attention to your prior post, nub.

The unmovable stubborn Dec 10, 2009 08:13 PM

You have found a way of being mean to Mo0 that GFF disapproves of.

That's hard to do.

The Wise Vivi Dec 10, 2009 08:21 PM

I sense a flamewar going on around here....

No. Hard Pass. Dec 10, 2009 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wise Vivi (Post 736894)
I sense a flamewar going on around here....

Not really a flamewar, Vivi. More like two bic lighters rubbing up each other in a very gay manner.

Timberwolf8889 Dec 11, 2009 07:19 AM

The fact that the early press/fan screenings of Avatar are producing a resounding: "OMG AMAZINGS!" isn't really all that shocking, is it? That's what you get for picking and choosing your audience. I don't care how amazing the CG/3D looks, if the story isn't good then it's still going to be a crap film.

That said, I'm still probably going to see it to see what all the buzz is about...*sigh* I'm such a fool.

Basil Dec 15, 2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf8889 (Post 736973)
The fact that the early press/fan screenings of Avatar are producing a resounding: "OMG AMAZINGS!" isn't really all that shocking, is it? That's what you get for picking and choosing your audience. I don't care how amazing the CG/3D looks, if the story isn't good then it's still going to be a crap film.

That said, I'm still probably going to see it to see what all the buzz is about...*sigh* I'm such a fool.

Same here. I'm not too tremendously excited and hyped up to see Avatar, though I understand it's Cameron's first foray into a major movie since Titanic (and between then and now all he's ever done is documentaries about the ship). I'll go and see it, but likely not until it hits the inexpensive theater here, so that I'll pay $4 for it rather than $10.

At another place I post at, there's been mixed reactions regarding James Horner's score - half the people there are saying it's great, the other half, not so much. The interesting thing is that Cameron specifically requested that Horner focus his time only towards Avatar and nothing else during production, so essentially he spent an entire year on the set and coming up with/writing/recording the score. Basil Poledouris was under similar conditions for Conan the Barbarian, and while I don't expect Horner's music to be anywhere near close to the same caliber as Conan, I'm hoping that Horner's music will at the least be enjoyable. Not to mention the CD is supposed to be out in stores as of today; I'm refraining from picking it up for now in the hopes of receiving it as a Christmas gift.

The first two Terminator movies were excellent. True Lies is a lot of fun, both comedy and action wise, albeit a number of plot inconsistencies and nonsense (but that's typical of a Schwarzenegger film). I feel that Titanic could have been shortened a bit further down to, say, two hours as opposed to three, but it's a bit on the average side. I hope Cameron had enough of a break to make something worthwhile out of Avatar.

Grundlefield Earth Dec 15, 2009 06:27 PM

Well Horner seems to be get a lot of flak from what I hear, due to alleged reuse of earlier classical themes and his own stuff. I can't back that up since I don't go through his repertoire or anything, nor listen to enough classical. Off the top of my head, all I remember listening to is Titanic, Braveheart, A Beautiful Mind and Apocalypto. All of which were extremely memorable besides Apocalypto (however Apoc worked great during the film).

Basil Dec 15, 2009 09:03 PM

"A good composer does not imitate; he steals." - Igor Stravinsky

Those allegations are correct, and while I'm not much into super old classical myself, the evidence of plagiarism of Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf is clearly evident in Horner's The Land Before Time. If I remember right, he was influenced by classical music.

Apocalypto is a terrible score (haven't seen the film), and Titanic is so-so. You ought to check out his 1980s material, when he was at his prime. More recently, Intrada Records started releasing a bunch of his older scores as limited editions, such as Something Wicked This Way Comes, The Journey of Natty Gann, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids and House of Cards. It's all great stuff.

NovaX Dec 17, 2009 09:51 PM

I saw it, it's pretty good. 3D wasn't great because I was sitting at the front of the thatre though, guess it isn't as effective when viewed at such an angle.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 17, 2009 10:50 PM

Yeah, it was largely and overwhelmingly okay and little more. Just like I expected.

BlindMonk Dec 18, 2009 04:33 AM

Just got back from it. Felt like Ferngully, with 1.21 Jiggawatts being pumped through it. Story is incredibly plain, about what I expected -- really blatant, too. Like Titanic, it does what it needs to scrape by.

Jesus, the CGI, though... I caught myself open-mouthed more than once. It was my first modern 3D film which might have something to do with it, but boy is this an incredible film to *look* at.

Grundlefield Earth Dec 18, 2009 11:21 PM

Yeah I saw it in 3d, not imax just regular 3d, but I've never seen anything like it before. Fantastic all around even if the story is nothing new. It doesn't really have to be with everything going on around it, and the fact that retelling of stories is bound to happen more and more as we move forward.

Horners score was pretty good, but I am not sure it topped his oscar titanic win or Braveheart. However, I haven't listened to the soundtrack yet, so that may change.

Frankly, it just boggles my mind when I think about what they had to do to get this 160 minute movie out.

Oh and how about that next in line chief kicking fucking ass in the ship where the explosives were :rock:

No. Hard Pass. Dec 19, 2009 01:36 AM

BZ swears by this film. That tells you all you need to know right there. I also don't get where this mindblowing aspect is coming from. I was more blown away by Jurassic Park than I was by this. The IMAX 3D is impressive, sure, but nothing really beyond this. Hype machine breeds fans, though, I guess.

:shrug:

Skexis Dec 20, 2009 11:31 PM

My down and dirty comments:

The animation and amount of detail was astounding.

The story was good even though the allegations of Dances With Wolves + aliens hits pretty close to home.

The movie, for all the hype, was quite traditional as movie-making goes (see above), which seems to be everybody's beef with it, I guess?

What some people seem to be avoiding is the fact that the movie continually juggles the love story, the marine's renewal, the Na'vi culture, and the wider conservationism vs. rapid expansion plotline without hitting a false note.

The animation and amount of detail was astounding. Although we haven't reached the point of being able to do full CG humans yet without looking odd, the Na'vi blow clear past the uncanny valley without slowing down. It is a landmark by any standard, even if all the talk about Cameron "creating a new genre" is just pap.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 21, 2009 12:09 AM

http://gawker.com/5422666/when-will-...es-like-avatar

Fucking white people, dude.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 21, 2009 01:39 AM

No doubt. But I have to admit, this particular bullshit is why I hated Last Samurai as much as I did, and why I just can't stomach Dances With Wolves. Just that whole white guy walks into an ethnic place and shows them how shit gets -done- story is hard to swallow.

Except I love Dune, so what the fuck do I know outside hypocrisy? Still didn't much love Avatar, though.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Dec 21, 2009 01:56 AM

The main difference is that Dune's super whitey isn't TOM CRUISE or Kevin Costner (who is completely useless sans gills anyway).

I should get a chance to see this by the end of the week, but I'm certainly not expecting much. WE SHALL SEE.

Skexis Dec 21, 2009 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 738206)
No doubt. But I have to admit, this particular bullshit is why I hated Last Samurai as much as I did, and why I just can't stomach Dances With Wolves. Just that whole white guy walks into an ethnic place and shows them how shit gets -done- story is hard to swallow.

Except I love Dune, so what the fuck do I know outside hypocrisy? Still didn't much love Avatar, though.

It's touchy ground when you talk about culture assimilation, but yeah, unless we all stop going to Chinese/Indian/'ethnic' restaurants we're all guilty.
Still though, it's an unavoidable part of making a movie about (and therefore placing focus on) any particular white person.

Some story specific spoilers and :words:
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When whites fantasize about becoming other races, it's only fun if they can blithely ignore the fundamental experience of being an oppressed racial group. Which is that you are oppressed, and nobody will let you be a leader of anything.

I think Cameron made it a point to use the large flyer as an analogy for the marine's white ambition. Remember earlier in the film, when he's reporting to the colonel and he tames the first flyer? It was actually kind of disturbing to me because they placed such emphasis on his reaction. "You are mine." But the large flyer he gets towards the end, he uses only to help the Na'vi, and then he gives it up. It's evidence of a pervasive change in him to join a collective rather than evidence of his need to dominate them. He never, in fact, becomes their leader, and moreover never shows any desire to become the leader or to supplant their rulers. His only desire is to be a part of them. Not representative of them.

(The usual response to this goes something like, "Well, maybe not explicitly, but it's obvious he was taking over in reality if not in name!") That makes my problem with articles on this topic twofold.

For one, they cherry pick the parts they want to read into, sometimes against given evidence, because it suits a theory. I'm willing to acknowledge the white fantasy point of view, but if it doesn't acknowledge the possibility of a societal equilibrium, especially in the places where the movie gets it right, then it's a poor base for criticism. (If no movie can get it right, then it reveals the flaw in the argument.)

Secondly, they tend to assume that the average moviegoer is smart enough to understand and latch onto the convenience a movie like this affords them (the choice to be another culture's king) but never smart enough to understand that there is a choice. In other words, it makes the assumption that every man would want to be king, without exception.

I'm sure I'll catch hell for this post, but it seems like a critical dead end any time someone brings this up. Fine for generating discussion, not so much for anything productive or even particularly to do with the film in question. It's like the meta version of Godwin's Law.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Dec 29, 2009 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 738206)
No doubt. But I have to admit, this particular bullshit is why I hated Last Samurai as much as I did

See, I like Last Samurai *a lot*. Even if its base story of "It Takes A White Man To Validate Ethnic Culture" is as insultingly dumb as it is acceptable bigotry.

Avatar is the exact same thing, except with mechs. It was a fun time, shit blew up and the 3D effects were great. Is it the movie to end all movies? Nah. I would say this is basically just another Abyss for Cameron, where its just something thats *good* instead of the rungs of the ladder it tries to grab and misses. Then again, I'd say the same about Titanic.

Zergrinch Dec 29, 2009 08:22 PM

Overall, Avatar was a good popcorn movie, albeit I felt it was a bit long. The story, as is often stated, is nowhere near original. I also found Jake a tad selfish, knowing he had three months to negotiate, but not giving out nary a peep until the bulldozers come.

I'm curious about one thing though. He didn't seem to be affected by sleep deprivation at all. If he spends an inordinate amount of time playing Na'Vi, and then lives a human life during Na'Vi sleepy time, how could he function at that high a level after a few days of that?

Judging by all the universal praise Avatar's getting for visuals and world-building, I guess I should have watched it in 3D. A pity.


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