What Neko did not get is that the boys actually help out in the farms.

But hey, if there's problem in space, why not send them all to Canada? We could afford filling the vast landscape with more Chinese.

I am aware of the child murders, the main reason why murders happen in China is due to gender preference, if people could be happy with the gender that they get, it would be nice, but we all know that it's not gonna happen.

The idea of population control being achieved by people having 1 or 2 kids and be happy about them is just that 'idealism' it would be nice, but we all know that it's not gonna happen.

lumping in forced abortions and infanticide with murder itt

Never said anything about abortions. And you're going to tell me it's not murder when they're infants? So when is it murder? When they're 3 years and 2 days?

Which resources would we not have a real problem with? Because when the world population was only three billion people and change, the third world still had a problem with access to fresh water, food and arable land, jobs, economic and social opportunity, etc.

All the same, it's not how many people you kill population control so much as who gets population controll'd. I seem to recall one of your relatives reproducing irresponsibly, what have you done to get her to stop doing that?

If you can't kill them outside the womb, why inside the womb? Not that I'm pro-life, but murder is murder.

I dunno how it works in China, but I'm glad they didn't change it.

Have to be a person for it to be murder. If you're a bundle of cells, not a living, breathing thing, you're not a person.

I'm pro-death, myself. Fetii. Kill 'em all.

Just think of how many resources we can harvest from a dead infant.

Wasn't talking to you, chumley.

But yeah, I wouldn't necessarily lump in socially forced infanticide with murder. For all intents and purposes, it's a late-term abortion unless it's been forced by the state or somebody else, which isn't what chibi neko is implying.

Though I guess it's murder if abortion services are easily available. It's a little complicated, but basically I'm saying chibi neko is kinda racist.

Oh, well. Yeah. Totally.

You know, I am quite amused how the thread evolved from China's one-child policy to ad hominem attacks on the tiny cat :p

In any case, population control is a dicey issue, though it is interesting how more people in the more educated nations tend to have fewer babies. Perhaps giving everyone a decent education is the best step towards lowering the global population!

Easier said than done, lulz

I think that there is a population issue in the world and people call me a raciest for it, I am pretty amused myself too.

No, you think there's a population issue and KILLING DARK PEOPLE is the way to solve it. That's why we call you a racist. It has nothing to do with you knowing there's a population issue. It's about being a white, suburban North Eastern girl and waving a hand and saying "cut your population in half" to a whole part of the world that depends on manpower for survival. You can't just say "stop having babies" or "Hey, just die a lot" and solve the fucking problem. THAT is why you're a racist. An incredibly ethnocentric prat at the very least.

Also, Zerg, do your reading, sir. Education isn't what stems childbirth in wealthier nations. WEALTH is. GDP goes up, childbirth goes down. Families don't need children to support them if they can afford to support themselves. Basic human development, sir.

Sigh.... dude, please re-read my posts, I never said anything about killing, or a specific country, just a idea of everyone having 1 or 2 kids, but that is idealistic so we know its not going to happen. Trying to twist what I am trying to say is only pulling this thread off topic. I am just going to end it with that.

Oh, so you were referring to the drastic overpopulation issues of Canada, the US and Western Europe, then?

The world in general, sorry if you thought otherwise.

Except you claim that the Chinese are killing their daughters because of gender preferences, which isn't true and means that these kids become adopted or unofficially raised within the family far more often than they're actually killed.

This gender discrepancy is either leaving the country, or only on paper, but you continue insisting upon these Chinese Baby Girl Murder myths as though they are true so what the Hell is wrong with you?

And yeah, mandating 1 or 2 children a household implies forced abortions, so you are basically advocating state sanctioned murder, good job you fucking idiot.

Except the world in general doesn't -have- an overpopulation problem. Rather specific parts of the world have an overpopulation problem. Mostly the dark parts. It's like saying the world has a problem with a shortage of food. No it doesn't. Parts of the world have a problem with access to food. I can walk down to the Superstore and buy me a big ol' steak whenever I want. So, either you're trying to backtrack here, or you're just a horribly simple girl who is so poorly informed it's laughable. Which one is it?

See, being ignorant doesn't bar you from ethnocentric racism.

Orly.

There is a greater correlation to "education" than "wealth", sir.

Fertility Rate against GDP per capita (Wealth)
http://upload.jetsam.org/pix/fertility-gdp.png

Fertility Rate against Gross Enrollment rates (Education)
http://upload.jetsam.org/pix/fertility-education.png


Source: Human Development Indicators

Indicators or the Index? Where are you pulling your stats from? I've seen similar notes from the HDI people, but that's it.

Look, it's simply a matter of how economically beneficial children are to the economy, it GDP or higher education doesn't matter. If you could train drones to perform menial labor for the rest of their lives it would still be to their disadvantage to have children assuming children can't be drones.

We don't have much kids because nowadays it's a lifestyle choice, whereas in an agricultural economy those extra hands are an economic necessity.

Download it yourself if you want to play around
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/hdr_20072008_tables.zip

Economic impact of children is an entirely different story. You can argue they're a money pit nowadays, which is why people are having less.

Regardless, I think more education results in less child bearing. Since more education should result in greater income and wealth, I believe any correlation between education and wealth is caused by the indirect link.

Education's the key! :tpg:

Proposing population control is just great when you're not in the position, isn't it? I don't think anyone has the right to tell people how many kids to have. It is a choice they have to make for themselves.

But please, feel free to support the one-child policy. But be consistent and also support a policy pressuring U.S. Americans/Western Europeans to have 2-3 children each irrespective of their personal wishes, just to counterbalance the aging of the population.

This is lame. This issues directly deals with my major and I don't even have enough information to argue anything. I could take information I do know and misquote it and make an argument. "Globalization...north-south gap...IMF...evil..."

I think instead of arguing about whether the PRC changes it's policy on children, it'd be wiser to discuss how to allocate it's resources to effectively support it's large population.

If anything, China's got one hell of a demographic time bomb. That's gonna explode in a couple of generations or so.