oh lol this thread

Throw the book at the old man. He wasn't in danger, they weren't entering his home, they didn't even know he was there. There was no one in the home that would have been put in danger by these thieves.

Yeah I mean they're assholes but Grandpa Vigilante there is grade-a all the way. I mean, as long as 'being a dick' is sufficient grounds for punishment.

I've already professed to not being an expert on guns, so maybe it's easier than I would've thought to hit a moving target as small as a kneecap with a shotgun.

I wouldn't use a shotgun. But let's say I did. Aim at the mid to lower shins and all bases should be covered. I'm the pistol type, myself. The lower the caliber the better. Lodging a bullet in someone's flesh has got to be some rewarding shiot.

I think it's particularly telling that he told the 911 operator beforehand that he intended to kill them. KILL them, not just shoot to disable until the authorities showed up.

I couldn' agree more with Sassafrass. The nut took TWO LIVES. Those people had family, they had people who cared about them and he suddenly has the right to take their lives just because they were taking some other guys' stuff? Man, I know people can be materialistic, but this is really stretching it a bit. Even if they were thieves, they did NOT deserve this.

Also, according to the article posted by Encephalon, there are some cases where someone's allowed to defend a neighbours' property, but this doesn't seem to be valid here.

And you're a dumb little cunt, aren't you? Hey, look, I can call people names when I disagree with them too!

"Even if he had opeyed the 911 operators commands--" Allow me to finish that statement for you. The two victims would most likely have been apprehended, convicted, and sentenced for anything from Criminal Mischief to Robbery. You're ignoring the fact that before Mr. Horn decided to play hero he had provided the dispatcher with information regarding their build, clothing, and other details regarding their apperance.

As for the risk to the homeowner's house, well, as Sass has said, homeowner's insurance should have covered it. Not that I think there would be any reason as, again, I highly doubt the two victim's would have managed to escape.

I'm not sure which is more disgusting, your inability to support a controversial viewpoint, the obvious lack of respect for life, or your need to resort to name calling when confronted with someone who has enough sense to not kill someone over a bag of stuff.

Don't most homeowners insurance policies come with some sort of deductible? In which case it may not have actually covered any of the stolen goods?

I am pretty sure there is a deductible, but provided you have theft coverage, you should be fine on anything that is stolen from your property - including your vehicle, if parked on the premises at the time of theft. I don't know that there is a deductible for theft. I don't own a home, so I couldn't tell you. I will go research, though! It's useful to know!

Again, depends on your policy. The deductible is worth it, provided that the policy would certainly cover what was stolen. There are also little tidbits in there which you may need to prove. Like, you know, if someone stole your brand new 40 inch LCD TV, new sound system, shit like that - you'd need to prove it's worth if you intend to get a good amount back. Otherwise, you settle with shitty insurance decisions on actual cost of goods. (Shop smart, guys~)

As far as I know anyways. I'm not an expert - I only speak from the experiences I have had and experiences others I know have had.

At the same time, none of this actually warrants two deaths.

EDIT: Looks like in the state of Texas, home owner's insurance deductibles start at around $250. The higher you make the deductible, the more discount you get on the premium. THEFT is generally covered without deductibles, from what I can tell. Other things are not.

Also, some deductibles (including theft in most cases) are tax write-offs. =D

I guess I should beware of crazy people when I'm walking outside now.

Gech might mistake me for a robber and pop a cap in my ass >=(

Never gonna take the 30 minute drive to meet you now Gech

Even if this guy is put on trial, we have this wonderful thing called -- Jury nullification.

If I met the guy in person, I'd buy him a drink at the local bar.

He clearly said "Move....you're dead"

Obviously, one of them moved towards him in a way that scared him and he fucked them boys off.

This man deserves a medal.

I'm tellin y'all boys -- Texas boys don't fuck around.

No, he said, "Boom, you're dead." There was no pause, there was no attempt to halt the victims whatsoever. Don't worry my illustrious Neo-Conservative Rhyme-Master, this is not a 2ed Amendment issue, and nobody is going to try to take away your gats.

Go crawl back underneath your hole in PP, your particular brand of ignorance isn't needed here.

Look... All I'm saying is: Aim for the kneecaps, you fuckwits. It hurts a lot more than you think and you can avoid the "AWW HELL NAW! THEM NIGGAS AIN'T TAKIN' MY STRAP" argument.

That's right. Just keep on walkin'... =U Also, I'm in B/CS now =3 No more Hoo-stun for me~
... Says the self-proclaimed "bad shot"! :mad:

Anyhow, let's not forget the screwy frivolous lawsuits that result from letting criminals live. I remember a few years back someone putting a slug in to some fucker's knee-cap, and HE ended up getting sued by the criminal that invaded his home.

I think the fact that he told the operator his intentions sorta nulls this arugment a bit. If nothing else, he's stupid.

Use of deadly force is usually justified when it's your own home that's being invaded. When there's enough reason to believe that your person could be in danger.

I heard "Move you're dead" myself.

Also, didn't the article say something about how when he left the house, he found them in his yard, close to his house, facing him? No one's addressed that.

It's a little disheartening the way some people are mourning these thieves. They had families! So if if I'm stealing a bunch of shit, and I get blown away, but I've neglected to breed first, I'm less deserving of sympathy?

I can't really feel sorry for them. The idea that they'd violate someone's home like that. It's a little like rape to me.

Lethal force should always be the last resort. That clearly was not the case here.

Some have asserted that the criminals-turned-victims "deserved" what they got. Please explain to me how the loss of your life is fair punishment for breaking and entering. Personally, I don't feel the loss of one's life is fair punishment for anything, but I can at least understand it in a select few instances. A crime as petty as this, though, one that would hardly warrant extensive jail time, warranting death as retribution is beyond absurd. The value with which some of you put on all that we have, all that we ever will have, is saddening.

You're just hating on the breeders. :mad:

First, get the dick out of your ass. No one mourns gay people, instead we picket their funerals.

Second, you still have siblings and parents who depend on you in their old age. Unless you sprung fully-formed from the ground, in which case you're neither gay nor a thief, but a ficus plant.

It's not exactly all that clear what happened when the old man with a shotgun went face to face with the thieves. Some people are operating with the paradigm that he went out there expressly to kill. In which case, the deaths of the thieves are a direct result of their crime.

There is the possibility he went out there to stop the theft from happening. In that context, the thieves could have stopped when he said "move you're dead." There was a decision that could have been made that would have avoided death. They didn't make it.

Kind of like if I run at an air marshal waving a jet black water pistol. I'm aware that the consequence of that is that I run the risk of getting shot. Old guy with a shotgun facing you telling you if you move you're dead, and you choose to move? Yeah the guy shot them, and so he gets to deal with those consequences. Doesn't mean the thieves are blameless in this.

It occurred to me too that I remember some of the people in this thread lamenting the loss of life on the part of the thieves gathered around not too long ago to laugh at some poor sap who committed suicide on the internet.

I just listened/watched the YouTube video. I am even more astonished at some of the reactions here.

It seems that he is calling from his home. Horn says "I will go out there and shoot them." He mentions how he shouldn't have to risk his life - then why does he. YOU KNOW two people, possibly armed, are breaking in next door. And you go out there to confront them with a shotgun. He is INDOORS when he makes the call: "If I go out there..." The guy is INSIDE when he makes the call and DECIDED to go out and shoot these two guys.

He also thinks something bad happened on "September the first." What the fuck.

He took it upon himself to go outside and take "justice" into his own goddamn hands and SHOT the two men. Murdered them. Over theft.

That's so unheard of to me. You people think the appropriate penalty to two thieves is death by a shotgun.

It's even more startling when you hear it in the audio.

"They came in the front yard with me. I had no CHOICE!"

HE PROVOKED THEM. Fucking MORON. He went out with the EXPRESSED PURPOSE of confronting them. And the cops reacted pretty badly to what he did, too.

I can't believe some of you people. I really, really can't.

He said "Move, you're dead." Texas drawl man, texas drawl.

Additional Spam:
You sure you were listening clearly Sass? He said he had a right to defend him self prior to certain laws changing back on 9/11. For all the criticism you guys are giving those of us who felt he was in the wrong, you people certainly aren't paying any fucking attention.