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Spatula Jan 27, 2007 04:16 PM

This movie, I found, was beautifully haunting. It starts out slow enough but gains more than enough momentum to really want you rooting for Ofelia to complete her tasks. I watched this Wednesday night, and then Letters from Iwo Jima the following night, both great movies, but there's a certain quality of PL that sticks in my mind and wraps itself and some key sequences keep looping in my mind. It's like a fairy tale for adults, that doesn't pull any punches on the dread factor, who often forget how scary a "monster under the bed or in the closet" can get when perceived by younger children, as when Ofelia asked Mercedes of what she thought about faries, and the older just relied, yes, I believed in those types of things before, but now, not at all. This movie was gruesome, but not stomach churning. Most of the violence centered around gunshot wounds and a torture scene with the Mexican forces and the rebels. What I loved most about the movie, was despite the protagonist as being a young girl, it was definately aimed at a mature audience, without a doubt. A must see, and also a must buy.

Thalin Jan 27, 2007 04:36 PM

It must be good if it made you change your sig and avatar! I am looking forward to getting this film when it is released on DVD, unfortunately it was like a game of cat and mouse to find at cinemas over here, so I never got round to seeing it :(

Spatula Jan 27, 2007 04:46 PM

Totally off topic, your signature made me lol so hard.

Somewhat on topic, I never really expected to change my av and sig to the current PL one now, but after seeing what I call that "grape dude", I was like, that's one creepy ass motherfucker, what better way to burn that image in my mind than to put it as my sig!

Matt Jan 27, 2007 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wise Vivi (Post 370649)
Why didn't see this a while ago? The preview looks awesome and it seems everyone on here loved it. I will have to take a look at it.

Maybe you're in the same boat as I am: the movie isn't playing anywhere locally.

Dr. Uzuki Jan 27, 2007 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Capo
It was even better to see the theater was packed. =D

Yeah, that was surprising. I went to kind of a late showing and I figured, subbed movie, late showing, there's not going to be anyone there. There was a line and the place ended up packed! Film must be getting great word of mouth because I haven't seen much as far as ads for it go.

The Wise Vivi Jan 27, 2007 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 374364)
Maybe you're in the same boat as I am: the movie isn't playing anywhere locally.

Its playing at Grant Park in Winnipeg. I don't know if I have the time to go and see it though....:(

Inhert Jan 28, 2007 08:51 AM

wow just finished watching this movie, and what a great movie it was! everything about it is great!

but:

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I so cry at the end of the movie, it's so sad ; ; Yes she died and she return to her Kingdom, but what make me sad, is that when the captain see her talking to the faun, well he doesn't see him, so we could wonder if all this was not just in her head...

but yes I prefer to believe that it was real and that the captain didn't see the faun just because he didn't believed in fairy tale ^^

Still one of my favorite movie! definitely going to buy the DVD!

Vestin Jan 30, 2007 03:43 AM

Am I the only one that thought this movie was shit?

There were so many things wrong with it in every way, it just ticked me off.

I had a very difficult time feeling sorry for the little girl no matter what happened, she brought everything on herself.

Also, the Captain wasn't THAT bad of a dude. I mean, he had reason to do pretty much everything that he did.

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Such as him smashing in the kid's face in the beginning. He told him to shut up three times and the kid didn't listen.

Him shooting the little girl at the end - where the fuck did she think she was going with that baby? Just because her imagination runs wild, doesn't mean the Captain's does. What else is he going to do to her? Send her to a psychiatrist? No. He shot the dumb bitch for trying to kidnap his child.

Him torturing that studdering dude - it's war. It's the only way to extract information from the enemy.

Him wanting to kill that housemaid (forgot her name) - can somebody say treason?


All those things taken into consideration, he did what he had to do.

Also, I couldn't STAND the little girl ESPECIALLY

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Her blatant disregard of instructions. DO NOT EAT ANYTHING. Was this so hard for her to do? Even the fairies tried to stop her, but she kept swatting them away. They stressed to her how many times NOT to eat anything off the table and what does she do? She eats.

Also, why does she waste SO MUCH TIME. She sits, stares, and BREATHES at everything she comes across. She's stealing the baby? She has to sit there and talk to it for a half an hour not even paying mind to the fact that the Captain will brutally murder her if he catches her.

When she's about to escape and the Captain takes a drink of his whiskey that she laced with the Mother's medicine - she fucking sits and stares and watches him drink it. Fucking dumb little shit. She deserved everything that came to her. I think a more appropriate ending would have had her get shot and die miserably, not going off into any fantasy land, imagined or not.

It did, however, make me feel better at the end when they revealed the whole thing was nothing but pure fantasy.

There's nothing you can argue against that.

Okay, so the Mother got better? Coincidence. That's it. The Doctor didn't say it was a miracle because it was something that was unlikely to happen, he said it was a miracle because it was a joyous occasion. In pregnancies, Mothers can go from sick to perfectly fine in a split second. That's life.

When they burned the mandrake root the mother died - yes, but random shit happens and her episode with probably caused by the child's screaming and moaning about the burning of a root with imaginary powers. She caused her own Mother's death.

Also, the Captain couldn't see the Faun at the end of the movie. That was because it wasn't there, not because "you have to believe to see it," what kind of bullshit is that? This was a fairy tale for adults because it had an underlying theme, not because they were trying to convince you that there's alternate realities that are real if we believe.

Inhert Jan 30, 2007 01:42 PM

if you don't "believe" or enjoy a fairy tale that why the fuck did you watch that movie >.>

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Jan 30, 2007 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vestin (Post 376556)
Spoiler:
Her blatant disregard of instructions. DO NOT EAT ANYTHING. Was this so hard for her to do? Even the fairies tried to stop her, but she kept swatting them away. They stressed to her how many times NOT to eat anything off the table and what does she do? She eats.

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She hadn't had dinner that night, if you recall.

Quote:

Spoiler:

Also, why does she waste SO MUCH TIME. She sits, stares, and BREATHES at everything she comes across. She's stealing the baby? She has to sit there and talk to it for a half an hour not even paying mind to the fact that the Captain will brutally murder her if he catches her.

Spoiler:
Um, she's like 12.


Not even going to try to argue the rest, because, oh well, you didn't like it. That's your prerogative. I would just like to say that you missed the larger point of the whole film. Quit trying to analyze every little bit of it, and just enjoy.

Musharraf Jan 30, 2007 01:51 PM

I liked the movie very much. It has a great ambience and the acting is very good. The soundtrack is pretty astounding as well. Definitely not a "fairy tale", though, it's not some kind of fantasy movie in my opinion.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Jan 30, 2007 01:54 PM

I, too, thought the score was fantastic. I even spent an hour or so yesterday listening to it on the Pan's Labyrinth website. So perfect.

Dr. Uzuki Jan 30, 2007 03:40 PM

Ahaha, the captain, he wasn't such a bad guy!
Spoiler:
I woulda shot the bitch too.


post number 1,000 :)

RacinReaver Jan 30, 2007 04:29 PM

I went to see the movie with a few friends because they had all heard it was, like, the most fantastic movie ever and I hadn't even heard of it. Turns out they didn't even know the movie was in Spanish. I thought the movie was alright, the only real different part was that it didn't fit the typical Hollywood resolution for a movie (and everyone getting killed). The special effects and everything were pretty rad, but, I dunno, the movie just didn't seem like one of the best things I've seen in a long time. Also lolled a bit at the existentialist undertones after having joking with my roommate that he had to see the movie for his continental philosophy class.

Hey capo, you see the movie on the theater on Murray? The showing before I was there was totally packed, I think it was the first day. When the group before us left some dude was talking about crying at the end and everyone in line was pretty much :tpg:.

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Originally Posted by Scratch and Sniff (Post 374321)
Most of the violence centered around gunshot wounds and a torture scene with the Mexican forces and the rebels.

I believe it took place in Spain. That's why the rebels cared about the landing at Normandy.

Spatula Jan 30, 2007 04:51 PM

Sorry, I mix up Spanish and Mexicans.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Jan 30, 2007 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver (Post 377025)
Hey capo, you see the movie on the theater on Murray? The showing before I was there was totally packed, I think it was the first day. When the group before us left some dude was talking about crying at the end and everyone in line was pretty much :tpg:.

Yeah, The Manor. I know a few people that work there so I can get in and get food for free. =D

Vestin Jan 30, 2007 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Inhert (Post 376887)
if you don't "believe" or enjoy a fairy tale that why the fuck did you watch that movie >.>

I enjoy fairy-tales just fine, but when they try to press on me that all this was real if I just believe and then show me that no matter what it isn't real, I don't tend to believe. They didn't do a very good job with the fairy tale aspect of it.

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Originally Posted by Capo (Post 376894)
Spoiler:
She hadn't had dinner that night, if you recall.

Spoiler:
That doesn't change a damn thing. They told her a shit load of times NOT to eat anything. What did she do? She eat something. All she had to do was not eat it. I mean, she got her punishment, but nevertheless. She got two fairies killed and didn't even care. "It was an accident!" Hahaha, how the hell was that an accident?



Quote:

Originally Posted by Capo (Post 376894)
Spoiler:
Um, she's like 12.

And? I would think that would make her more scared and move more quickly. Several people in the threatre expressed the same concern about her standing around and breathing and staring as I did.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Capo (Post 376894)
Quit trying to analyze every little bit of it, and just enjoy.

It's not so much that I am analyzing every little bit of it, but it's just that these are the same things that people put down horror movies for, yet this movie can get away with it because it's a fantasy! I dare say they did things worse than any horror movie, because at least with horror movies, they move quickly. Not all 12-year-olds are as frustrating as this one.

And I did enjoy the movie. I especially enjoyed
Spoiler:
that dumb bitch getting shot
=]

Put Balls Jan 30, 2007 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vestin (Post 377076)
Several people in the threatre expressed the same concern about her standing around and breathing and staring as I did.

People talking in the theater. What a world this is. Luckily I haven't encountered such.

But I believe GFF has had a discussion about this earlier so let's just leave it as a notion.

Loved the movie, especially the parallelism used between Mercedes's and Ofelia's actions.

killerpineapple Jan 31, 2007 03:49 PM

One of the most original films I have seen in a long time. I have my own feelings about the the reality of the fantasy world and the movie's conclusion, but who doesn't?. I'd love to see it again actually. There's all sorts of parallels between the two settings of the movie. Some I'm sure I've come up with on my own but others seem very intentional.

Gixah Feb 4, 2007 08:18 PM

I saw this tonight and loved every second of it, though I'm not going to debate about the ending of the film and just take it for what it is. Best movie I have seen since Capote.


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