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Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze
Callo Merlose was Vagrant Story, not FFT. Which would place VS prior to XII.
Ah, whoops I put 'Tactics' instead of VS. Yes, VS is before XII, that's actually one of the first "clicks" that when through my head when I was filling the bestiary.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 02:07 AM
I had just chalked it and the Bunansa name up as little nods to previous games, like the Riskbreaker Guild Rank and Montblanc.

Xaekid Dec 14, 2006 02:07 AM
Oh damn...

I need a PSP. Like, soon.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Generic Badass
I had just chalked it and the Bunansa name up as little nods to previous games, like the Riskbreaker Guild Rank and Montblanc.
Ah, it's probably just that. Some others include the Espers themselves being the Lucavi of FFT, albeit with slightly different names. Queklain becomes Cuchulainn (hell his subtitle is almost the same in both games, Impure somthing something), Hashmalum becomes Hashmal, Altima becomes Ultima, etc...

I believe Velius is Belias, but that may be stretching it. The Zodiac and gem associations are still the same in both titles, as is their jobs and ranking amongst them (Hashmal brings order/regulates, Ultima's the leader). The games are clearly linked. Even FFTA is linked, so it's not fictional.
Spoiler:

Al-Cid Margrace invites Ashe to his family's vacation spot in Ambervale. This location is the final stage in FFTA, and in that game it is the summer home of the royal family. Supports both the Rozzaria connection and the FFTA world as actually having existed.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 02:28 AM
That connection to Advance is easily explained by the fact that the world is crafted by their experiences with Final Fantasy, like I said. A child's outlook could easily explain why the rather grotesque Seeq are absent and why the Judges are considerably more benign than their XII counterparts. Hell, it would make Montblanc fit in all too well, since he is exactly the same in personality and career choice.

Also, Belias is extremely similar to Velius when romanizing, so it isn't a stretch in the least.

Dark Nation Dec 14, 2006 02:38 AM
This is the time line (Oldest in chronology story-wise) as it has been most likely hypothesized:

FFXII ---> FFXII:RW ---> FFTactics ---> Vagrant Story.

This new game = No Idea, obviously. Looks like SquareEnix finally realized people luv Ivalice. I admit I've warmed to the whole 'world', although its very close to the overused medieval fantasy which I abhor. Luckily they deviated far enough to make it enjoyable.

Also to those who might be confused, FFTA was the Equivalent of Super Mario Bros 2 (Doki Doki Panic! in Japan) or Legend of Zelda - Link's Awakening:
Spoiler:

It was all a dream.

(Bonus: Both in Link's Awakening and FFTA, it could be argued that you play as the villain, since you ultimately destroy the dream world).

Cetra Dec 14, 2006 02:41 AM
Wonder if they will add new battle maps and nerf Thundergod Cid in the PSP version of FFT.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 14, 2006 02:43 AM
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Wonder if they will add new battle maps and nerf Thundergod Cid in the PSP version of FFT.
I don't think you can dumb down Cid because of the story. I always liked that you heard about how all powerful he was, and he could take out entire batallions, so if you got him and he was weak? Bah. I hate it when they do that in games. I.E. Magus.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Generic Badass
That connection to Advance is easily explained by the fact that the world is crafted by their experiences with Final Fantasy, like I said. A child's outlook could easily explain why the rather grotesque Seeq are absent and why the Judges are considerably more benign than their XII counterparts. Hell, it would make Montblanc fit in all too well, since he is exactly the same in personality and career choice.
Spoiler:

IIRC, the book itself is actually magic and Marche's brother's dream/desires could simply have them viewing the book's contents through the filter of his mind. This becomes more pronounced as the story goes on and they realize that the world isn't real. So, IMO, it's a dream interpretation of some actual time in the book. They've even got the Salikawood as a location, or at least wood from that area as an item.

I like the idea that the book may actually be FFXII with all the "icky" removed.


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Also, Belias is extremely similar to Velius when romanizing, so it isn't a stretch in the least.
Thanks for the heads up, I sort of wondered if they weren't actually one and the same due to both having the same gem.

And VS wouldn't take place that far ahead of XII, since it frequently cites 'Naturalist Merlose' in encounters with certain monsters. That would put it sometime before XII. Or if you don't to view this reference in this light, it could be an ancestor, but Merlose is a she in the entries.

Someone explained it well in the FFXII thread that FFT takes place well after the others for various reasons (absence of other races, airship graveyard, etc).

Either way, this is all very interesting.

Torte Dec 14, 2006 03:26 AM
"Gasp!" - Drowning in the flood of cash cows here!

Dark Nation Dec 14, 2006 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

And VS wouldn't take place that far ahead of XII, since it frequently cites 'Naturalist Merlose' in encounters with certain monsters. That would put it sometime before XII. Or if you don't to view this reference in this light, it could be an ancestor, but Merlose is a she in the entries.
That's the problem isn't it? As I said it was only a Hypothesis. There's evidence for VS taking both far ahead and far behind the other two games.

But I wonder: Where would Lea Monde be located in Ivalice in relation to other places?

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere
[spoiler]And VS wouldn't take place that far ahead of XII, since it frequently cites 'Naturalist Merlose' in encounters with certain monsters. That would put it sometime before XII. Or if you don't to view this reference in this light, it could be an ancestor, but Merlose is a she in the entries.
Oh right, I forgot to mention that.

Do the people mention Merlose in the game, or is it part of the narration (be it spoken by no one in cutscenes or part of item descriptions and the like)? I can't recall, but if it's the latter, it doesn't necessarily mean it's giving away a general time period. As you might recall, the game quotes Alazlam in the very beginning.

Dark Nation Dec 14, 2006 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Generic Badass
Oh right, I forgot to mention that.

Do the people mention Merlose in the game, or is it part of the narration (be it spoken by no one in cutscenes or part of item descriptions and the like)? I can't recall, but if it's the latter, it doesn't necessarily mean it's giving away a general time period. As you might recall, the game quotes Alazlam in the very beginning.
The only definite pieces of information which relate to the other games would be the following:

- (FFXII), Ivalice uses the Old Valendian Calender, which would indicate that Valendia no longer exists as the time of FFXII.
- (VS) There is a Temple of Kiltia, which the religion can also be found in FFXII in Mt. Bur-Omisacse as the Temple of the Gran Kiltias, which would suggest that either the Religion still exists, so that it used to beforehand at some point (The Cathedral could be Kiltia in name only, and be home to a different Church organization).
- (FFT) The Kingdom of Ordalia is the location of Rozzaria (FFXII) on the Ordalian Continent, while Valendia is where the current Arcadian Empire is situated, on the Valendian Continent.
- (FFXII) The rood symbol found on the cape of the Judges is also the same kind (Subtle difference in Design) found in Vagrant Story.
- A.J. Durai is also the narrator of Tactics (duh).

Some of this info might be unconfirmed. This is a combo of what I know, and what I was able to gather.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 03:01 PM
Okay, now The Magicbox is reporting that Crystal Chronicles: The Ring of Fates takes place in Ivalice.

lol whut

Cobalt Katze Dec 14, 2006 03:50 PM
I think someone forgot to sleep before posting the news? The Crystal Chronicles take place in their own world, what with their own unique races and such.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Nation
The only definite pieces of information which relate to the other games would be the following:

- (FFXII), Ivalice uses the Old Valendian Calender, which would indicate that Valendia no longer exists as the time of FFXII.
- (VS) There is a Temple of Kiltia, which the religion can also be found in FFXII in Mt. Bur-Omisacse as the Temple of the Gran Kiltias, which would suggest that either the Religion still exists, so that it used to beforehand at some point (The Cathedral could be Kiltia in name only, and be home to a different Church organization).
- (FFT) The Kingdom of Ordalia is the location of Rozzaria (FFXII) on the Ordalian Continent, while Valendia is where the current Arcadian Empire is situated, on the Valendian Continent.
- (FFXII) The rood symbol found on the cape of the Judges is also the same kind (Subtle difference in Design) found in Vagrant Story.
- A.J. Durai is also the narrator of Tactics (duh).

Some of this info might be unconfirmed. This is a combo of what I know, and what I was able to gather.
Awesome compilation, DN. I think the Kiltias have been around before, as the Stilshrine is actually a temple.
Spoiler:
It's mentioned in the game, that Raithwall and the Kiltias were friends and he had him put one of his treasures there.


About the location of Lea Monde, got any guesses? I don't remember any bestiary entries mention anything about it, or even hint at it (I've already caught a Red Wings reference in the Aeronite entry).

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I think someone forgot to sleep before posting the news? The Crystal Chronicles take place in their own world, what with their own unique races and such.
Yeah, that'd actually be a negative, IMO. Chronicles had a very interesting world, and a very thin story that had to do with memories. I enjoyed the style of the world and the races, so much so that to force it into the world of Ivalice would be strange.

It also wouldn't click with the first game's story, because miasma =/= mist.

Cobalt Katze Dec 14, 2006 06:51 PM
I actually thought that the "in the distance" view of Giruvegan looked extremely similar to the same far-off shot in Vagrant Story of Lea Monde. They're both places rather surrounded by water too... but once you go inside Giruvegan, it's clear that it's very dissimilar to Lea Monde. Which made me sad slightly.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze
I think someone forgot to sleep before posting the news? The Crystal Chronicles take place in their own world, what with their own unique races and such.
In their defense, there hasn't been anything to confirm that this takes place in the same world. Outfits are similar, but nothing concrete. From what the article says, this game is actually fairly dissimilar to its predecessor-- the story takes more of a central role (focusing on two siblings and having a theme about family), crystals (and presumably miasma) will be nonexistent, and strategy is now considered in battle (having the high ground will cause additional damage, for example).

But, on the other hand, this wouldn't be the first time Magicbox has misquoted or even flat-out wrongly stated information on an upcoming game. I'm also pretty sure I saw a Yuke in a recent screenshot, which wouldn't fit into Ivalice unless they add the original Crystal Chronicles world. Still, I don't think I'd be against the series being added into that universe.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Generic Badass
In their defense, there hasn't been anything to confirm that this takes place in the same world. Outfits are similar, but nothing concrete. From what the article says, this game is actually fairly dissimilar to its predecessor-- the story takes more of a central role (focusing on two siblings and having a theme about family), crystals (and presumably miasma) will be nonexistent, and strategy is now considered in battle (having the high ground will cause additional damage, for example).

But, on the other hand, this wouldn't be the first time Magicbox has misquoted or even flat-out wrongly stated information on an upcoming game. I'm also pretty sure I saw a Yuke in a recent screenshot, which wouldn't fit into Ivalice unless they add the original Crystal Chronicles world. Still, I don't think I'd be against the series being added into that universe.
Well, it still wouldn't work, since Clavats aren't humans it seems, they'd have to explain the Yukes. Not to mention the complete absence of references to any FFT/VS events, people or places. It really seems like they'd be shoehorning it into that world.

I'm calling BS on them for the moment, unless this somehow takes place in the distant past.

JackyBoy Dec 14, 2006 11:13 PM
I truly hope SquareEnix have the common sense not to fuck with a legendary game like Final Fantasy Tactics. An updated port for the PSP is incredible news so let us hope they handle this properly and not turn it into a bullshit mockery that ports so often turn out to be. It would be nice if the PSP version offers a bit more flash for the visuals, but if not, use of the original graphics will do just nicely. This is one of the extremely rare cases where even I would say graphics don't mean a damn when you're talking about a game like Tactics.

Kostaki Dec 16, 2006 12:06 AM
Crystal Chronicles DS has been confirmed to be in Ivalice as well.

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Originally Posted by RPGamer.com News Article
The story takes place in the now-familiar world of Ivalice where the twin protagonists Yuri and Chierinka reside. While four races occupy this version of Ivalice, none have been specifically mentioned. Family and fraternal love play a major role in the game's story, but crystals are no longer a significant theme. Like its predecessor, all of the battles in Ring of Fates are action-oriented, with graphics rendered in full 3D. The level of terrain and position of the characters will affect camera orientation, but the player's view is most often a zoomed-out overhead perspective reminiscent of The Legend of Zelda series. In addition to battle skills like "atttack" and "magic," players can now utilize a "jump" command, although details surrounding this remain unclear.

Mitsuru Kamiyama, director of Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for the Gamecube, returns to direct the DS incarnation, and Toshiyuki Itahana returns as character designer. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates has no scheduled release date, but is currently 60% complete and will be released for the DS alongside Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers for the Nintendo Wii.

Source: http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2006/121506a.html
Make of it what you will.

EDIT: RPGamer has retracted the Ivalice portion of the article, so I don't know WHAT the hell is going on anymore lol.

Muzza Dec 16, 2006 12:23 AM
I'm sure that's gonna seem very strange to serious FFT, FF:CC etc fans. I think they should have left FFCC:CB in whatever land FF:CC was set in. But hey, this is just some random babble coming from a person who shamefully has never played the main games mentioned in this thread. (Soon, though. Trust me, I do want to play FFT)

Xaekid Dec 16, 2006 02:12 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...id/LionWar.jpg

I just love the new logo. :D

No. Hard Pass. Dec 16, 2006 04:07 AM
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Wow... that's really nice.

Metal Sphere Dec 16, 2006 09:37 AM
Ok, I see the Onion Knight job on the right, with a summoner and archer in the back. I was looking to find the other new addition in there, but I guess not (unless it's that Ninja/Samurai one above the N).


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