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Night Phoenix Dec 8, 2006 07:17 AM

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Who feeds you conservatives this shit?
It ain't shit, it's the truth.

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What about saving your own hide? Do you seriously think Hitler would have stopped after conquering Europe and securing the U.S.S.R?
And yet, it does nothing that changes the fact that we did in fact save Europe's ass. Twice.

Spinal Tap Dec 9, 2006 01:20 AM

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But what the Europeans unequivocally want is a weaker, neutered America that is forced to fall in lock-step with them, meanwhile, they find themselves being taken over by Arabs in their own countries and refuse to do anything to stop the eventual transformation into Eurabia.

I'm not saying that we should just say 'Fuck you' to Europe, but c'mon, you can't take them seriously and that's what a liberal's idea of Diplomacy is - being Europe's bitch.

Europe's already doomed to be taken over by a flood of Islamic immigration

Lol, your kind of people are always good for a chuckle...
First of all, Arab =/= Muslim, Arab is an ethnicity like Hispanic, and an Arab can be atheist, agnostic, Christian, Buddhistic, or just whatever the fuck he or she wants to be.
The vast majority of Muslim immigrants to Europe aren't even Arab.... in the UK, Muslims are pretty much exclusively Pakistani and Indian, which are Asian.
In The Netherlands/France/Belgium/Germany, most Muslims are North Africans (Algerians/Moroccans/Tunisians, some of which are indeed Arab, but most in Europe are Berbers, the original peoples of North Africa from before the Arab conquest), black Africans, and Turks. (and those aren't Arabs either, obviously)

Second, yes, there's lots of Muslim immigrants.... does this mean they're taking over?
Are Mexicans taking over in America? (actually, considering the type I'm talking to here, the answer would probably be yes :D)
I'm sick and tired of these paranoid islamophobic assholes spewing their shit about Europe, which, in 9/10 cases, they've never even been out of their own country.
Muslims aren't some hostile takeover machine like you would love to think... most of them are born here and some immigrants even have grandchildren who are born here now... they are forever part of our country and anyone who doesn't like it can suck a big fat one, that's the only thing you can really do about it.
And don't think you (random paranoid American guy) can come and tell me about this supposed islamic takeover of Europe... I was born and raised smack dab in the middle of a largely Muslim part of Amsterdam, went to a high school mostly attended by Muslims (which, ironically, was a Christian school :D), and I wouldn't have had it any other way.

Night Phoenix Dec 9, 2006 01:57 AM

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Second, yes, there's lots of Muslim immigrants.... does this mean they're taking over?
No, not on that fact alone, however, like the illegal Mexican population of the United States, these are people who do not assimilate into European culture very well - in fact, the degree of racism Europeans display towards Muslims regardless of ethnicity pales in comparison to almost anything you can recall after the 1970s in the United States. They don't want these people to assimilate. You couple that with the abysmal economies of most of Western Europe and their weak job markets, you get intensely dissatisfied, unassimilated, and segregated people that start up shit - Example: The car burnings in France in 2005 that went largely unchecked.

Combine that with the unwillingness to even acknowledge that Islam and its followers are the enemy that most greatly threatens the West and you have a problem.

Iran will take over the Middle East and turn its sights to Europe, which will be ill-equipped and completely unwilling to fight back. Europe will fall and then the only thing left is the United States. America will likely die because the tide is turning towards electing those who will advocate policies that will weaken America and make it's foreign policy more Euro-centric in nature.

The West is in its last days. So about 20 years from now, when my Grammy Award winning-album Dark America is required listening in your kids' classes detailing the fall of Western Europe and the United States, don't act like I didn't tell you.

But I mean, hey, I'm paranoid right? Psh. Mark my words.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 9, 2006 02:27 AM

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when my Grammy Award winning-album Dark America is required listening in your kids' classes detailing the fall of Western Europe and the United States, don't act like I didn't tell you.

God, it's so fucking hard to take you seriously when you're on these bullshit self-promotion kicks. YOU'RE NOT AS SMART AS YOU THINK YOU ARE. God, NP, you can be good as a gimmick some days, like a clown at a kid's party, but not tonight you aren't. Go back to Sass and Dope. Your clown shoes seem to be fitting a little snugly in here.

Night Phoenix Dec 9, 2006 02:30 AM

Why are you such a damn hater? I'm working on a classic album right now and all you can do is sling petty insults, trying to throw salt in my game.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 9, 2006 02:32 AM

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Why are you such a damn hater? I'm working on a classic album right now and all you can do is sling petty insults, trying to throw salt in my game.

I happen to like your rhymes, mate. I've dug the albums you've tossed up. But required learning in a history class? Come on.

Night Phoenix Dec 9, 2006 02:37 AM

All I'm saying is this - my knowledge of history and what the hell is going on over there tells me that Western Civilization is about to be destroyed if Europe and the United States don't get on the right page together and crush these Islamofascists decisively.

But my knowledge of people and political trends also tell me that Europe is too far gone and America is nearing the point of no return. It's the reason why I named my sophomore album (though, technically it's my national, major label debut) Dark America because I see dark days ahead for my country.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 9, 2006 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix
All I'm saying is this - my knowledge of history and what the hell is going on over there tells me that Western Civilization is about to be destroyed if Europe and the United States don't get on the right page together and crush these Islamofascists decisively.

But my knowledge of people and political trends also tell me that Europe is too far gone and America is nearing the point of no return. It's the reason why I named my sophomore album (though, technically it's my national, major label debut) Dark America because I see dark days ahead for my country.

Well, I'm not going to debate the west is falling with you, because I agree... though we disagree on the solution. And I'm also not going to say you don't know your political history, because you do. However, I'm just saying I wouldn't take a history class seriously if they made me listen to "We Didn't Start the Fire."

Night Phoenix Dec 9, 2006 02:54 AM

But maybe you would if you heard "The Preamble" or "What They Say"

Little Shithead Dec 9, 2006 11:12 AM

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The West is in its last days. So about 20 years from now, when my Grammy Award winning-album Dark America is required listening in your kids' classes detailing the fall of Western Europe and the United States, don't act like I didn't tell you.

Is this Megalith.

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ramoth Dec 9, 2006 11:39 AM

I was watching a news program (it may have been the Daily Show but it could have been something else), and they were interviewing a former US ambassador to the UN (I don't remember which one). It's only really important that he was a former ambassador to the UN.

According to him, pretty much all of the policy, statements, resolutions, votes, etc. were scripted pretty thouroughly by the State department. I got the impression from him that mostly what a diplomat brings to the table is their personality, and even then, interactions in the UN aren't exactly make or break moments for diplomacy, usually. Although there have been some notable exceptions.

So, with that in mind, let's look at Bolton's personality: Brutish, arrogant, and flippant. He failed to achieve goals he set out for himself, he didn't seem like he was doing anything to actually help along the diplomatic process, and he certainly wasn't making any friends. All he seemed to have to offer were flippant remarks and a walrus-sized (and style) moustache.

Night Phoenix claimed Bolton to be "the best" ambassador. If by "best" he means "most representative of the attitudes of the administration he serves," then sure, I agree. If, on the other hand, he meant something more along the lines of a conventional defenition of best -- i.e. improving relations with other countries, strengthening America's diplomatic position worldwide -- then he is a complete and utter failure.

NP and others can continue to live in their fantasy land, but in the real world, it's pretty clear that Bolton, even doing a job you're not really supposed to be able to screw up, has managed to do pretty much exactly what everyone expected him to do: fail at accomplishing, and spend the rest of his time being a sourpuss.

Although, to be fair, this is the first time in a while that an ambassador to the UN has provided such a goldmine of comedy material. Negroponte only could really give you Greek and Iran Contra jokes, but that moustache, sour demeanor, and those horrible analogies made Bolton a dream come true for comedy writers everywhere.

I'm sure they're all sad to see him go.

Collock Jan 12, 2007 10:35 PM

It was sad Boltan proved he actually was trying to clean up the UN but he was charater assigenated by the US media and Democrates because of getting a power base nothing to do with his ability.

Bradylama Jan 12, 2007 11:22 PM

You're some kind of troll, aren't you?


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